Caylee Marie Anthony #93 1/16/09 - 1/19/09

[crazybabyborg]

  @ Leroy!!

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[trimmonthelake]

I wonder what Casey is doing today?  It is beautiful and sunny here and she cant enjoy that.  Im going shoppingl later, can Casey, nup, she cant.  Im going to the park with Ella, Casey cant go with Caylee.   

She is seeing how many reese cups she can eat before trial date. 

I just saw something on the news about all of the salmonella-tainted peanut butter.  Hope poor Casey's cherished snack food is salmonella-free (or not )!

 

[ilovegoodies]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

[wendiw8780]

Hi Ms Sam, welcome to the cage! 

hello all!!!im new to the post.i enjoy reading all the post here,all very good ones!!!

Welcome ncbelle54 

Greetings All Monkeys!

Has anyone had any new word about this??

Quote:
Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Why, why, WHY do people keep trying to use sociopath and borderline interchangeably? They're nothing at all alike! Borderlines aren't consciousless killers, they're terrified of abandonment and have huge self-esteem issues. A Borderline in Casey's shoes wouldn't have taken Caylee and killed her, she'd have left Caylee with Cindy and killed herself, or gone on a bender.  Just because you get tired of someone's suicide attempts or pity parties doesn't mean they're evil or a killer! It really, really, bothers me.

Borderlines need re-parenting and DBT.  They feel guilt, shame, and remorse, and can learn to take responsibility. Sociopaths don't respond to that kind of treatment at all--they're just missing a piece. They don't feel embarrassment or guilt or even sorrow. The best they can do is mimic.

I can't stand it when people try to call Casey a "Borderline" personality. Cindy might be a Borderline. Lee might be. But not Casey. I understand that everyone hates their Borderline relatives and can't wait for them person to actually commit suicide instead of just making all those failed attempts or threats, all those crazy scenes that make the feared abandonment a certainty. But being a pain in the ass drama queen isn't the same thing as being a cold-blooded killer.

My husband committed suicide.  He sat in the living room, right in front of me, at 2:30 in the morning, loading a gun.  then he got up, walked out the front door, braced the butt of the gun against a tree and the barrel against his temple and fired.

I'm leaving now.

Gosh, I dont know what to say to you.  I always whine about my life, and have lost loved ones, but never in this way.  I am so sorry.

I just wanted to say I am very sorry to everyone who has lost someone to suicide. It will be 2 years this Valentine's day when my stepbrother commited suicide & I have to say, I have never had anything worse happen to my family. It leaves so many questions.

wendi

[no rose colored glasses]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

Sorry to hear that, I hope you feel better soon.

[Leroy]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

Dont think there will be doc dump today but I'm sure Nancy Grace will have more BOMBSHELLS tonight 

Feel better!!

[Sassycat]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

I hope you're feeling better soon!   

[joesamas mama]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

I hope you're feeling better soon!   

Where's the pizza kitty avatar?

[Sassycat]

Hugs Wendi.   

[trimmonthelake]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

Sorry you don't feel well.Now get get to bed Monkey.   

[Shy Monkey]

To those of you who have had a suicide, I'm so sorry for you.

But...having experienced a borderline/psycho/sociopath, I would have to agree with Fuzzball. The hell that this person put those around her through was unbelievable. It got to the point where I would pray to God for her to die. Car accident, eating her gun, whatever. I rationalized it by telling God (yeah, right, like He needs to have things explained to Him!) that the world would be a much safer place without her in it. I'm the kind of person who puts "awful things that have happened to me" in a file in my mind. The drawer to that file is locked, and I'm always losing the keys, so I can't (won't) give you details, but suffice it to say that what we went through was awful, and has left scars that will never heal.

Thankfully, this person is out of our sphere now, I don't know if she's dead or alive, but I hope she's dead.

So, I said all this to maybe tone down what Fuzz said.

i could never wish anyone dead just because they put me thru the wringer. i can understand the frustration with dealing with someone with bpd, but i can honestly say that all ive wished for them is some peace and self acceptance.

You are a better person than I. (you may quote me on that). My psycho never had any remorse, guilt, or desire to change. She was truly a bad seed. (Honestly, if someone killed themselves because of the psycho's treatment of them, could you really be so forgiving? I'm thinking that even if Sister Marie Ethel knew of this person and her actions, even Sister couldn't have forgiven her and Sister could forgive A LOT!)

well i was talking about bpd. i have a hard time sometimes with terms like 'psycho' because i dont know if the person is actually talking about a true psychopath or is using the slang derivative.

My thoughts and prayers to all those who lost someone through suicide or lived with someone suffering from mental illness.  My mother attempted suicide three times and my sister's grandson died from a self inflicted gun shot wound.  I would like to add something if I may.  None of us really know what kind of pain each of us have felt or how we respond to every situation.   My family and I have been through so much but I reacted different than my siblings.  I too have been mentally and physically worn down by someone who cared about themself and no one else.  We all have different strengths and weaknesses and therefore I feel that I can't judge everyone else on my own ruler. 

Please if we could give each other the benefit of the doubt and realize that until we have been through something, we cannot possibly understand and then who is to say which reaction is "normal"?

Monkey hugs to everyone and thank you for letting me be a part of this great forum.  The support and kindness here is wonderful.
 

[islandmonkey]

  I am so sorry for all the other monkey's losses, my heart and hugs go out to you {{{{{{:)}}}}

Sorry for the O/T~but I just had a prayer answered FINALLY

Bush Commutes Sentences Of Ex-Border Patrol AgentsOn his last full day in office, president responds to outcry and commutes sentences of two former Border Patrol agents imprisoned for shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005

[Leroy]

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[trimmonthelake]

Hugs to you Wendi.

[Sassycat]

Speedy - Monkey hugs to you, too!   

[Nut44x4]

[Fuzzball]

Heartfelt sympathy, honest, to all who have been left suffering from the tragedy of suicide.

Maybe we can use this to apply to some understanding of the Anthony dynamics. I've just had a refresher with the "shrink" in the clinic, and was trying to gain a bit of understanding as it would apply to Casey.

Personality disorders are on a continuim. On one extreme end is total dependency, and on the other extreme end is sociopathy or anti social. Borderline personality is toward the sociopathy but is actually named because it borders "normal" range. There are varying degrees of borderline depending where someone falls on the continuim.

Borderline Personalities have a sense of the rules, but don't have the ability to apply them to self. They use triangulation, and manipulation to interact with others and don't have the ability to directly interact. You'll typically find passive aggresive behavior as well. Someone with Borderline Personality may steal from a friend, but will rationalize the friend owed it to them. Borderline personalities will drive those who are around them crazy......please forgive the slang, but they are very, very, difficult to live with.

Sociopaths have a sense of entitlement and no sense of the rules. They simply think that rules do not apply to them. A sociopath would steal and rather than thinking the friend owes them, simply feels entitled to take because they want. There is no need to rationalize why they stole, because they are entitled to whatever they want. A sociopath is much easier to live with UNLESS the sociopath is directed AT YOU. Often serial killers are viewed as perfectly normal by family and friends and neighbors because their sociopathy was not directed at them.

Does that make sense?? I'm going to ask for a proof read before I post this............

I'm familiar with the way BPD's will rationalize things. My sister and I were both diagnosed as Borderline, before they corrected her diagnoses to NPD and mine to Bipolar.

Everybody loves sociopaths, except their immediate victims. The sociopath never needs reassuring, never brings you down. He's always smiling and he's always right, and he demands your unquestioning loyalty. If you don't trust him unconditionally, if you're not 100% loyal, if you have to think twice about what he's saying to you, well, he doesn't need that kind of crap. He'll go to his other adoring fans and they'll do exactly what he wants, because they KNOW a good thing when they see it.

Everyone HATES borderlines. They're tough to live with. They can rationalize almost anything. But they can actually be re-taught, re-conditioned out of it. And most of them are eager to change, because their lives are so miserable that they want to kill themselves about 1/3 of the time. They are very unhappy people who want help and don't know how to get it. Borderlines are made, not born. Sociopaths are born, not made.

Borderlines have a conscience. They have guilt. They have empathy. But they have been raised in environments with a narcissistic parent or an addictive component and they have been very carefully taught that they don't have a right to their feelings--ergo, nobody else has a right to their feelings either. They are unsure of the boundaries and the rules because the rules changed around them constantly as they grew up.

The girl I described whose family calmly ignored her suicide attempt was a Borderline. They have a very hard time understanding what the feelings of those around them really are, but it's not a matter of indifference, so much as it is confusion.

[theboyzmom]

To those of you who have had a suicide, I'm so sorry for you.

But...having experienced a borderline/psycho/sociopath, I would have to agree with Fuzzball. The hell that this person put those around her through was unbelievable. It got to the point where I would pray to God for her to die. Car accident, eating her gun, whatever. I rationalized it by telling God (yeah, right, like He needs to have things explained to Him!) that the world would be a much safer place without her in it. I'm the kind of person who puts "awful things that have happened to me" in a file in my mind. The drawer to that file is locked, and I'm always losing the keys, so I can't (won't) give you details, but suffice it to say that what we went through was awful, and has left scars that will never heal.

Thankfully, this person is out of our sphere now, I don't know if she's dead or alive, but I hope she's dead.

So, I said all this to maybe tone down what Fuzz said.

i could never wish anyone dead just because they put me thru the wringer. i can understand the frustration with dealing with someone with bpd, but i can honestly say that all ive wished for them is some peace and self acceptance.

You are a better person than I. (you may quote me on that). My psycho never had any remorse, guilt, or desire to change. She was truly a bad seed. (Honestly, if someone killed themselves because of the psycho's treatment of them, could you really be so forgiving? I'm thinking that even if Sister Marie Ethel knew of this person and her actions, even Sister couldn't have forgiven her and Sister could forgive A LOT!)

well i was talking about bpd. i have a hard time sometimes with terms like 'psycho' because i dont know if the person is actually talking about a true psychopath or is using the slang derivative.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Psychopath is the actual term to be used in this case. A psychopath who was so twisted and demented and manipulative, she was the direct cause of another's suicide. The suicide was depressed, and the psycho used that depression...

And this is such an unpleasant topic! I am truly sorry if I offended anyone, but I wanted you all to see all sides of the issue. I wanted you to know that psychopaths don't just kill with guns and drugs...they can use their illness to exacerbate other's illnesses...to a horrible end.

im so very sorry. you didnt offend me, i just get frustrated when borderline gets bandied about as if its interchangable with antisocial personality disorder. thats why i wanted clarification as to which you were referring to. i do agree psychopaths/sociopaths will use whatever means necessary to achieve their end goals.

I understand what Tevye is saying. I do not want to see anyone dead, but when dealing with a true severe BPD or Psychopath all you want is for it to end. I am at the point that I do not really care what happens to my Psycho one way or the other. I know that his death would cause pain but sometimes I believe that the pain would be less than dealing with this monster for the next 30 or more years. I know it sounds callus and unfeeling but unless you have been there it is hard to explain.

[trimmonthelake]

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[Sassycat]

hello monkeys. I am sorry for everyone's pain and loss. I am so sick I can hardly hold my head up but the cage called to me for a quick fix. No doc. dump cause of the holiday huh. I hope it comes soon and I hope it has some really good stuff

I hope you're feeling better soon!   

Where's the pizza kitty avatar?

     I'm switching around.   How are you doing today?