Caylee Marie Anthony #97 1/23/09 - 1/24/09

[KarmaRoundUp]

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you have a close relationship and then the 'other' party doesn't show for an important function, doesn't call, doesn't pick up the phone? I think we can all safely say that at one time or another this has happened to us. The 'other' party does something out of character. What typically happens? We start to justify in our minds, I'm sure they are ok, I'm sure it's traffic, long lines at the grocery store, got stuck at work, etc. Surely there is a good 'explanation' for it all. After a certain amount of time passes the panic starts to set in. We start dialing more frequently, we look out the window for the familiar car to pull up, we start pacing, etc. Then the panic starts leading us down imaginary roads that almost always end up in a 'bad' situation, ie, car accident, affair, hospital, etc. 

At this point we are either planning imaginary funerals, divorces, because we 'might' be in a situation where something is really wrong. Then walks in the 'other' party, non chalant without a care in the world and we run to them, checking them for bruises, broken bones, signs of concusion. Our panic and anxiety start to dissapate and our rational and emotional side starts to take over. Ok, where HAVE you BEEN? I've been WORRIED sick! Of course we are prepared for a rational excuse. When we don't get it, what happens? We get angry. We are angry that they are so non chalant over OUR worry. How dare he/she not understand that I had imagined a tragedy equal to 9/11 befalling them. Then because we have allowed ourselves to worry and process our fears at such a fast pace and come to a conclusion at an even quicker pace, we are mad, angry, resentful because their reaction might make it seem to us as if they didn't care to pick up the phone and just call. But who are we really mad at? More than likely we are angry at ourselves because we sucked up time worrying about someone who was perfectly fine.

People who worry a lot are people who like to have control of situations. Because they do not have control, they worry because the worry consumes them. Cindy's anger could have been from any one of the things discussed. It truly depends on how much time you allow yourself to stay in panic mode, anxiety mode, fear mode that will tell you if you are a worrier. Someone told me once, why do you worry about things you cannot control? I had no answer. 

Cindy has a unique standing in this family. I haven't heard one time in all of this that she was mad at Casey. At Casey's own admission she dropped Caylee off with a 'nanny' and has no phone number, no email, no other info, for this nanny. I'm a parent and if my child told me that, I'd be very upset. I'd be like, WTH? Who raised you to be so irresponsible with your child? Add in the fact that it's been 31 days? I'd be extremely upset at my child. I would voice that anger to anyone who would listen!

We've read the coworker's reports of Cindy's behavior which is odd at best. Specifically the day when she goes to the tow yard and goes back to work. When her boss presses her to go home or call the police, she says she has a lot of work to do. You have a daughter missing, a grandaughter missing with her FAVORITE dolly in the car, a dolly she never ever leaves! You have a towed car and a daughter who has been giving you the run around when it comes to speaking to your grandchild for 31 DAYS???? AND the cherry on top, you have a car that smells like death! Add in the previous lies and betrayals that Cindy has felt at the hands of Casey and you are just going to go back to work? I can barely work when I have a hang nail but Cindy can go back to work as if she picked up her car from a mechanic? The boss presses her to call the police. Cindy's reaction is that she wants to find Casey and ask Casey what is going on. Something isn't right in this picture.

I personally think Cindy is passive agressive and co-dependent to an extreme point. She will say things here or there to whoever will listen. Her co-workers, her husband, her friends. BUT she will never confront Casey and make her accountable. However, she will complain and make comments to everyone but Casey. On the rare occassions when she does confront her, what happens, WW3 breaks out. Cindy has to state that she is the one taking care of Caylee constantly. Why would a confident person need to do this? It should be understood and apparent. This could be a form of martyrdom, which is a huge sign of the passive aggressive personality.

There were reports that Cindy was seeking counseling back in 2007 and somewhere someone had said she was planning on taking custody of Caylee per her therapist's suggestion. First of all, as a counselor it is unethical to give advice such as this. Therapists are not supposed to go around solving people's problems, they are there to listen objectively and provide a safe place to talk about very personal issues in an unbiased setting. Secondly, CPS doesn't just sign on the dottel line for a complaint that the mother has no money. It's typically a situation where the mom is on drugs or prostituting around the child and even these situations have to be proven and extreme to be able to take a child away.

So, Cindy is mad at George because her being mad at him gets him to comply with what she wants. Cindy does not get mad at Casey because it doesn't work and Casey can take Caylee and go wherever and Cindy can't do a darn thing about it. Cindy knows this. So, it wasn't a money issue that kept her from taking Caylee away from Casey, it was a FACT issue. Cindy acts like a tyrant around George because he's made his mistakes and I'm sure she hasn't let him forget them either. I really think, this is the only way she can validate herself. If it's Cindy's house, Cindy's money, Cindy's rules, Cindy's this or that, where is George's identity? George tells Cindy that the smell is pizza and she buys that? He does that to protect her. Even scarier is that she buys that excuse because she can't be accountable for her daughter. She would rather defend Casey than confront her and ask her to be accountable. Why?  Cindy is weak? Or does Cindy know something about the family dynamic that allows her to justify her co-dependant relationship with Casey? What could THAT be? Could be alcoholism, drugs, sexual abuse, etc. Who knows.

But what we know about co-dependancy shows us that Cindy can't get Casey to be an accountable person. However, it's not for the reasons you might think. If Casey becomes a responsible young adult, leaves home, gets married, has more kids, etc, then Cindy can no longer feed her own need to be the fixer. I think Cindy has come from a dysfunctional family. I haven't heard anything about her mom or dad or how she was raised, if either one of them were abusers or alcoholics or addicted to any other 'vice.'
So, why might Cindy be angry with George? Could very well be the same reason, if George gets help, she will no longer be the one person he needs and to a co-dependent, those words worse than dying.

I have included a blip from Wikiepedia on co-dependancy to help explain the behavior. I've highlighted in RED, the things that stick out when applied to Cindy's behavior.

Symptoms of co dependence are controlling behavior, distrust, perfectionism, avoidance of feelings, problems with intimacy, excessive caretaker, hyper vigilance or physical illness related to stress. Co dependence is often accompanied by clinical depression, as the co-dependent person succumbs to feelings of frustration or sadness over his or her inability to improve the situation. Co-dependency advocates claim that a co-dependent may feel shame about, or try to change, his or her most private thoughts and feelings if they conflict with those of another person. An example would be a wife making excuses for her husband's excessive drinking and perhaps defending him by calling in sick for him when he is hung over. Such behaviors, which may well lessen conflict and ease tension within the family in the short term, are counterproductive in the long term, since, in this case, the wife is actually supporting ("enabling") the husband's drinking behavior. So, sometimes, the co-dependent is referred to as an "enabler." It is also worth noting that since the wife in this case is dependent on the husband's alcoholic behavior, she may actually feel disturbed, disoriented or threatened if she sees clearly that he is emerging from his dependence; the threat to her position as a confidante and needed loved one might lead her unconsciously to resist the husband's steps towards recovery. Similarly, a co-dependent parent might resist his or her child's steps toward independence; whether early or late in life.

Whoa LuckyCharms,just from reading your posts and Hudsunn's and a few others,I understand this family so much better.Thank you!

[SunnyinTX]

i refrain from posting the whole article here, but this is a good read about george and the car smell

http://www.wftv.com/news/18052701/detail.html

Tanks again....I hadn't heard about the A's holding a prayer service??

[Keepthefaith]

snipped from:
http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html

Investigators also say the documents indicate that Casey might have been considering coming clean a couple of times. On the day she was indicted for murder she actually called her attorney from the sheriff's headquarters and hinted she might help investigators find Caylee. But once she talked to him she changed her mind. In August, she was about to meet with her father at the jail but once again it appears her attorney talked her out of it.

Good Afternoon Monks old and new!!  Here's some another unpopular post.  I was not going to comment on what I have been reading other than to say if you don't agree with a post.....indeed feel free to disagree with it...but please do it in a respectful manner...........however, I don't understand all this fighting over how YOU feel about George's cry for help.....if you think it was a ploy...fine....if you indeed think it was a real cry for help....fine...but since none of us know for sure ....each opinion seems to be valid. This is Caylee's thread...it appears some people seem to think this is their personal social network.....MUSING is for socializing.....why can't WE keep Caylee's thread for Caylee...so many bitch about this and that person connected with the case, for taking the focus away from Caylee and it's happening here more and more. Our Mods continue to ask very nicely to keep the O/T to a minimum.....most do, but there are some that don't.....over and over and over....I don't have to say who...you know who you are. When things are slow the mods are very generous with tolerating the O/T....but when things are happening why do they have to remind us....over and over to stay on topic? WE are supposed to be adults. It is really painful to come into the cage and see Monks that have been here for a L O N G time feeling like they want to stop posting on this thread. or leave SM.....normally when I see someone threatening to leave I will NOT speak out...I figure it's there choice, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. But what I have seen in the past couple days is really nasty. And it needs to stop. If I spoke out every time I disagreed I'd be banned for sure. But when I see some of the crap I have read in the last 24 hours, I feel like I need to speak out.   Saying that...........the above reinforces my belief that BJ is running the show.....he is in control of what casey knows about, who she sees, and now is in charge of Caylee's remains. I am convinced he doesn't want her to see her parents for fear she might have a soft spot for them and say something.  I am so glad the judge ruled that she has to be in court....at least she will know what's going on....because I honestly don't thinks she does now....I would HATE to see her conviction (I do believe in spite of BJ, she will be convicted) overruled on an appeal of ineffective counsel. I do believe that BJ has something in the works for himself in the future based on casey going to trial. Does she know all the evidence against her? What is he telling her?

Klaas thanks for the last post of the NE.

Excellent post SunnyinTX.It's all about JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!Nothing more.Nothing less!

[Today]

someone asked about this earlier

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lawyer won't have to fight for his laptop.

Jose Baez is supposed to go to court Tuesday asking to see more evidence from investigators (read all motions). He was also going to ask for special permission to bring his laptop to the jail when he visits Casey.

But Monday, the jail told Eyewitness News it has suddenly changed its laptop policy. They will allow private attorneys to carry in their computers starting next month.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18052701/detail.html

Thanks JuJu....WOW I think that's a big mistake, but they didn't ask me

Laptop does not equal internet connection.  Jails do not allow internet access.  I am assuming that all cell phones need to be left when entering, which would elimate the possibility of connecting to the internet thru any type of blackberry device.  Look at  the attorney's laptop as just a place to store notes.

[SunnyinTX]

Hello from STEELER country



Thanks to all who all who post with info and links. I have been caught up in this case and want justice for Caylee. Caylee's murder horrific enough but so disturbing and dispicable that all involved have not put Caylee to rest.

Welcome!!

[KarmaRoundUp]

Hi there!
Ut oh,are we going to start singing"in the ghetto"for Seasearcher?Let me know as I'll need some hot tea. 

Darn..I missed it..can you sing it again 

As the snow flies.............
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto
And his mama cries
'cause if there's one thing that she don't need
it's another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto

People, don't you understand
the child needs a helping hand
or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
are we too blind to see,
do we simply turn our heads
and look the other way  

[heykim]

when i was walkin in memphis...

soooooooo whats new on the george front TODAY? have been busy all day....

Hey.....Kim, I don't think I've seen any updates on George today..just recaps of yesterday..I did hear yesterday that he could get released as early as this afternoon but I would think that would be all over the news if he did....I'm cuious to see where he goes next.. If he's got any friends or relatives that he can stay with..I hope that's where he goes.

Did anyone hear whether or not Tim Miller visited him today ???

so ...no 72 hours ? hmmmm
wow.. are you KIDDING me? there is talk that TIM would VISIT geo?...wow..

[flossy]

Maybe Sherri or Dennis could hire George for one of their businesses.  They have more than just KidFinders.

Yea, isn't one of them Tot Mom Supporters.. ?   

Seriously?

No....I was just kidding Flossy!   

Doh!!! 

There I go again, as gullible as my udders are floppy!

[SunnyinTX]

Yesterday Conway in his presser said that Cindy was mad at George. Cindy, what are you mad about, that George took off without telling you, are you mad because he caused all of this excitement, are you mad that he may have been thinking of suicide, or are you mad that George might say something that could blow this case wide open. What was very telling to me was Cindy didn't rush to see George, I really wonder if she cares at all about him, because usually a family member would rush to the side of a person in this condition.

I understand Cindy thinking of George as possibly selfish for his "suicide antics", but she should know by now to be very careful about how she portrays herself to the media.  If Brad Conway was the person who said she was angry (not sure, cuz I didn't hear it myself) then the Anthony's need to find a new lawyer, because that is just irresponsible lawyering!

I heard on NG that Cindy was a first distraught, but after she found out George was okay that she felt better, then she became sort of angry.  My way of looking at it she could be angry because of all they've had to go through and she might lose her husband on top of it: she could be "just angry" at the whole circumstance; she could be angry with Casey; she could be angry with the press; she could be angry with the protestors; BUT if she's concerned that George became more depressed after she asked him to pick out jewelry for Caylee, then what's she's probably angry about is HERSELF for making George more depressed.

Good list of possibilities, Puzzler. I'll add one more:

Cindy could have been angry at George because what he did puts more stress on her. I really think that's possible.

One time my son got lost for 20 minutes...I was scared to death, praying, making deals with God...when he was found and was safe and I then learned he had heard us calling and he was hiding I was ANGRY....this is how I took it with cin=cin being angry

[Today]

I hope that I am not barging in, but I need your help everyone.  I need to find the link for the video of the tribute to Caylee back in July or August, it showed the dolls arraneged on the ground with the plants in the background.
Can anyone help?

Thanks 

Are they the really weird ones?  If so, they are by skyzze and you can Google or UTube search.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I think you've hit on something here...JB is trying to become an icon for Hispanics...he can't do that if there is no trial.  There have been several attorneys who've said that the very best thing Baez could do for his client is to "plea" her out.  That makes sense to me with all of the evidence that's come to light and is continuing to come to light daily.  One could almost make a case that Baez is NOT doing what is best for his client. 

That's what KC gets for hiring an Hispanice (just what KC knew her mother would not like...guess that's just another layer of KC being a spiteful bitch)...

Puz, are YOU really saying that    or just referring to SinCin's disgust for Hispanics?   There are many successful Hispanic attorneys.  Bozo just happens to be one who is a BOZO, no matter if he's Hispanic, white, black, blue, green or whatever color.  I hope you were just making reference to SinCin's disgusting prejudice.

Actually, I was referring to both Cindy's prejudice and Casey's spitefulness to play on anything to spite the family.  I was being sarcastic; I was NOT dissing Hispanics.

I did not know that Cyn had that type of prejudcies Casey dated a lot of hispanics
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Cecilita,we don't know if that is true.I think that came from Casey's friend,Kiomarie.

[joesamas mama]

Not necessarily.  Her attorney was not there during other DFS visits.  Actually, 45 minutes is a rather short DFS visit.

Thanks I didn't know how long a DFS visit should last.

CFS (Child and Family Services) also performs child death reviews.  Here are the procedures for such a review: http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/publications/policies/175-17.pdf

This is from a page titled Policies and Procedures of the Florida Department of Children and Families at http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/publications/policies.shtml.  It contains links to a wealth of information about CFS in FL in how they operate.

Thanks AZ lady, I will look at these after I catch up

[SunnyinTX]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html

Sources said there were no clues into Caylee's death mentioned in the letter.

Thanks again JuJu...this is a great 'catch up'

[klaasend]

I hope that I am not barging in, but I need your help everyone.  I need to find the link for the video of the tribute to Caylee back in July or August, it showed the dolls arraneged on the ground with the plants in the background.
Can anyone help?

Thanks 

This one?  By the way I don't think there's anything to this video.  The captions on the video itself can be added at a later date than the upload video date:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrLq8omwrV4

[Sea Searcher]

when i was walkin in memphis...

soooooooo whats new on the george front TODAY? have been busy all day....

Hey.....Kim, I don't think I've seen any updates on George today..just recaps of yesterday..I did hear yesterday that he could get released as early as this afternoon but I would think that would be all over the news if he did....I'm cuious to see where he goes next.. If he's got any friends or relatives that he can stay with..I hope that's where he goes.

Did anyone hear whether or not Tim Miller visited him today ???

so ...no 72 hours ? hmmmm
wow.. are you KIDDING me? there is talk that TIM would VISIT geo?...wow..

I think the law is that he can be held UP to 72 hours but could be released as early as today.. It was either JVM or NG I heard that on last night...and I'm not sure where I heard about Tim Miller...here I think..but so much rumor has floated out there since Thursday night, I'm not sure what became of it...I had heard that NeJame & Tim were going to pay him a visit.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Sunny...thanks for that post. I am glad there is an investigation into Baez, and frankly I hope he is removed from the case. I would rather have her have a competent lawyer, and a fair trial, then have problems down the road, do it right the first time, and if it means Baez off the case, good. I have a feeling that is what is going to happen.

I was very concerned about an appeal dealing w/ ineffective assistance of counsel.  I did a little research and it appears a hard issue to win on.  My mind was eased some.

Good,then I want to see Jose go all the way with this trial.....just to see the look on Casey's face when they read that guilty verdict.She will probably pop Jose upside his head. 

[SunnyinTX]

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you have a close relationship and then the 'other' party doesn't show for an important function, doesn't call, doesn't pick up the phone? I think we can all safely say that at one time or another this has happened to us. The 'other' party does something out of character. What typically happens? We start to justify in our minds, I'm sure they are ok, I'm sure it's traffic, long lines at the grocery store, got stuck at work, etc. Surely there is a good 'explanation' for it all. After a certain amount of time passes the panic starts to set in. We start dialing more frequently, we look out the window for the familiar car to pull up, we start pacing, etc. Then the panic starts leading us down imaginary roads that almost always end up in a 'bad' situation, ie, car accident, affair, hospital, etc. 

At this point we are either planning imaginary funerals, divorces, because we 'might' be in a situation where something is really wrong. Then walks in the 'other' party, non chalant without a care in the world and we run to them, checking them for bruises, broken bones, signs of concusion. Our panic and anxiety start to dissapate and our rational and emotional side starts to take over. Ok, where HAVE you BEEN? I've been WORRIED sick! Of course we are prepared for a rational excuse. When we don't get it, what happens? We get angry. We are angry that they are so non chalant over OUR worry. How dare he/she not understand that I had imagined a tragedy equal to 9/11 befalling them. Then because we have allowed ourselves to worry and process our fears at such a fast pace and come to a conclusion at an even quicker pace, we are mad, angry, resentful because their reaction might make it seem to us as if they didn't care to pick up the phone and just call. But who are we really mad at? More than likely we are angry at ourselves because we sucked up time worrying about someone who was perfectly fine.

People who worry a lot are people who like to have control of situations. Because they do not have control, they worry because the worry consumes them. Cindy's anger could have been from any one of the things discussed. It truly depends on how much time you allow yourself to stay in panic mode, anxiety mode, fear mode that will tell you if you are a worrier. Someone told me once, why do you worry about things you cannot control? I had no answer. 

Cindy has a unique standing in this family. I haven't heard one time in all of this that she was mad at Casey. At Casey's own admission she dropped Caylee off with a 'nanny' and has no phone number, no email, no other info, for this nanny. I'm a parent and if my child told me that, I'd be very upset. I'd be like, WTH? Who raised you to be so irresponsible with your child? Add in the fact that it's been 31 days? I'd be extremely upset at my child. I would voice that anger to anyone who would listen!

We've read the coworker's reports of Cindy's behavior which is odd at best. Specifically the day when she goes to the tow yard and goes back to work. When her boss presses her to go home or call the police, she says she has a lot of work to do. You have a daughter missing, a grandaughter missing with her FAVORITE dolly in the car, a dolly she never ever leaves! You have a towed car and a daughter who has been giving you the run around when it comes to speaking to your grandchild for 31 DAYS???? AND the cherry on top, you have a car that smells like death! Add in the previous lies and betrayals that Cindy has felt at the hands of Casey and you are just going to go back to work? I can barely work when I have a hang nail but Cindy can go back to work as if she picked up her car from a mechanic? The boss presses her to call the police. Cindy's reaction is that she wants to find Casey and ask Casey what is going on. Something isn't right in this picture.

I personally think Cindy is passive agressive and co-dependent to an extreme point. She will say things here or there to whoever will listen. Her co-workers, her husband, her friends. BUT she will never confront Casey and make her accountable. However, she will complain and make comments to everyone but Casey. On the rare occassions when she does confront her, what happens, WW3 breaks out. Cindy has to state that she is the one taking care of Caylee constantly. Why would a confident person need to do this? It should be understood and apparent. This could be a form of martyrdom, which is a huge sign of the passive aggressive personality.

There were reports that Cindy was seeking counseling back in 2007 and somewhere someone had said she was planning on taking custody of Caylee per her therapist's suggestion. First of all, as a counselor it is unethical to give advice such as this. Therapists are not supposed to go around solving people's problems, they are there to listen objectively and provide a safe place to talk about very personal issues in an unbiased setting. Secondly, CPS doesn't just sign on the dottel line for a complaint that the mother has no money. It's typically a situation where the mom is on drugs or prostituting around the child and even these situations have to be proven and extreme to be able to take a child away.

So, Cindy is mad at George because her being mad at him gets him to comply with what she wants. Cindy does not get mad at Casey because it doesn't work and Casey can take Caylee and go wherever and Cindy can't do a darn thing about it. Cindy knows this. So, it wasn't a money issue that kept her from taking Caylee away from Casey, it was a FACT issue. Cindy acts like a tyrant around George because he's made his mistakes and I'm sure she hasn't let him forget them either. I really think, this is the only way she can validate herself. If it's Cindy's house, Cindy's money, Cindy's rules, Cindy's this or that, where is George's identity? George tells Cindy that the smell is pizza and she buys that? He does that to protect her. Even scarier is that she buys that excuse because she can't be accountable for her daughter. She would rather defend Casey than confront her and ask her to be accountable. Why?  Cindy is weak? Or does Cindy know something about the family dynamic that allows her to justify her co-dependant relationship with Casey? What could THAT be? Could be alcoholism, drugs, sexual abuse, etc. Who knows.

But what we know about co-dependancy shows us that Cindy can't get Casey to be an accountable person. However, it's not for the reasons you might think. If Casey becomes a responsible young adult, leaves home, gets married, has more kids, etc, then Cindy can no longer feed her own need to be the fixer. I think Cindy has come from a dysfunctional family. I haven't heard anything about her mom or dad or how she was raised, if either one of them were abusers or alcoholics or addicted to any other 'vice.'
So, why might Cindy be angry with George? Could very well be the same reason, if George gets help, she will no longer be the one person he needs and to a co-dependent, those words worse than dying.

I have included a blip from Wikiepedia on co-dependancy to help explain the behavior. I've highlighted in RED, the things that stick out when applied to Cindy's behavior.

Symptoms of co dependence are controlling behavior, distrust, perfectionism, avoidance of feelings, problems with intimacy, excessive caretaker, hyper vigilance or physical illness related to stress. Co dependence is often accompanied by clinical depression, as the co-dependent person succumbs to feelings of frustration or sadness over his or her inability to improve the situation. Co-dependency advocates claim that a co-dependent may feel shame about, or try to change, his or her most private thoughts and feelings if they conflict with those of another person. An example would be a wife making excuses for her husband's excessive drinking and perhaps defending him by calling in sick for him when he is hung over. Such behaviors, which may well lessen conflict and ease tension within the family in the short term, are counterproductive in the long term, since, in this case, the wife is actually supporting ("enabling") the husband's drinking behavior. So, sometimes, the co-dependent is referred to as an "enabler." It is also worth noting that since the wife in this case is dependent on the husband's alcoholic behavior, she may actually feel disturbed, disoriented or threatened if she sees clearly that he is emerging from his dependence; the threat to her position as a confidante and needed loved one might lead her unconsciously to resist the husband's steps towards recovery. Similarly, a co-dependent parent might resist his or her child's steps toward independence; whether early or late in life.

Thanks...lost of info to think about......I am not sure what cin-cin is other than a very angry, unhappy person...and has been this way for a L O N G time.....I think her only happiness was Caylee....and she can't accept that Caylee is gone and casey DID IT!!  JMO

[KarmaRoundUp]

I dont want to talk about suicide again today.  Yesterday after talking about it, I went out and bought every snack food known to man.  Today, I might get out that brand new Dillards card that has been burning a hole in my pocket, and tommorrow, who knows, maybe planes and boats.   

OK,yeah,I give up.No more suicide talk.Think I will just go the way of many and just stick to posting off topic on a missing/murdered child's forum.Have a great day you all.

I really wish you would not leave, I enjoy your posts.

Thank you NoRose,I'm not leaving....I'm much too stubborn for that. 

Karma, you have been here too long to be run off..... good to see you!

Hi Cubbee
Good to see you too sweety.I'm here for the long haul  

Big up to Detroit!

LOL...yay Detroit!   

Hello fellow Detroit Monkeys
I am a Detroiter myself 

I was out of the cage but I am from just north of Detroit - Flint area! Yall are welcome to come up to my hubby's restaurant for a monkey convention any time!

Might take you up on that as soon as the snow clears  

[SunnyinTX]

Sunny...thanks for that post. I am glad there is an investigation into Baez, and frankly I hope he is removed from the case. I would rather have her have a competent lawyer, and a fair trial, then have problems down the road, do it right the first time, and if it means Baez off the case, good. I have a feeling that is what is going to happen.

same here.....I want her to have a fair trial...I do not want any chance of a mistrial or an appeal....and I suspect by the judge ordering her to be in court...so does he. And I think that might be the motivator behind the prosecutions request that she be there in the beginning,

[joesamas mama]

Hey Boo.  Is that JSM getting bit?   

YELP!  I thought it was a Boo Boo Kiss.