Biological Weapons

[jjayinthemorning]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/02/TNSkimmitt070227/
"Al-Qaida and its allies are trying to attain weapons of mass destruction, Kimmitt said. “We’re talking chemical weapons, we’re talking biological weapons, we’re talking probable fissile material for a dirty bomb,” he said. “One should be absolutely certain that if [al-Qaida head Osama bin Laden] gets his hands on them that he will use them.”

We now know that there has been an outbreak in an AQ camp in Northern Africa who has direct routes to the Taliban. It's just a matter of time before biologicals are used on non-muslims.
Seems to me that there's an outbreak of smallpox in Gaza but I hope not.

[jjayinthemorning]

This week the black plague has hit AQLIM, Maghreb, previously known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat is an Islamic militia which aims to overthrow the Algerian government and institute and Islamic state, is currently enganed in an insurgent campaign.

It is not known how or where they got it. If it was an accident or they are infecting themselves to be weapons or if they were attacked by another force.

[jjayinthemorning]

There is believed to be 1,000 terrorists attached to the camp where the outbreak took place, with many reported fleeing to other camps, potentially spreading the disease.

You can be sure that these 1000 are now attempting to use their acquired weapon to kill as many non-muslims as they can instead of going to go find a quiet place to treat their disease or die.

If this is indeed this reaches the US as a biological attack how will we retaliate?

[WhiskeyGirl]

JJ,

Where do you find this information?  I'm not sure I'd want to read there, I think the world is ALREADY scary.

I think there are enough toxic places all over the globe to destroy everything on the planet.  Chemicals, nuclear, poison the water, rain, etc.

It is a miracle from the almighty that humanity has survived all these years.

[caesu]

i think you would love the series 24.

[jjayinthemorning]

The story about the biologicals came from drudgereport.com
Connecting the dots comes from years of studying terrorism.

www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org has some good publications that are analyzed by someone who spent time among the muhajadine and personally knows terrorism, how to fight it and the cause.

24 is a fiction that isn't even close to reality. Except for the nuke going off in LA.

[jjayinthemorning]

This is interesting.

The 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack was the food poisoning of more than 750 individuals in The Dalles, Oregon, United States through the contamination of salad bars at ten local restaurants with salmonella. A leading group of followers of Osho, then known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, had hoped to incapacitate the voting population of the city so that their own candidates would win the 1984 Wasco County elections
Seven hundred and fifty-one people contracted salmonellosis as a result of the attack, of whom 45 were hospitalized. There were no fatalities. Although an initial investigation by the Oregon Public Health Division and the Centers for Disease Control did not rule out deliberate contamination, the actual source of the contamination was only discovered a year later. On February 28, 1985, Congressman James H. Weaver gave a speech in the United States House of Representatives in which he "accused the Rajneeshees of sprinkling salmonella culture on salad bar ingredients in eight restaurants".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack   

I'm looking for dates related to bioterrorism.
Seems that 911, 1948 was the last case of smallpox (supposedly)
7/7 is the medication regiment for AIDS
Both smallpox vaccine and AIDS are thought the be Western biologicals that would constitute and attack by us and justify defensive measures.

[WhiskeyGirl]

This is interesting.

The 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack was the food poisoning of more than 750 individuals in The Dalles, Oregon, United States through the contamination of salad bars at ten local restaurants with salmonella. A leading group of followers of Osho, then known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, had hoped to incapacitate the voting population of the city so that their own candidates would win the 1984 Wasco County elections
Seven hundred and fifty-one people contracted salmonellosis as a result of the attack, of whom 45 were hospitalized. There were no fatalities. Although an initial investigation by the Oregon Public Health Division and the Centers for Disease Control did not rule out deliberate contamination, the actual source of the contamination was only discovered a year later. On February 28, 1985, Congressman James H. Weaver gave a speech in the United States House of Representatives in which he "accused the Rajneeshees of sprinkling salmonella culture on salad bar ingredients in eight restaurants".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack   

I'm looking for dates related to bioterrorism.
Seems that 911, 1948 was the last case of smallpox (supposedly)
7/7 is the medication regiment for AIDS
Both smallpox vaccine and AIDS are thought the be Western biologicals that would constitute and attack by us and justify defensive measures.

I think bioterrorism would be very easy to do.

As an example, look at the milk powder, protein, and melamime poisoning the Chinese (and globe) has dealt with the several years.

I worked with a woman more than five years ago lost all three of her dogs in one month.  The first was old and had sudden kidney failure.  The vet said the others died unrelated deaths, one to old age, and other other to mourning - no autopsy.  I suggested she throw away her unused dog food as in my mind, it was suspect, before getting any more dogs.  The vet didn't think the food was a problem, it was a 'premium' brand.  After the dog food scare, her dogs came to mind. 

Long ago, I read that 'mass production also means mass contamination' - I agree.

It wouldn't take much effort by any one person to affect many.  Not much any of those affected can do after the fact, or when they are dead. 

Another thing that comes to mind are the sick Americans that came home after the original Desert Storm.  IIRC, many of their families became sick when the family member returned.  Odd problems, not pre-existing.  I haven't seen much in the news and I wonder if all those folks are dead, sick, and the illnesses remain unsolved and a mystery.   IIRC, many felt that these folks were victims of biologicals or poisoning due to oil fires or exposure to oil based contamination.

I also read or heard on the radio that cancer is increasing at an alarming rate and reducing life spans.  Biologic terrorists are all around us.  They are the people that throw toxic things in the garbage bag on garbage day, people at corporations that skirt regulations, and people in places that look the other way when mega-corporation pollute the land, air, and water.

They are people that have the intention to kill just a few or many.  I'm not sure they are in one database, those in charge would probably be politically motived and the results suspect.

jmho

[jjayinthemorning]

What happens next, in the following few weeks, is Iran and Syria will increase shipments of weapons to Hamas and Israel will blast Gaza again. It won't be long until Iran releases sleeper cells into the US.

[jjayinthemorning]

I think bioterrorism would be very easy to do.

As an example, look at the milk powder, protein, and melamime poisoning the Chinese (and globe) has dealt with the several years.

Yes, bioterrorism is easy but the US has many healthy people, disadvantage to terrorists.

There is a difference between agri-terrorism and biological and chemical. Agri is poisoning food and crops, chemical is serin and mustard gas and ricin. Bio terrorism is disease. I'm not even sure if anthrax is biological, I think it's chemical.

[caesu]

I think bioterrorism would be very easy to do.

As an example, look at the milk powder, protein, and melamime poisoning the Chinese (and globe) has dealt with the several years.

Yes, bioterrorism is easy but the US has many healthy people, disadvantage to terrorists. 

but a very high amount of very fat people. not healthy at all.

and anthrax is biological by the way.

[caesu]

It won't be long until Iran releases sleeper cells into the US.

maybe alert the authorities about this.

[WhiskeyGirl]

It won't be long until Iran releases sleeper cells into the US.

maybe alert the authorities about this.

I expect they've been here for years, sleeping, just need to be activated.  I seem to recall this is how it worked in the past.

The individual cell appears to be integrated and then abandons it's everyday life for acts of terror.

I'm not sure how anyone would identify these folks, they seem to adapt and stay one step ahead of authorities.

(Sleeper cells of many races, ethnic backgrounds, nations, etc.)

imho

[jjayinthemorning]

It won't be long until Iran releases sleeper cells into the US.

maybe alert the authorities about this.

Heh. The authorities already know.

There was a case of ebola in the US yesterday. From a trip to Uganda.

[WhiskeyGirl]

(Wheat Ridge, CO)  --  An Ebola-like virus made its way to the U.S. for the first time last year.
   The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says a Colorado hospital treated an unidentified patient for Marburg hemorrhagic fever in January 2008.

   (snip)

   The patient became ill just four days after returning, and was treated at Exempla Lutheran Medical Center near Denver.
   Marburg fever is a close cousin to the terrifying Ebola virus, which causes uncontrolled internal and external bleeding.

   It's harder to detect, however, as symptoms at first mimic those of malaria and typhoid fever.
   It's highly infectious and usually fatal.
   The treatment for Marburg is roughly the same as Ebola.

   That is to say, there isn't much doctors can do except administer fluids, replace lost blood and hope for the best.
   The patient recovered fully.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=118121

Ebola or this Marburg fever?  Maybe confusion?

[jjayinthemorning]

(Wheat Ridge, CO)  --  An Ebola-like virus made its way to the U.S. for the first time last year.
   The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says a Colorado hospital treated an unidentified patient for Marburg hemorrhagic fever in January 2008.

   (snip)

   The patient became ill just four days after returning, and was treated at Exempla Lutheran Medical Center near Denver.
   Marburg fever is a close cousin to the terrifying Ebola virus, which causes uncontrolled internal and external bleeding.

   It's harder to detect, however, as symptoms at first mimic those of malaria and typhoid fever.
   It's highly infectious and usually fatal.
   The treatment for Marburg is roughly the same as Ebola.

   That is to say, there isn't much doctors can do except administer fluids, replace lost blood and hope for the best.
   The patient recovered fully.

http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=118121

Ebola or this Marburg fever?  Maybe confusion?

Both hemoratic fevers from the African jungle that have been weaponized.
It's very easy for a biological to be released from one continent to another.
But the problem with biologicals is that they are like fire. From the starting point it destroys everything in a path, that would include much of Islam, so they will have to be very desperate to use biologicals. That's why DHS is counting on dirty bombs first.

Scenerio:
Day 1. Dirty bombs in 12 US cities
Day 2. Suicide bombers in US Christian and Jewish centers
Day 3. Attacks on LE and first responder locations, and hospital emergency rooms
Day 4. Plan to meet at assigned location to regroup. This would be when the terrorists would move out and count the casualties
Day 5. Sparatic electricity outages across the country
Day 6. Government shows fatigue
Day 7. Shock and PTS seeps into population
Day 8. Looting and rioting
Day 9. Biological incubation period at peak
Day 10. Confirmation of biologicals
Day 11. Overwhelming reports of illness
Day 12. Medical shows fatigue
Day 13. Dead bodies become a problem
Day 14. Martial Law.

There's an example of a tabletop exercise for you.
Most First Responders are trained with tabletop and the scenerios change and training continues because this will happen one of these days.
Many people think this is instilling fear and it's not. Instead there is a certain preparedness that we each must possess.

[jjayinthemorning]

I think bioterrorism would be very easy to do.

As an example, look at the milk powder, protein, and melamime poisoning the Chinese (and globe) has dealt with the several years.

Yes, bioterrorism is easy but the US has many healthy people, disadvantage to terrorists. 

but a very high amount of very fat people. not healthy at all.

and anthrax is biological by the way.

The thing about anthrax being biological is that it's delivered in chemical form. A biological usually needs a host.

[nonesuche]

Jay, my father was a serial entrepreneur. Some of his ventures went well, others did not, but he an innate talent for visioning around the curve. A few examples being a computer mapping company as early as 1985, another company he launched featuring a soap formula patent which is completely non-toxic yet kills even anthrax in the mid-1990's.

Upon his death my brother and I worked with several venture groups as well as scientists, to try to salvage the biotech company. The reason it did not survive to launch of commercial product was due to the required testing by the Feds, they didn't have equipment capable of generating a heat high enough to execute the final test for complete EPA approval. Other scientific labs did have the equipment, just not the Feds. Pretty tragic if you ask me for you can shower in this soap and unless you drink a copious amount, it's a non-toxic enough to treat entire stadiums, buildings, hospitals if necessary post a bio attack. All stopped due to a missing piece of equipment on the Feds part which they never would give us an exact price as to the cost of that either?

One has to wonder as we did at that time, as well as the board for the company, who in Washington doesn't want to see the threat of anthrax reduced?

There are so many shades to the political landscape in this country. I'd heard sleeper cells already exist up and down the eastern seaboard, that came via a friend who is married to a career FBI individual.

[jjayinthemorning]

Jay, my father was a serial entrepreneur. Some of his ventures went well, others did not, but he an innate talent for visioning around the curve. A few examples being a computer mapping company as early as 1985, another company he launched featuring a soap formula patent which is completely non-toxic yet kills even anthrax in the mid-1990's.

Upon his death my brother and I worked with several venture groups as well as scientists, to try to salvage the biotech company. The reason it did not survive to launch of commercial product was due to the required testing by the Feds, they didn't have equipment capable of generating a heat high enough to execute the final test for complete EPA approval. Other scientific labs did have the equipment, just not the Feds. Pretty tragic if you ask me for you can shower in this soap and unless you drink a copious amount, it's a non-toxic enough to treat entire stadiums, buildings, hospitals if necessary post a bio attack. All stopped due to a missing piece of equipment on the Feds part which they never would give us an exact price as to the cost of that either?

One has to wonder as we did at that time, as well as the board for the company, who in Washington doesn't want to see the threat of anthrax reduced?

There are so many shades to the political landscape in this country. I'd heard sleeper cells already exist up and down the eastern seaboard, that came via a friend who is married to a career FBI individual.

There will be more grants and contracts for that type of product in the coming months. The stimulus plan is opening up opportunities like crazy.

Yes, I've heard about the sleepers on the east coast too. Charleston, Boston. They already have nuclear material that was brought in a couple of years ago, they are just waiting for the word from the clerics.
The 7 phase plan is going exactly to schedule. They don't plan another attack until 2010. By then we should be broke.

[nonesuche]

Jay- I work heavily with a team in the Phillipines, some there believe strongly in the 7 stage plan as well.