Caylee Marie Anthony #93 1/16/09 - 1/19/09

[trimmonthelake]

Heartfelt sympathy, honest, to all who have been left suffering from the tragedy of suicide.

Maybe we can use this to apply to some understanding of the Anthony dynamics. I've just had a refresher with the "shrink" in the clinic, and was trying to gain a bit of understanding as it would apply to Casey.

Personality disorders are on a continuim. On one extreme end is total dependency, and on the other extreme end is sociopathy or anti social. Borderline personality is toward the sociopathy but is actually named because it borders "normal" range. There are varying degrees of borderline depending where someone falls on the continuim.

Borderline Personalities have a sense of the rules, but don't have the ability to apply them to self. They use triangulation, and manipulation to interact with others and don't have the ability to directly interact. You'll typically find passive aggresive behavior as well. Someone with Borderline Personality may steal from a friend, but will rationalize the friend owed it to them. Borderline personalities will drive those who are around them crazy......please forgive the slang, but they are very, very, difficult to live with.

Sociopaths have a sense of entitlement and no sense of the rules. They simply think that rules do not apply to them. A sociopath would steal and rather than thinking the friend owes them, simply feels entitled to take because they want. There is no need to rationalize why they stole, because they are entitled to whatever they want. A sociopath is much easier to live with UNLESS the sociopath is directed AT YOU. Often serial killers are viewed as perfectly normal by family and friends and neighbors because their sociopathy was not directed at them.

Does that make sense?? I'm going to ask for a proof read before I post this............

[trimmonthelake]

CBB. Forgot to post. Thanks for making that easier to understand.

[peanut]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

amen. she knew what she was doing and just didnt give a damn.

[Lovinlife]

I've got your back Leroy.  I know how work unfortunately interferes with ones monkey business!

[ISpy]

In the early interviews with LE regarding the nanny taking Caylee, Casey makes a statement that she went to a "neutral" place when the nanny didn't show up.  I've always thought that was odd. Does anyone have thoughts on where this neutral place was?

Remember the teory that KC always hides a little truth in what she says?  What if her "neutral" place is the spot in the woods where she & Kiomarie hung out when they were younger?  Maybe when Kc made her police statement that she took Caylee to the Nanny the morning of June 16th, she meant she gave her Zanax or chloroform and killed her.  Perhaps she disposed of the body in the woods "when she went to her neutral place" that evening. Then she drove on to Tony's for the evening, rented a few movies, and hung out.  Mmh...heartless.

BTW, good afternoon fellow Monkeys!  Passing by on my way to work and trying to keep up. 

[Russ]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

Personality disorders are never an excuse.  They might bring insight and understanding, but it will not prevent her from being prosecuted in a criminal trial.  Mental illness is even tough to use as an excuse.  She is not mentally ill, but afflicted with a sociopath/psychopathic malfunction and she should be put away to protect society.

[crazybabyborg]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

  I would add only this:

AND SHE'S GOING DOWN FOR IT!!!!

[Leroy]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

amen. she knew what she was doing and just didnt give a damn.

yea, I dont think selfishness and jealousy are necessarily *disorders*.  She is a scum bag baby killer and I pray that she gets put in general population - the other inmates will have their way with her and it wont take long before she would become someones......well you get my drift!

All my opinion of course    

[Sassycat]

Mtnmom -  I'm sorry for all the pain you've endured, also.   Hugs to you, too.   

I think we all have to be sensitive to each other's feelings and realize that we just don't know what others have gone through in their lives.   

 

[Leroy]

I've got your back Leroy.  I know how work unfortunately interferes with ones monkey business!

Thanks Lovin!!  It is much appreciated!

[Russ]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

amen. she knew what she was doing and just didnt give a damn.

Mental illness can be corrected in a lot of cases via medication.  Psychopaths and sociopaths line the halls and cells of prison systems.  They cannot be "fixed".  imo.

yea, I dont think selfishness and jealousy are necessarily *disorders*.  She is a scum bag baby killer and I pray that she gets put in general population - the other inmates will have their way with her and it wont take long before she would become someones......well you get my drift!

All my opinion of course    

[Russ]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

amen. she knew what she was doing and just didnt give a damn.

yea, I dont think selfishness and jealousy are necessarily *disorders*.  She is a scum bag baby killer and I pray that she gets put in general population - the other inmates will have their way with her and it wont take long before she would become someones......well you get my drift!

All my opinion of course    

Mental illness can be corrected in a lot of cases via medication.  Psychopaths and sociopaths line the halls and cells of prison systems.  They cannot be "fixed".  imo.


Screwed up my quote previously.  I agree btw.

[Sassycat]

CBB. Forgot to post. Thanks for making that easier to understand.

Thanks from me too, CBB.     

[NO1ZMONKEY]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!   KLAAS Thats the same conclusion I reach every night. BTW . I would like to know, did she ever say how old "nanny" was? TIA

[joesamas mama]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!   KLAAS Thats the same conclusion I reach every night. BTW . I would like to know, did she ever say how old "nanny" was? TIA

25  I think

[peanut]

IMO, bottom line is Casey Anthony is a slore who killed her baby.  I don't beleive she has any personality disorder that would get her off murder charges nor the death penalty.

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!   KLAAS Thats the same conclusion I reach every night. BTW . I would like to know, did she ever say how old "nanny" was? TIA

morning! she claimed zanny was 25.

[Fuzzball]

To those of you who have had a suicide, I'm so sorry for you.

But...having experienced a borderline/psycho/sociopath, I would have to agree with Fuzzball. The hell that this person put those around her through was unbelievable. It got to the point where I would pray to God for her to die. Car accident, eating her gun, whatever. I rationalized it by telling God (yeah, right, like He needs to have things explained to Him!) that the world would be a much safer place without her in it. I'm the kind of person who puts "awful things that have happened to me" in a file in my mind. The drawer to that file is locked, and I'm always losing the keys, so I can't (won't) give you details, but suffice it to say that what we went through was awful, and has left scars that will never heal.

Thankfully, this person is out of our sphere now, I don't know if she's dead or alive, but I hope she's dead.

So, I said all this to maybe tone down what Fuzz said.

i could never wish anyone dead just because they put me thru the wringer. i can understand the frustration with dealing with someone with bpd, but i can honestly say that all ive wished for them is some peace and self acceptance.

You are a better person than I. (you may quote me on that). My psycho never had any remorse, guilt, or desire to change. She was truly a bad seed. (Honestly, if someone killed themselves because of the psycho's treatment of them, could you really be so forgiving? I'm thinking that even if Sister Marie Ethel knew of this person and her actions, even Sister couldn't have forgiven her and Sister could forgive A LOT!)

well i was talking about bpd. i have a hard time sometimes with terms like 'psycho' because i dont know if the person is actually talking about a true psychopath or is using the slang derivative.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Psychopath is the actual term to be used in this case. A psychopath who was so twisted and demented and manipulative, she was the direct cause of another's suicide. The suicide was depressed, and the psycho used that depression...

And this is such an unpleasant topic! I am truly sorry if I offended anyone, but I wanted you all to see all sides of the issue. I wanted you to know that psychopaths don't just kill with guns and drugs...they can use their illness to exacerbate other's illnesses...to a horrible end.

im so very sorry. you didnt offend me, i just get frustrated when borderline gets bandied about as if its interchangable with antisocial personality disorder. thats why i wanted clarification as to which you were referring to. i do agree psychopaths/sociopaths will use whatever means necessary to achieve their end goals.

Peanut, Hudsunn, Tevye, 

Hudsunn, you nailed it. I'm Borderline, or at least diagnosed as one. When people interchange "sociopath" and "Borderline" it both angers and scares me. I have enough problems as a borderline, without people also thinking I'm a sociopath! It really hurts when I see BPD confused with sociopathy, and I think some people who want to say Casey is BPD are saying it just because they know some BPD they hate.

I am sorry that some survivors of suicides took what I said so personally. This wasn't about them. I guess they saw the word suicide and nothing else. They just totally ignored that "BPD friend or relative" part.

As someone who's been suicidal in the past, I know that at those times it was incomprehensible to me that someone else would be hurt by my death. They all seemed to want it, as far as I could tell. My family never reacted to it in any way. Never showed any emotion, never suggested that maybe I had something to live for or that they'd miss me. Maybe they were truly indifferent, or maybe they thought "tough love" would cure me. But I find it hard to imagine that if I died, they'd even wonder where I went, and I've felt that way since I was 10. I have to love them anyway and I do. They're not evil--they care about babies and fuzzy kittens and flowers and each other. They just don't care all that much about me. I think at 5 I still had a little of that, "they'll be sorry" thing going on, but I was over it by age 9.

As for the friends, some of them did show caring and concern, but that scared me even more, because I figured it was only superficial, "put on," and that underneath they were really as indifferent as my family, and it would only take me having a few bad days, and they'd totally get over pretending otherwise.

I'm most sad for Sam, wherever she is. I can't believe she would take what I said about peoples' attitudes about borderlines and apply it to her life--did she think her husband had been BPD? It doesn't sound like her husband was BPD. It doesn't even sound like they had an ongoing conversation about his suicidal feelings. It sounds like she was bereaved in a terrible, sudden, shocking way, and I wish it hadn't happened.

I'm still shaking a little from what she said, and I really hope she's okay.

[Mtnmom]

Mtnmom -  I'm sorry for all the pain you've endured, also.   Hugs to you, too.   

I think we all have to be sensitive to each other's feelings and realize that we just don't know what others have gone through in their lives.   

 

Thanks Sassycat. 
We just never know if typing something might open a Pandoras Box.  We are a great  caring bunch of monkeys and learning alot from each other. Im thankful for you all.

[Tevye]

I am so sorry for all the other monkey's losses, my heart and hugs go out to you {{{{{{:)}}}}

Sorry for the O/T~but I just had a prayer answered FINALLY

Bush Commutes Sentences Of Ex-Border Patrol AgentsOn his last full day in office, president responds to outcry and commutes sentences of two former Border Patrol agents imprisoned for shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005

Hooray!!

[always 1]

Why am I the invisible one today???  Are we on rotation???  I know I already had my turn this month.  Come on guys.