Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 - 1/27/09

[Keepthefaith]

2nj I'm not very good at bringing pictures over but there is a picture of Ozzy Osborne with our beloved Frog.Be great to bring it over...Now we all know where Kermit has been.TIA to whomever brings it over.

http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/music-funnyfaces/4/

Thanx 2nj!

[hotping]

Ozzie is choking Kermit....This is not Good!   

Kermit can flip Ozzie in a blink of an eye.   

I sure hope so....And this is even more reason that Kermit needs to make an appearance in the cage.....and soon.....to let Us know everything is OK.... 

[Keepthefaith]

2nj I'm not very good at bringing pictures over but there is a picture of Ozzy Osborne with our beloved Frog.Be great to bring it over...Now we all know where Kermit has been.TIA to whomever brings it over.

http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/music-funnyfaces/4/

Keepthefaith ... I love your new "extreme makeover" but ... please let Kermit go.  The forum desperately desires updates and ... maybe a little sweetness is where it is at.

 

Good Morning

Janet
9:20 AM PT

Sorry Janet!Thought it was a great picture.Kermit has the backing of the Man of darkness!Aruba can't touch Kermit with Ozzy on his side! If Kermit has Sharon Osborne on his side Aruba really doesn't stand a chance.I will have to get an avatar some day!

[Sam]

Are we sure Ozzy is not planning on eating Kermit raw after he finishes choking him?
I remember I would not let son go to an Ozzie concert because I had read he sometimes ate bats on stage.


Just stopping in to say a prayer still for Justice for Natalee and her family.

Sam

[Keepthefaith]

Are we sure Ozzy is not planning on eating Kermit raw after he finishes choking him?
I remember I would not let son go to an Ozzie concert because I had read he sometimes ate bats on stage.


Just stopping in to say a prayer still for Justice for Natalee and her family.

Sam

Kermit can handle anyone Sam! That picture was from many years ago and Kermit is still hoppping around.Thank God!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hi, Sam.

Glad you stopped by.  We're all still praying for justice for Natalee.

[jen3560]

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Dateline agreement (broken or not) and the timing of their presence on the Persistence and the 'find' Christmas, 2007.  Why proceed with the look/see of the cage if protection of potential evidence in an active investigation is of the utmost?  Just a tad contradictory in my mind....

Well, The original Dateline show was suppsed to be about TES, not specifically about Natalee Holloway.

I think the finding of the cage, and what was in it, was likely a big surprise.

Remember also - Silvetti hurried both Dateline and Tim Miller off the boat on December 30th.  Before anyone could dive on that cage for the purposes of a hands on inspection/collection.

[SS]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

I might be able to offer an explanation for the DTKM code.  Frans Deutekom is a very powerful and frightening person in Aruba.  Behind the scenes, he is the one who everyone else answers to, including Rudy Cores.  Deutekom is supposedly in charge of Aruba.  When we were duscussing Deutekom in Shango, we shortened his name to DTKM, because the name Frans Duetekom would not show up if ALE tried to use Google to find people who were discussing Deutekom.  We also used a name, Regnad Enoz to indicate things that we needed to be careful discussing.  It was never meant to be riddle.  It was protect people.

[Tamikosmom]

Are we sure Ozzy is not planning on eating Kermit raw after he finishes choking him?
I remember I would not let son go to an Ozzie concert because I had read he sometimes ate bats on stage.


Just stopping in to say a prayer still for Justice for Natalee and her family.

Sam

Don't worry about Kermit.  Kermit would have to have very tough skin when you consider the bashing he/she has received from many whose mission appears to be to protect John Silvetti in his participation in the finale' to the great Aruban coverup.

 

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Dateline agreement (broken or not) and the timing of their presence on the Persistence and the 'find' Christmas, 2007.  Why proceed with the look/see of the cage if protection of potential evidence in an active investigation is of the utmost?  Just a tad contradictory in my mind....

Well, The original Dateline show was suppsed to be about TES, not specifically about Natalee Holloway.

I think the finding of the cage, and what was in it, was likely a big surprise.

Remember also - Silvetti hurried both Dateline and Tim Miller off the boat on December 30th.  Before anyone could dive on that cage for the purposes of a hands on inspection/collection.

Then why have Trahan dive while they were present, go through the signal plans & ultimately say time was out - skate disturbed visibility, etc.? 

[Tamikosmom]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

++++++

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

I might be able to offer an explanation for the DTKM code.  Frans Deutekom is a very powerful and frightening person in Aruba.  Behind the scenes, he is the one who everyone else answers to, including Rudy Cores.  Deutekom is supposedly in charge of Aruba.  When we were duscussing Deutekom in Shango, we shortened his name to DTKM, because the name Frans Duetekom would not show up if ALE tried to use Google to find people who were discussing Deutekom.  We also used a name, Regnad Enoz to indicate things that we needed to be careful discussing.  It was never meant to be riddle.  It was protect people.

... according to who.

Thanks SS

Janet

Topic:  F.A.P.M. van DEUTEKOM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3036.0

[hotping]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

++++++

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

I might be able to offer an explanation for the DTKM code.  Frans Deutekom is a very powerful and frightening person in Aruba.  Behind the scenes, he is the one who everyone else answers to, including Rudy Cores.  Deutekom is supposedly in charge of Aruba.  When we were duscussing Deutekom in Shango, we shortened his name to DTKM, because the name Frans Duetekom would not show up if ALE tried to use Google to find people who were discussing Deutekom.  We also used a name, Regnad Enoz to indicate things that we needed to be careful discussing.  It was never meant to be riddle.  It was protect people.

Thank You SS.....I remember this....By the way Do You know anything about Robbert VanderSLoot...that is....Is He any kin to Paulus? Just Curious...TIA

[jen3560]

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Dateline agreement (broken or not) and the timing of their presence on the Persistence and the 'find' Christmas, 2007.  Why proceed with the look/see of the cage if protection of potential evidence in an active investigation is of the utmost?  Just a tad contradictory in my mind....

Well, The original Dateline show was suppsed to be about TES, not specifically about Natalee Holloway.

I think the finding of the cage, and what was in it, was likely a big surprise.

Remember also - Silvetti hurried both Dateline and Tim Miller off the boat on December 30th.  Before anyone could dive on that cage for the purposes of a hands on inspection/collection.

Then why have Trahan dive while they were present, go through the signal plans & ultimately say time was out - skate disturbed visibility, etc.? 

I can only guess - but remember, Hans Mos and ALE were contacted and were on board for that Dec 30th "visual only" dive.

Soon as Trahan and Aruban divers surfaced - ALE and Mos indicated they had no interest in that cage.

Kyle said he was thrilled with that, and made a comment along the lines of "Good, we ARE interested and will investigate it ourselves".

Then Silvetti removed Miller and Dateline that same day- and Tim Trahan was also conveniently off the boat for the Jan 7th inspection/collection dive.

[Keepthefaith]

Jen.Is there a reason to have any focus on Deutekom?If you know!TIA

[SS]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

++++++

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

I might be able to offer an explanation for the DTKM code.  Frans Deutekom is a very powerful and frightening person in Aruba.  Behind the scenes, he is the one who everyone else answers to, including Rudy Cores.  Deutekom is supposedly in charge of Aruba.  When we were duscussing Deutekom in Shango, we shortened his name to DTKM, because the name Frans Duetekom would not show up if ALE tried to use Google to find people who were discussing Deutekom.  We also used a name, Regnad Enoz to indicate things that we needed to be careful discussing.  It was never meant to be riddle.  It was protect people.

Thank You SS.....I remember this....By the way Do You know anything about Robbert VanderSLoot...that is....Is He any kin to Paulus? Just Curious...TIA

I don't know anything about Robbert van der Sloot, and I have no idea if he is a relative of Paulass and Urine.  I do know that Paulass has at least two brothers in Holland.  One brother is a scientist and professor, possibly at the University of Tilburg.  I think his name is Ko.  There is another brother in the Dutch government.  His picture is below, but I forget his name.  I can only assume that Robbert van der Sloot could be the son of one of these brothers.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Dateline agreement (broken or not) and the timing of their presence on the Persistence and the 'find' Christmas, 2007.  Why proceed with the look/see of the cage if protection of potential evidence in an active investigation is of the utmost?  Just a tad contradictory in my mind....

Well, The original Dateline show was suppsed to be about TES, not specifically about Natalee Holloway.

I think the finding of the cage, and what was in it, was likely a big surprise.

Remember also - Silvetti hurried both Dateline and Tim Miller off the boat on December 30th.  Before anyone could dive on that cage for the purposes of a hands on inspection/collection.

Then why have Trahan dive while they were present, go through the signal plans & ultimately say time was out - skate disturbed visibility, etc.? 

I can only guess - but remember, Hans Mos and ALE were contacted and were on board for that Dec 30th "visual only" dive.

Soon as Trahan and Aruban divers surfaced - ALE and Mos indicated they had no interest in that cage.

Kyle said he was thrilled with that, and made a comment along the lines of "Good, we ARE interested and will investigate it ourselves".

Then Silvetti removed Miller and Dateline that same day- and Tim Trahan was also conveniently off the boat for the Jan 7th inspection/collection dive.

And the Aruban disinterest in the cage became the opposite.  Seems some may have been talking out of both sides of their mouth.  I will have to give this more thought.  It still doesn't sit right with me.  The staging doesn't make sense.  Maybe I'm just being a blockhead today (some may say that's my norm    )

[jen3560]

Jen.Is there a reason to have any focus on Deutekom?If you know!TIA

I'll have to read that thread here on him, I guess.  I honestly had never heard of the man until today.

[Keepthefaith]

Jen.Is there a reason to have any focus on Deutekom?If you know!TIA

I'll have to read that thread here on him, I guess.  I honestly had never heard of the man until today.

Thanx.

[jen3560]

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the Dateline agreement (broken or not) and the timing of their presence on the Persistence and the 'find' Christmas, 2007.  Why proceed with the look/see of the cage if protection of potential evidence in an active investigation is of the utmost?  Just a tad contradictory in my mind....

Well, The original Dateline show was suppsed to be about TES, not specifically about Natalee Holloway.

I think the finding of the cage, and what was in it, was likely a big surprise.

Remember also - Silvetti hurried both Dateline and Tim Miller off the boat on December 30th.  Before anyone could dive on that cage for the purposes of a hands on inspection/collection.

Then why have Trahan dive while they were present, go through the signal plans & ultimately say time was out - skate disturbed visibility, etc.? 

I can only guess - but remember, Hans Mos and ALE were contacted and were on board for that Dec 30th "visual only" dive.

Soon as Trahan and Aruban divers surfaced - ALE and Mos indicated they had no interest in that cage.

Kyle said he was thrilled with that, and made a comment along the lines of "Good, we ARE interested and will investigate it ourselves".

Then Silvetti removed Miller and Dateline that same day- and Tim Trahan was also conveniently off the boat for the Jan 7th inspection/collection dive.

And the Aruban disinterest in the cage became the opposite.  Seems some may have been talking out of both sides of their mouth.  I will have to give this more thought.  It still doesn't sit right with me.  The staging doesn't make sense.  Maybe I'm just being a blockhead today (some may say that's my norm    )

I don't have a clue what the "deal" was between Silvetti and Dateline - and therefore I don't know how it was broken - according to Kyle.

So like I said - I can only guess. 

Silvetti was upset with Dateline, Kyle was upset those initial Dec 29 pics were on the internet.

Why?

There's no earthly reason, if this endeavor was honorable, that there should have been people upset by the facts being brought forward - or for the removal from the boat of those people who would likely continue to bring the facts forward.

[hotping]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

++++++

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Doesn't "DNA found" at least indicate that human remains were found in that trap??

This Persitence crap pisses me off to no end!Absolutely unbelievable!

Why wouldn't Aruba at least purport to the world that DNA of SOMEONE was found? Why wouldn't they at least make up some story of a drug smuggler or something? They just pretended it didn't exist.

It would be interesting to know if anyone on the Persistence ever met with DTKM??

Enough with the riddles!!  Spit it out or ... I am going to call you CAPS/SHANGO.

Janet

I might be able to offer an explanation for the DTKM code.  Frans Deutekom is a very powerful and frightening person in Aruba.  Behind the scenes, he is the one who everyone else answers to, including Rudy Cores.  Deutekom is supposedly in charge of Aruba.  When we were duscussing Deutekom in Shango, we shortened his name to DTKM, because the name Frans Duetekom would not show up if ALE tried to use Google to find people who were discussing Deutekom.  We also used a name, Regnad Enoz to indicate things that we needed to be careful discussing.  It was never meant to be riddle.  It was protect people.

Thank You SS.....I remember this....By the way Do You know anything about Robbert VanderSLoot...that is....Is He any kin to Paulus? Just Curious...TIA

I don't know anything about Robbert van der Sloot, and I have no idea if he is a relative of Paulass and Urine.  I do know that Paulass has at least two brothers in Holland.  One brother is a scientist and professor, possibly at the University of Tilburg.  I think his name is Ko.  There is another brother in the Dutch government.  His picture is below, but I forget his name.  I can only assume that Robbert van der Sloot could be the son of one of these brothers.

Thanks Again SS....By the way...Its good to see You!