Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 - 1/27/09

[jen3560]

Sorry Jen.I wasn't trying to insinuate you said anything in regards to Caps.

Oh honey - no worries!!  No harm, and no hurt feelings!

[Keepthefaith]

SS - I believe you've misconstrued many, many things in your post.

The one I want to address immediately is your assertion that Natalee's Freebirds withheld information.

We informed Beth, John Kelly and the FBI, once it was ascertained that Kyle had never done so - contradictory to him having told us he HAD done so.

We withheld nothing "for months".

Regarding Caps - him having emailed Dave Holloway with nothing but what is now being touted as "a theory", while stating it to Dave as a certainty, and here at SM that all Dave had to do to get his daughter was get some pumps and come to Aruba, is quite frankly disgusting.

He sent that email to Dave in December - while he was still espousing different ponds - NONE of which was the Monserat pond.

Admittedly, I haven't read at SM much over the years, so I may have missed all of these things about this case you spoke of that Caps figured out.

Could you please direct me to those instances?

TIA

It is my understanding that Kyle approached the Freebirds with the contents of the cage and the January 7th photographs in March of 2008.  The posters at SM were informed of the cage contents in late September/early October.  Posters at Freebrids, some of whom were also posting alongside posters at SM during that same time period, knew about ALE taking the cage contents for six months and certainly didn't let the rest of us know.  Why are fingers being pointed at Caps?  Is this a diversion because according to Kermit, she didn't notify the FBI of the January 7th pictures until September?   I am personally furious at what took place with the Persistence.  I fail to see how Caps has been pulled into this.

You are correct in that nothing Kyle shared with us was made public until AFTER Natalee's mother gave us the ok to do so.

I don't see a problem with that, do you?

I'm confused by your sentence bolded above.

Beth was notified of the pictures at least by March, because that is when we have seen direct conversation between PI and Kyle discussing the denim skirt.  The photographs from 12/29 had already been released by Robin Holloway, prior to March.  It would not have been necessary to release the January 7th photographs in order to let the rest of the world know how the Persistence had mishandled the contents of the cage.  We were already aware that fabric had been recovered from the cage, because all of us had seen the FBI report from Quantico.  March to September is a period of six months.

Are you saying that Beth prohibited the Freebirds from releasing information to the public about how the Persistence crew had mishandled the contents of the cage?  Are you accusing Beth of being an accessory after the fact?

 

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: it was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz.

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

Well said, Jen. 

[texasmom]

SS does not speak for me, and I think it's highly unlikely that Caps has asked her to speak for him.

Be back later, or maybe I'll stay but I'll probably be scrollin'....

[jen3560]

SS - I believe you've misconstrued many, many things in your post.

The one I want to address immediately is your assertion that Natalee's Freebirds withheld information.

We informed Beth, John Kelly and the FBI, once it was ascertained that Kyle had never done so - contradictory to him having told us he HAD done so.

We withheld nothing "for months".

Regarding Caps - him having emailed Dave Holloway with nothing but what is now being touted as "a theory", while stating it to Dave as a certainty, and here at SM that all Dave had to do to get his daughter was get some pumps and come to Aruba, is quite frankly disgusting.

He sent that email to Dave in December - while he was still espousing different ponds - NONE of which was the Monserat pond.

Admittedly, I haven't read at SM much over the years, so I may have missed all of these things about this case you spoke of that Caps figured out.

Could you please direct me to those instances?

TIA

It is my understanding that Kyle approached the Freebirds with the contents of the cage and the January 7th photographs in March of 2008.  The posters at SM were informed of the cage contents in late September/early October.  Posters at Freebrids, some of whom were also posting alongside posters at SM during that same time period, knew about ALE taking the cage contents for six months and certainly didn't let the rest of us know.  Why are fingers being pointed at Caps?  Is this a diversion because according to Kermit, she didn't notify the FBI of the January 7th pictures until September?   I am personally furious at what took place with the Persistence.  I fail to see how Caps has been pulled into this.

You are correct in that nothing Kyle shared with us was made public until AFTER Natalee's mother gave us the ok to do so.

I don't see a problem with that, do you?

I'm confused by your sentence bolded above.

Beth was notified of the pictures at least by March, because that is when we have seen direct conversation between PI and Kyle discussing the denim skirt.  The photographs from 12/29 had already been released by Robin Holloway, prior to March.  It would not have been necessary to release the January 7th photographs in order to let the rest of the world know how the Persistence had mishandled the contents of the cage.  We were already aware that fabric had been recovered from the cage, because all of us had seen the FBI report from Quantico.  March to September is a period of six months.

Are you saying that Beth prohibited the Freebirds from releasing information to the public about how the Persistence crew had mishandled the contents of the cage?  Are you accusing Beth of being an accessory after the fact?

Beth was notified of the pictures in March, yes.  But none of the follow up and detailed info that came in the subsequent days/months from Kyle.

Unlike he had led us to believe.

As to the bolded - you are kidding, right?  Did you expect people to just come here with a "trust me - there is more out there" and NO ONE would have questioned that? 

And do you really think ANY of that should have been done before the family was aware of it?  Give me a break.  That's just cold and callous of you.

Not to mention - we were under the assumption the FBI had all of this information - and that we shouldn't make anything public so as not to "harm anything the FBI was doing".

Which we later found out to be a lie.



Beth had NO IDEA of the details until WE shared them with her in SEPTEMBER.    At which point she was "disturbed"  Needed time to "digest this" and wanted to share it with "someone I trust".

She then gave us the ok to release it when Tim was heading back to Aruba last fall.  The same day.

Enter Kyle and his "my intellectual property" stance - that then caused its impossibility to do.

I don't get what part of this is unclear to you?

[jen3560]

Well said, Jen. 

Thanks 2NJ!

I know I should have been less harsh.   


It's been a rotten day, and I never should have let that reflect in my posts.  I apologize to all the Monkeys!

Have a wonderful evening Monkeys!

  

[Tamikosmom]

SS - I believe you've misconstrued many, many things in your post.

The one I want to address immediately is your assertion that Natalee's Freebirds withheld information.

We informed Beth, John Kelly and the FBI, once it was ascertained that Kyle had never done so - contradictory to him having told us he HAD done so.

We withheld nothing "for months".

Regarding Caps - him having emailed Dave Holloway with nothing but what is now being touted as "a theory", while stating it to Dave as a certainty, and here at SM that all Dave had to do to get his daughter was get some pumps and come to Aruba, is quite frankly disgusting.

He sent that email to Dave in December - while he was still espousing different ponds - NONE of which was the Monserat pond.

Admittedly, I haven't read at SM much over the years, so I may have missed all of these things about this case you spoke of that Caps figured out.

Could you please direct me to those instances?

TIA

It is my understanding that Kyle approached the Freebirds with the contents of the cage and the January 7th photographs in March of 2008.  The posters at SM were informed of the cage contents in late September/early October.  Posters at Freebrids, some of whom were also posting alongside posters at SM during that same time period, knew about ALE taking the cage contents for six months and certainly didn't let the rest of us know.  Why are fingers being pointed at Caps?  Is this a diversion because according to Kermit, she didn't notify the FBI of the January 7th pictures until September?   I am personally furious at what took place with the Persistence.  I fail to see how Caps has been pulled into this.

You are correct in that nothing Kyle shared with us was made public until AFTER Natalee's mother gave us the ok to do so.

I don't see a problem with that, do you?

I'm confused by your sentence bolded above.

Beth was notified of the pictures at least by March, because that is when we have seen direct conversation between PI and Kyle discussing the denim skirt.  The photographs from 12/29 had already been released by Robin Holloway, prior to March.  It would not have been necessary to release the January 7th photographs in order to let the rest of the world know how the Persistence had mishandled the contents of the cage.  We were already aware that fabric had been recovered from the cage, because all of us had seen the FBI report from Quantico.  March to September is a period of six months.

Are you saying that Beth prohibited the Freebirds from releasing information to the public about how the Persistence crew had mishandled the contents of the cage?  Are you accusing Beth of being an accessory after the fact?

 

Hey ... jen would imply no such thing.

Beth was under no obligation to give the Natalee's Freebirds' permission to PUBLICLY release crucial information.  It was her call.

Logic dictates that Beth has take steps to assure that this crucial information in regards to Kyle's own words concerning the deception of the Persistence undertaking has made its way to the proper authorities.  We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

<snipped>

Are you saying that Beth prohibited the Freebirds from releasing information to the public about how the Persistence crew had mishandled the contents of the cage?  Are you accusing Beth of being an accessory after the fact?

Beth was notified of the pictures in March, yes.  But none of the follow up and detailed info that came in the subsequent days/months from Kyle.

Unlike he had led us to believe.

As to the bolded - you are kidding, right?  Did you expect people to just come here with a "trust me - there is more out there" and NO ONE would have questioned that? 

And do you really think ANY of that should have been done before the family was aware of it?  Give me a break.  That's just cold and callous of you.

Not to mention - we were under the assumption the FBI had all of this information - and that we shouldn't make anything public so as not to "harm anything the FBI was doing".

Which we later found out to be a lie.



Beth had NO IDEA of the details until WE shared them with her in SEPTEMBER.    At which point she was "disturbed"  Needed time to "digest this" and wanted to share it with "someone I trust".

She then gave us the ok to release it when Tim was heading back to Aruba last fall.  The same day.

Enter Kyle and his "my intellectual property" stance - that then caused its impossibility to do.

I don't get what part of this is unclear to you?

 

[jen3560]

Well, we very recently learned that Silvetti and Scaeffer proactively contacted Tim Miller about their benvolent willingness to search the ocean floor, for Natalee of course........yet the current topic is CAPS 

grumble grumble 

bbl

BUMP!!!!

And thank you Sharon - your voice of reason has always kept me steady!

[jen3560]

Hey ... jen would imply no such thing.

Beth was under no obligation to give the Natalee's Freebirds' permission to PUBLICLY release crucial information.  It was her call.

Logic dictates that Beth has take steps to assure that this crucial information in regards to Kyle's own words concerning the deception of the Persistence undertaking has made its way to the proper authorities.  We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

Janet

Thank you Janet! 

[Tamikosmom]

Hey ... jen would imply no such thing.

Beth was under no obligation to give the Natalee's Freebirds' permission to PUBLICLY release crucial information.  It was her call.

Logic dictates that Beth has take steps to assure that this crucial information in regards to Kyle's own words concerning the deception of the Persistence undertaking has made its way to the proper authorities.  We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

Janet

Thank you Janet! 

[Keepthefaith]

In the following Tim Miller/Greta interview ... Tim states that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti contacted him regarding the undertaking.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

Good evening Monkey's.So is it safe to say that Louis and John interjected themselves?TIA

Hi Keepthefaith.

 


I suspect that the Tim Miller's organization was duped into being used to collect funding for a venture that was not about justice for Natalee Holloway ... it wasall about oil mapping the Aruban ocean floor.

Janet

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Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #793 1/13/09
« Reply #604 on: Today at 05:51:26 PM »

We are told this is from an email, and it explains what Jug said to someone else about John Silvetti and what Jug knew:

"I (lalasmom) asked Jug about Schaeffer ... he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped .... while they were looking ... the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.  They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.

Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4371.msg631525#msg631525


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.WHAT SAY YOU PERSISTENCE?

[SS]

CapsLockWizard

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Major player arrest week.I take full responsibility for it and find nothing wrong with it!CapsLockWizard put himself out there.Why would you even guess at something like that and put it on Scared Monkey's,and or any other forum.In my own personal opinion CapsLockWizard has no integrity if he says things that turn out to be FALSE!I'm absolutely confused at the trust placed on CapsLockWizard.It's all just my opinion SS.

KTF - Caps is no different than you or me saying to someone in another country, "watch this week to see the Governor of Illinois removed from office".  From all appearances, it sure looks like the guy is going to be run out.  However, if something unexpected happens and he isn't removed from office, does that mean you and I have no integrity? No, it doesn't.  Caps tries to help us and he gives us information.  He gives us thoughts from Arubans.  He is not an authority on anything.  We have all posted our theories and expectations on this thread. He is no different than the rest of us, except that he lives in Aruba and Clyde Burke is not his personal friend and confidant.  I don't know why Caps is being held to a higher or different standard than the rest of us.  I personally think that Natalee was buried on land and I say so frequently.  If she is someday found in a pond or the ocean, does that mean I have no integrity?

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER:

SS ... maybe you missed the following email submission to Klaas of the Former Natalee's Freebirds' Administrator (jen).

jen's words speaks volumes in regards to the deception of Kyle Kingman.  The Natalee's Freebirds were under the assumption that Kyle had contacted the FBI and ... when it was learned that he had not ... jen, wingnut and Kermit took matters into their own hands.  I believe that was in September.  jen ... correct me if I am wrong.

Janet

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klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

Janet - I am in agreement with the anger over the way in which Persistence handled the contents of the cage.  It is deplorable.  My question remains, why did the Freebirds remain silent about this from March until September, regardless of who waited for whom to contact the FBI.  The rest of us were spending hours digging for tid bits of information and we were writing checks to TES.  Why didn't the Freebirds go public with this information and let the rest of us know what had taken place?  I have a problem with that.  In my opinion, I feel like I was finally given the information in September, because the Freebirds as a group faced a legal issue.  The same issue caused big problems within their own group and then the problem was dumped on our forum and in our laps to deal with publicly.  I'm not happy about that because I don't like what has happened to some really nice people and some really nice relationships.

Maybe you anger should be directed at Kyle Kingman.  He had all this crucial first hand information encompassing John Silvetti assisting in the finale' to great Aruban coverup involving an American Citizen yet ... he did not immediately report it to US Authorities or Natalee's family immediately upon arriving home.  Instead ... he held off and entered into negotiations with major networds along side of Louis Shaefer and Tim Tehran.

Dispictable!!

Janet

[bleachedblack]

CapsLockWizard

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Major player arrest week.I take full responsibility for it and find nothing wrong with it!CapsLockWizard put himself out there.Why would you even guess at something like that and put it on Scared Monkey's,and or any other forum.In my own personal opinion CapsLockWizard has no integrity if he says things that turn out to be FALSE!I'm absolutely confused at the trust placed on CapsLockWizard.It's all just my opinion SS.

KTF - Caps is no different than you or me saying to someone in another country, "watch this week to see the Governor of Illinois removed from office".  From all appearances, it sure looks like the guy is going to be run out.  However, if something unexpected happens and he isn't removed from office, does that mean you and I have no integrity? No, it doesn't.  Caps tries to help us and he gives us information.  He gives us thoughts from Arubans.  He is not an authority on anything.  We have all posted our theories and expectations on this thread. He is no different than the rest of us, except that he lives in Aruba and Clyde Burke is not his personal friend and confidant.  I don't know why Caps is being held to a higher or different standard than the rest of us.  I personally think that Natalee was buried on land and I say so frequently.  If she is someday found in a pond or the ocean, does that mean I have no integrity?

I have to agree with this post SS, that CAPS was treated rather poorly with the daily sometimes hourly info countdown. Red also had promised something in the works, but I didn't see him being counted down.

[SS]

It leads me to wonder what CapsLockWizzard had aganist
this Deutekon that he would want to implicate him into
the thick of things.

Well...........remember, Caps told us that his uncle participates in the rotation at the OM's office....

Yes, he certainly did openly give us this information.  Some of us know who the uncle is.   Does the fact that Caps has an uncle in OM automatically make him an ALE plant?  Simian/Merian Ernest has an uncle who is a former police chief.

Is the bolded statement supposed to mean something to those of us who don't know? 

2NJ - there are several people who know his identify and therefore know who the uncle is.  It is not a question of being in the know.  It really is an issue of security.  People have been killed who are believed to have knowledge of Natalee's disappearance.  Klaas knows who Caps is as does Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, Jossy Mansur, TexasMom, and a few others.  Please don't push for his identify to be publicly released.  Capps has given us a lot of information about things.

[Keepthefaith]

CapsLockWizard

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Major player arrest week.I take full responsibility for it and find nothing wrong with it!CapsLockWizard put himself out there.Why would you even guess at something like that and put it on Scared Monkey's,and or any other forum.In my own personal opinion CapsLockWizard has no integrity if he says things that turn out to be FALSE!I'm absolutely confused at the trust placed on CapsLockWizard.It's all just my opinion SS.

KTF - Caps is no different than you or me saying to someone in another country, "watch this week to see the Governor of Illinois removed from office".  From all appearances, it sure looks like the guy is going to be run out.  However, if something unexpected happens and he isn't removed from office, does that mean you and I have no integrity? No, it doesn't.  Caps tries to help us and he gives us information.  He gives us thoughts from Arubans.  He is not an authority on anything.  We have all posted our theories and expectations on this thread. He is no different than the rest of us, except that he lives in Aruba and Clyde Burke is not his personal friend and confidant.  I don't know why Caps is being held to a higher or different standard than the rest of us.  I personally think that Natalee was buried on land and I say so frequently.  If she is someday found in a pond or the ocean, does that mean I have no integrity?

So why has Caps interjected himself into this case?If he's leading witnesses to Silvetti,Miller or whomever.I think he has a more vested interest in this other than just SOME poster don't ya think?

[Keepthefaith]

CapsLockWizard

"Just watch this week for the arrest of a major player of the game...and probably a big strike in the making and uproar in the house of Babylon."

Major player arrest week.I take full responsibility for it and find nothing wrong with it!CapsLockWizard put himself out there.Why would you even guess at something like that and put it on Scared Monkey's,and or any other forum.In my own personal opinion CapsLockWizard has no integrity if he says things that turn out to be FALSE!I'm absolutely confused at the trust placed on CapsLockWizard.It's all just my opinion SS.

KTF - Caps is no different than you or me saying to someone in another country, "watch this week to see the Governor of Illinois removed from office".  From all appearances, it sure looks like the guy is going to be run out.  However, if something unexpected happens and he isn't removed from office, does that mean you and I have no integrity? No, it doesn't.  Caps tries to help us and he gives us information.  He gives us thoughts from Arubans.  He is not an authority on anything.  We have all posted our theories and expectations on this thread. He is no different than the rest of us, except that he lives in Aruba and Clyde Burke is not his personal friend and confidant.  I don't know why Caps is being held to a higher or different standard than the rest of us.  I personally think that Natalee was buried on land and I say so frequently.  If she is someday found in a pond or the ocean, does that mean I have no integrity?

I have to agree with this post SS, that CAPS was treated rather poorly with the daily sometimes hourly info countdown. Red also had promised something in the works, but I didn't see him being counted down.

Well maybe that's because Red didn't say it was gonna happen this week!

[Tamikosmom]

Tim Tehran is the key to exposing with certainty this entire conspiracy.  I do not think for one moment that Tim would be in negotiations with major networks if he could not back up the ROV images with a first hand account of what he observed in that December 30, 2008 dive.

This is why Louis Shaeffer (ROV copyright), Kyle Kingsman (ROV analyst) and Tim Tahran (diver) are thisclose in regards to the network negotiations.

Gotta go.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.