Caylee Marie Anthony #94 1/19/09 - 1/21/09

[Deenie]

I was reading here this afternoon and I know that we all have had losses on our lives.
.
I think that is what draws us here. Some off the cuff posts did sound not quite right.
I have done so myself, forgetting about some of the tradgedies in my own family.
We had what I would call a suicide of a cousin. We all saw it coming. Or we saw something bad happening to her. There had been a series of losses for her beginning with her soon to be ex hubby going on a vacation with his soon to be new wife. A divorce and a new beginning. The new beginning turned sour when she over extended herself physically and money wise. She started to go downhill, sleeping alot, ignoring the business. Went on for a couple of years. Denied she was in trouble. Stated taking OTC to sleep, pain meds. She would rally for a while, then relapse. My Dad was getting her the meds. Going and picking them up. I saw the shopping list one day and told him he was just helping her avoid the problem. We all begged her to go somewhere and get help.
I rounded up a mental heath place that was going to make a house call, but she wouldn't answer the door. Everyone did everything they could think of. We did look into a committment order, but her mother didn't think it had gone that far.
One day, she just didn't wake up. She was taken to the hospital in a coma and my Dad made the decision to pull the plug after consulting everyone. By this time, her mum was a basket case and was just concerned about getting her next drink. The cause of death was listed as a toxic level of drugs, not a suicide, just a toxic level that had shut her kidneys down. She was a beautiful person, she was only 39.
We fought in our family and did the coulda woulda shoulda and the blame thing.
It left us all feeling like we failed her, yet we really did everything we could think of, each and almost every one of us. We were never the same afterwards. I could not speak to her mother for years. In fact, I did not speak to her and she passed with me still feeling that SHE could have done something. It still haunts me when someone's name is the same or when I hear family members struggling with the same types of issues in their family.
When I hear people say well, you should do this, or you should have done that, or making a diagnosis on line, well, it brings it all back. We did everything we could and there was no shortage of money, people or resources to help her, but she didn't want the meddling in her life and would not even discuss it.
We did fail, but we did everything we could think of, yet the feeling that we failed this wonderful person lingers. And why wouldn't she listen to us, we only wanted the best for her. 
Sometimes we can do nothing to help the people close to us, no matter how much we want to or love them.
I am sorry for being O/T.
But maybe George and Cindy were in the same place, between that rock and a hard place after Caylee was born and before it came to the awful end.     
 

Kat Gram that was an Awesome Post
But I think your giving the Ant's too much Credit - because I think they actually enjoyed living and leading the life that they created for each other. Jmo -
Still an Awesome Post

I wanted to add to all - that posted in the End of the Last Cage that I recognize that WE have all found " Family Here" at Scared Monkeys and ... We can fall off of Caylee and state things that are really important and needed to be said. Things of our Personal lives are emotionally triggered by this Case, by other Monkeys postings etc ...

I think though for Some Monkeys who cannot express their own personals so openly become painfully afflicted by reading others personal happenings .. Its not expected in the Caylee Cage ..

I feel that if a Monkey/Monkey's wants to Express such personal things that they should go off into another forum and have a group talk and embrace each other. Some people are not strong enough to face things that are of their past and or lives period, and it goes without saying that it can trigger huge emotions ..that otherwise would not have been ... if it were taken out of the room... I am just sharing my thoughts. My deepest respect for those who are willing to share ..but its unexpected to read such things..if your only here for Caylee.. 
I adore you all ... I just had to say my peace too ......... 

Deenie, I hate to say this but I totally disagree.

The reason these people were telling their stories about suicide had to do with a post made by Fuzzball. I don't know how to go to the other thread and bring it over here, but she basically said people that have family members with the BPD wish that said family member would commit suicide because the family was sick of dealing with the BPD sufferer.

The Monkeys that were offended were offended rightly so. Her post pissed me off and I have never been affected by suicide. I thought it was a cold post. She came back later after being called out on it and had an explanation.

I don't think anyone would have brought up their family history if Fuzzball hadn't opened old wounds up to begin with. No one ever tells Fuzzball to go to another forum to get her family's baggage off her chest.

JMO JSM

Peace Out

Not Hurting My Feelings
Peace Out

[Wyks]

Would someone  please tell us what's going on on NG? What about the search warrants? What were they looking for?

I love your avatar Sunny!   

[mytime]

Good night to all who are leaving...I am right behind you.....peace....

Hi Sunny - nice to see you again!!  Hope you are keeping warm!!

[Blink34]

Rereading statements and came across Jamie Relander's that may add to Blink's front page post:

YM: Okay. Is there anything else about Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony or about  this, I guess the whole incident I haven't asked you about you think might be important or you wanted to share?

JR: Uhm, I really don't know as much as maybe other people would have. And the only times I hung out with her were really at Fusion. I don't really recall actually seeing her out of Fusion. I was suppose to hang out with her one night out of Fusion.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: Which she uhm, not that you bring to my attention, she did call me and say she couldn't hang out. She was with another friend in downtown. She had just
gotten a speeding ticket and that she uhm, she said she was just going to stay in
Orlando if we wanted to drive out there. And...

YM: And the re...the reason she didn't hang out was because she had just gotten a  speeding ticket?

JR: Right. She was in Orlando. She had to run with a friend to Orlando.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: We live out in G...Oviedo.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: And so she was like well, she was going to pick us up. She said, "NO, well we're just going to hang out in Orlando." And then later when I called that night to see what she was doing and uhm, or, no, not that night. The next morning I called her to see how she was and she said that she was uhm, she had just gotten really drunk and I guess she got really sick and that was pretty much it. So that,  that's probably the only time that I actually remember her drinking.

Now, this could just be Casey using a ticket as an excuse because she found something better to do...but Jamie states Casey was with a friend and got a ticket.  Made me think of Blink's post.  When asked by Yuri what is the timeframe this happened, she can't be specific, but thinks its in June.

Guidepost, monkeykisses to you

I thought about putting that in the piece, but at the time, I wanted to link it to what I thought was a text message out there referencing this as well, and well, I just forgot to go back to it.

I agree that it fits, and thank you for posting it. Awesome sleuthing Guideposts!  

[Mtnmom]

Nite Monkeys.Sea it's good to see you here.Hope you feel better.


Sorry if any of my posts earlier today have offended anybody.
Later. 

goodnight Trimm

[blurrymonkey]

ok, i will keep posting 'cause i feel soooo alone in here right now. (watching JVM too) does anyone else feel like, IF the A's would have come out in the beginnig & say, something like. we don't know what happened to our granddaughter, BUT "we will stand by our daughter" or something like that, we (the public) would have some sympanthy or more sympathy for the grandparent's i just think at least that way, at least they did something honest. sorry if this doesn't make sense, but do you know what i mean. i think, i would at least had a LITTLE respect for them. even though i think they should have done something a long time ago & KC may still be alive. i, & this is probably wrong, but i blame the grandparents just as much as KC!!!!!  jmo.

wendi

Wendi, I'm not watching that but yes, I truly believe if they had done something a long time ago, Caylee would be alive today. They knew KC lied about a babysitter, George even knew she had no job. IDK, I have been on the side of having a crazy brother/gf, thank God they have no children. But I will say one thing about them, they took care of their dog while they were living in their truck. He got fed before they would eat. Luckily they have both turned their crazy butts around and are productive citizens. I thank God every night for that!

JSM, I am really lost.  Lee and Mallory were living in their truck?  I read something earlier about George kicking Lee out when he moved back in?  Somemonkey HELP!!! 

[Deenie]

Good night monkeys. If anyone read my post to Deenie, please don't be offended and please Deenie don't take what I said personally.

Peace out monkeys. JSM

your Ok ... Me is ok  ... K

[mytime]

Rereading statements and came across Jamie Relander's that may add to Blink's front page post:

YM: Okay. Is there anything else about Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony or about  this, I guess the whole incident I haven't asked you about you think might be important or you wanted to share?

JR: Uhm, I really don't know as much as maybe other people would have. And the only times I hung out with her were really at Fusion. I don't really recall actually seeing her out of Fusion. I was suppose to hang out with her one night out of Fusion.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: Which she uhm, not that you bring to my attention, she did call me and say she couldn't hang out. She was with another friend in downtown. She had just
gotten a speeding ticket and that she uhm, she said she was just going to stay in
Orlando if we wanted to drive out there. And...

YM: And the re...the reason she didn't hang out was because she had just gotten a  speeding ticket?

JR: Right. She was in Orlando. She had to run with a friend to Orlando.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: We live out in G...Oviedo.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)

JR: And so she was like well, she was going to pick us up. She said, "NO, well we're just going to hang out in Orlando." And then later when I called that night to see what she was doing and uhm, or, no, not that night. The next morning I called her to see how she was and she said that she was uhm, she had just gotten really drunk and I guess she got really sick and that was pretty much it. So that,  that's probably the only time that I actually remember her drinking.

Now, this could just be Casey using a ticket as an excuse because she found something better to do...but Jamie states Casey was with a friend and got a ticket.  Made me think of Blink's post.  When asked by Yuri what is the timeframe this happened, she can't be specific, but thinks its in June.

Hi Guideposts, Nice seeing you again.  I wish you would post more!  Would love to pick your brain!!  LOL

[Deenie]

Foggy Dew

I'm glad to See U ... I did read what you just wrote ... 

I just wanted to say HI I look for you ... I seem to miss u when your online lately

[zoeandme]

On NG - Seems like too - when Ever a REAL important Question is about to be answered by a "person that is not a regular guest"  a Real Professional .........they start that DANG music and they know they are about to be cut off to go to commercial ......
Then that Person has to squander ever second to get their point across ....... and then its what onto ... JITTERBUG ... oh how I hate that commercial 
now I am laughing at myself .......but its SOO True.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::OMG...I'm a little behind reading here tonight, but just had to say  I am laughing my head off.....jitterbug annoys the heck outa me too!  And I agree...Nancy's bombshells are nothing we don't know already!  As for her silly callers, I remember one called Sheeba that kept getting thru night after night there for a while.  Not sure what that was about.  Most callers are waaayyyyy behind on the details of the case.  If I hear one more ask who the father is......

[guideposts]

TV Guy

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/casey-anthony-1.html

It was an opening to the 6 p.m. news you wouldn't forget. The Casey Anthony case was the story Monday, and WFTV-Channel 9 anchor Bob Opsahl trumpeted the headline.

"Right now, you're the first to hear a stunning new development in the case against Casey," Opsahl said. "We uncovered bold new allegations that secret entertainment deals could be helping to pay for Casey's defense."

The big story: Could Casey's attorney Jose Baez be removed from the case because of a conflict of interest?

Reporter Mary Nguyen said Baez's spokesman, Todd Black, denied the allegations, yet added that Baez had brokered some deals on licensing fees.

The following came from WS, probably back in Oct.-Nov.  A VERY good sleuther posted this......

"Todd Black, in an early BB press release referenced a non-active/non-existant PR firm called AIM Productions in Nashville. Other employees/businesses at that same address show a Neal Pond, VP of Country Weekly Magaine, owned by American Media, Inc. a privately held company that owns The National Enquirer, Globe and Star magazines."

PERHAPS this is who the deal is with.

[blurrymonkey]

Hey everyone, am moving this week into my own apt, and was packing all afternoon.  And WOW!!  Just staggering in from catching up on the last thread.. 

Monken, Perri, and NoRose CG, I read what you wrote to me, thank you so much. 

My heart goes out to all our monkey family who have lost loved ones thru any means, and to those struggling in life.  Janetruth, if you are reading here, am hoping you come back in and post.  And to those who have perhaps pulled back from posting, please come back too, we need you in here as well.     

I think we could all use a big group monkey hug:

OMG, the little monkey peeking out!

Monkey hugs back and all around the cage. 

The feeling I get in this forum is that lil monkey peeking out represents all our more fragile monkeys.  We care about and protect each other in here.   

ITA.  And I think who the more fragile monkeys are can depend on the days and the circumstances.  Sometimes the seemingly stronger ones need to be the little protected one for a bit. 

[Sea Searcher]

I dislike the ANT family just as much as anyone here, but the time to get help for Casey would have been before she was 18, when they had some legal control. After that, they should have made a move ( lock her out, whatever )  to protect Caylee. 
I am sorry for the rant, been saving it up. I do feel like yelling at them still sometimes, but none of them are here any more. I just try to not be a know it all when it comes to what other ppl at my work / around here in real life or whatever should do in their own families. I just have to remember what we went through and what it did to us. 
Sometimes, there is no right thing that can be done.

My husband and I sought custody of his 2 children.  After a very long emotionally and financially drawn out battle, we finally prevailed!  Florida and in most states - want bio moms and children to remain united.  IMO, from our experience, the Anthony's had very little chance of getting custody.

I agree with you mytime...it takes an enormous amount of "provable" evidence of negelect and abuse, for the state to remove a child parental rights..especially a mother's..even then it's a long hard battle which has only a small chance of being won. Unfortunately, most of the child abuse that takes place is behind closed doors and when out in public, the mothers act completely different....the abuse is most often never seen until something catastrophic takes place.. I don't think G & C would have gotten custody based on what we've heard of KC's "public presentation" parenting skills..we've heard nothing but good things from KC's friends 

[joesamas mama]

Nite Monkeys.Sea it's good to see you here.Hope you feel better.


Sorry if any of my posts earlier today have offended anybody.
Later. 

Nite Trimm, Hugs to the digger dog

[Deenie]

On NG - Seems like too - when Ever a REAL important Question is about to be answered by a "person that is not a regular guest"  a Real Professional .........they start that DANG music and they know they are about to be cut off to go to commercial ......
Then that Person has to squander ever second to get their point across ....... and then its what onto ... JITTERBUG ... oh how I hate that commercial 
now I am laughing at myself .......but its SOO True.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::OMG...I'm a little behind reading here tonight, but just had to say  I am laughing my head off.....jitterbug annoys the heck outa me too!  And I agree...Nancy's bombshells are nothing we don't know already!  As for her silly callers, I remember one called Sheeba that kept getting thru night after night there for a while.  Not sure what that was about.  Most callers are waaayyyyy behind on the details of the case.  If I hear one more ask who the father is......

You are Sooo Right and Yes Ms Sheba certainly does get in quite frequently ..on the Caller Line .. I think she is a real person .. yet Hmm just makes you wonder though how many of the callers are Real .. Mmmm I dunno.

[theboyzmom]

There is a show on TV called "Intervention" which portrays Casey (the girl's name is even Casie)very closely. Her behaviors, her men, her drug use, etc.  I have always said she was using drugs and alcohol and as I watch this show, I am even more convinced.  

OMG - my hubby just said the same thing - "Which Casey are they talking about?"  - she is just as selfish and sloreish as KC is!

[Deenie]

Nite Monkeys.Sea it's good to see you here.Hope you feel better.


Sorry if any of my posts earlier today have offended anybody.
Later. 

Nite Trimm, Hugs to the digger dog

No Worries .. No worries

[Garden Gnome]

I was reading here this afternoon and I know that we all have had losses on our lives.
.
I think that is what draws us here. Some off the cuff posts did sound not quite right.
I have done so myself, forgetting about some of the tradgedies in my own family.
We had what I would call a suicide of a cousin. We all saw it coming. Or we saw something bad happening to her. There had been a series of losses for her beginning with her soon to be ex hubby going on a vacation with his soon to be new wife. A divorce and a new beginning. The new beginning turned sour when she over extended herself physically and money wise. She started to go downhill, sleeping alot, ignoring the business. Went on for a couple of years. Denied she was in trouble. Stated taking OTC to sleep, pain meds. She would rally for a while, then relapse. My Dad was getting her the meds. Going and picking them up. I saw the shopping list one day and told him he was just helping her avoid the problem. We all begged her to go somewhere and get help.
I rounded up a mental heath place that was going to make a house call, but she wouldn't answer the door. Everyone did everything they could think of. We did look into a committment order, but her mother didn't think it had gone that far.
One day, she just didn't wake up. She was taken to the hospital in a coma and my Dad made the decision to pull the plug after consulting everyone. By this time, her mum was a basket case and was just concerned about getting her next drink. The cause of death was listed as a toxic level of drugs, not a suicide, just a toxic level that had shut her kidneys down. She was a beautiful person, she was only 39.
We fought in our family and did the coulda woulda shoulda and the blame thing.
It left us all feeling like we failed her, yet we really did everything we could think of, each and almost every one of us. We were never the same afterwards. I could not speak to her mother for years. In fact, I did not speak to her and she passed with me still feeling that SHE could have done something. It still haunts me when someone's name is the same or when I hear family members struggling with the same types of issues in their family.
When I hear people say well, you should do this, or you should have done that, or making a diagnosis on line, well, it brings it all back. We did everything we could and there was no shortage of money, people or resources to help her, but she didn't want the meddling in her life and would not even discuss it.
We did fail, but we did everything we could think of, yet the feeling that we failed this wonderful person lingers. And why wouldn't she listen to us, we only wanted the best for her. 
Sometimes we can do nothing to help the people close to us, no matter how much we want to or love them.
I am sorry for being O/T.
But maybe George and Cindy were in the same place, between that rock and a hard place after Caylee was born and before it came to the awful end.     
 

Kat Gram that was an Awesome Post
But I think your giving the Ant's too much Credit - because I think they actually enjoyed living and leading the life that they created for each other. Jmo -
Still an Awesome Post

I wanted to add to all - that posted in the End of the Last Cage that I recognize that WE have all found " Family Here" at Scared Monkeys and ... We can fall off of Caylee and state things that are really important and needed to be said. Things of our Personal lives are emotionally triggered by this Case, by other Monkeys postings etc ...

I think though for Some Monkeys who cannot express their own personals so openly become painfully afflicted by reading others personal happenings .. Its not expected in the Caylee Cage ..

I feel that if a Monkey/Monkey's wants to Express such personal things that they should go off into another forum and have a group talk and embrace each other. Some people are not strong enough to face things that are of their past and or lives period, and it goes without saying that it can trigger huge emotions ..that otherwise would not have been ... if it were taken out of the room... I am just sharing my thoughts. My deepest respect for those who are willing to share ..but its unexpected to read such things..if your only here for Caylee.. 
I adore you all ... I just had to say my peace too ......... 

Deenie, I hate to say this but I totally disagree.

The reason these people were telling their stories about suicide had to do with a post made by Fuzzball. I don't know how to go to the other thread and bring it over here, but she basically said people that have family members with the BPD wish that said family member would commit suicide because the family was sick of dealing with the BPD sufferer.

The Monkeys that were offended were offended rightly so. Her post pissed me off and I have never been affected by suicide. I thought it was a cold post. She came back later after being called out on it and had an explanation.

I don't think anyone would have brought up their family history if Fuzzball hadn't opened old wounds up to begin with. No one ever tells Fuzzball to go to another forum to get her family's baggage off her chest.

JMO JSM

Peace Out

Thank you.  You are exactly right.  I never would have posted what I said just for the hell of it.  Sorry it upset some posters but I could not let those comments go by.

[Deenie]

Hey everyone, am moving this week into my own apt, and was packing all afternoon.  And WOW!!  Just staggering in from catching up on the last thread.. 

Monken, Perri, and NoRose CG, I read what you wrote to me, thank you so much. 

My heart goes out to all our monkey family who have lost loved ones thru any means, and to those struggling in life.  Janetruth, if you are reading here, am hoping you come back in and post.  And to those who have perhaps pulled back from posting, please come back too, we need you in here as well.     

I think we could all use a big group monkey hug:

OMG, the little monkey peeking out!

Monkey hugs back and all around the cage. 

The feeling I get in this forum is that lil monkey peeking out represents all our more fragile monkeys.  We care about and protect each other in here.   

ITA.  And I think who the more fragile monkeys are can depend on the days and the circumstances.  Sometimes the seemingly stronger ones need to be the little protected one for a bit. 

Blurry is 

[Wyks]

Good night monkeys. If anyone read my post to Deenie, please don't be offended and please Deenie don't take what I said personally.

Peace out monkeys. JSM