Natalee Case Discussion #796 1/27/09 - 1/30/09

[Anna]

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."

[Kermit]

#889 on: Today at 09:27:03 AM   KLAAS
Did Kermit ever say specifically they were SS, FBI or CIA?  Serious question, I really don't know
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.880

ANSWER: NO

I said: "I have met 4 living presidents.
I said: "I have worked on high profile cases"
I said: "I have been involved in bringing down a U.S. President."

vms
SS
Idstlou
Hotshot
their LEAK


are ALL mistaken or purposely lying for their own agenda.

vms lied about me accused me of posting a picture of Lorenzo that was Slipnot. FaithMS actually found and posted the picture and verified that. vms never acknowledged that fact.
Instead, vms continues to lie and stated to me on SM that she doesn't trust me because I used the nic Hope
and changed it to Kermit. I had no choice, but change my nic because Robin Holloway used my nic at BFN (I was told). I tried to sign up their with the same nic. I am not sure what that constitues distrust in her when she told me she uses the nic: just asking.
Then vms accused me of posting a dead link to Lorenzos tickle site. As though I had control over him deleting his own tickle site.
I think anyone with eyes can see vms hatred and agenda towards me. It's pretty obvious and says more about her and her group of buddies then anything I have ever done or said.

Idstlou said I was a liar because I did not have emails from lalasmom.
When I posted a screen shot as proof, she then said it was a screen shot of a header.
At least she recognized what it was. lol
She also stated that I said I received the email. I never said that either. I posted proof of their LEAK. But she continues to call me the liar.

SS,
accused me and Janet of malicious and intentional injury to her and posting CAPS REAL NAME.
We both asked her several times to show us where that information was posted. She refused
and then came back with some report on me and how I lied about being a Secret Service agent.


This is how these posters attack me rather then bring proof of the RV Persistence, John Silvetti, Louis Schafer, and CAPS' information that THEY SAID in their own words. Bring forth information/proof of these facts or crawl back into their hole!

[Keepthefaith]

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”

Kyle said: "We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap."


These three statements tell the tale!

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”


Did Kyle say the above or not?

 

Anna ... I cannot believe you asked that question.  Are you doubting the integrity of jen, Wingnut and Kermit.

Janet

[Kermit]

I would like to know if ANY diver of any nationality was allowed to dive on the trap and take samples, any one that did not dive from and return to the ALE police boat.  Anyone who took samples that were not given directly to ALE and only to ALE.

For me, that's the problem.

Caps posted a rebuttal to Kermit on Dec. 3, 2008 and stated that he'd been to the cage site the week before.  How he or anyone else outside of ALE or Persistence crew would know where it was is a question.  Whether anything was taken or touched in the past year, before or during the search another question.

Caps post, here, midway on the page:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4182.msg564838;topicseen#msg564838

Yes CAPS had the nerve to email a greif stricken father, Dave Holloway and told him she was buried in the cemetery. And you know what Dave's response was. We searched the cemetery.
Common sense goes a long ways imo.

[Kermit]

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”


Did Kyle say the above or not?

 

Anna ... I cannot believe you asked that question.  Are you doubting the integrity of jen, Wingnut and Kermit.

Janet

Kyle said it.

[Keepthefaith]

#889 on: Today at 09:27:03 AM   KLAAS
Did Kermit ever say specifically they were SS, FBI or CIA?  Serious question, I really don't know
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.880

ANSWER: NO

I said: "I have met 4 living presidents.
I said: "I have worked on high profile cases"
I said: "I have been involved in bringing down a U.S. President."

vms
SS
Idstlou
Hotshot
their LEAK


are ALL mistaken or purposely lying for their own agenda.

vms lied about me accused me of posting a picture of Lorenzo that was Slipnot. FaithMS actually found and posted the picture and verified that. vms never acknowledged that fact.
Instead, vms continues to lie and stated to me on SM that she doesn't trust me because I used the nic Hope
and changed it to Kermit. I had no choice, but change my nic because Robin Holloway used my nic at BFN (I was told). I tried to sign up their with the same nic. I am not sure what that constitues distrust in her when she told me she uses the nic: just asking.
Then vms accused me of posting a dead link to Lorenzos tickle site. As though I had control over him deleting his own tickle site.
I think anyone with eyes can see vms hatred and agenda towards me. It's pretty obvious and says more about her and her group of buddies then anything I have ever done or said.

Idstlou said I was a liar because I did not have emails from lalasmom.
When I posted a screen shot as proof, she then said it was a screen shot of a header.
At least she recognized what it was. lol
She also stated that I said I received the email. I never said that either. I posted proof of their LEAK. But she continues to call me the liar.

SS,
accused me and Janet of malicious and intentional injury to her and posting CAPS REAL NAME.
We both asked her several times to show us where that information was posted. She refused
and then came back with some report on me and how I lied about being a Secret Service agent.


This is how these posters attack me rather then bring proof of the RV Persistence, John Silvetti, Louis Schafer, and CAPS' information that THEY SAID in their own words. Bring forth information/proof of these facts or crawl back into their hole!

In time i have a feeling that the list will grow just a tad!

[Nut44x4]

I'm back 

[Keepthefaith]

copy,paste,copy,paste,copy,paste,copy!Must be the fight song for CnG.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I'm back 

   I must go out in 20 degree weather and let our beloved pet do her thing.  I may be back to assist in getting there.  Thanks, Nut.

[Anna]

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #544 on: February 29, 2008, 12:28:32 AM » 

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Quote from: ******* on February 29, 2008, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: coolhand on February 29, 2008, 12:00:09 AM
Maybe Mr Schafer can sell the television rights to the remainder of the search to one of the networks so they can raise enough money to finish the search,  and possibly recoup his own money.  Any thoughts?

Quote *******...

Welcome to the cage coolhand! I am sure Mr.Schafer,The Family and everyone involved by now has looked at all measures to conclude the mission but your idea is a good one. Hopefully a Ross Perot type as stepped up to the plate so the Persistence can finish what they started.
[/quote

Quote Kyle...

This is a very good idea.  We've been working on that for a couple weeks.  I've personally been handling the matter while I was on the east coast last week.  Unfortunately, the Dateline story aired along with Greta and scooped up the remainder of what the press felt was immediately worth reporting on.  I can't blame them.  It's business.  Definitely shot that down though.  Move on.  Deal with it. Stay the course.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357222#msg357222
 
 
 
 

[Keepthefaith]

copy,paste,copy,paste,copy,paste,copy!Must be the fight song for CnG.

Back to the hidey-hole.HEY.Back to the hidey-hole.HEY............

[Tamikosmom]

I believe that sometime between the discovery of the cage and the December 30th dive that ALE become actively involved and ... John Silvetti was provided with an incentive to take a back seat ... look the other way as far as being a participant in the recovery efforts.

However ... Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller became problems.  They had both seen the ROV images and ... Kyle Kingman whose professional expertise encompasses analysing ROV images had determined Natalee Holloway remains could possibly be in that cage/trap.

Janet

_____

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:  John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

[Kermit]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

[sharon]

Kyle said: " We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.”

Kyle said: "The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.”


Did Kyle say the above or not?

YES

DEFINITELY

ABSOLUTELY

UNQUESTIONABLY

.

[Keepthefaith]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

  You have got to be kidding! 

[Kermit]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

  You have got to be kidding! 

No I am not kidding in the slightest.

[sharon]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

 


Stay vigilant and safe, my dear green friend.

I'm sorry that the dark side has not found a new game yet

[bc73]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

Kermit, could you please stay logged on, because as soon as you come by discussions pick up, theories get worked on, and all the B.S comes to an end from the Bitch@Moan "invitees"....

[Keepthefaith]

VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday.

Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too.

  You have got to be kidding! 

No I am not kidding in the slightest.

Lord Have mercy!These people.Are they American?Seriously.