Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #380 on: January 31, 2009, 11:31:23 AM »

Quote from: Blonde on January 31, 2009, 10:49:08 AM

Now off to see my Mom.

Please keep us updated Blonde.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #381 on: January 31, 2009, 11:32:36 AM »

Thanks Janet - that rules out frozen condom testing in Oct 2005


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #382 on: January 31, 2009, 11:33:28 AM »

Quote from: ldstlou on January 31, 2009, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: Kermit on January 31, 2009, 04:41:55 AM

ARUBA COVER-UP

Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500
Idstlou said: ”Sceen shots were sent daily as intructed by the FBI agents in charge, and the footage was turned over at the first opportunity.” http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.540
Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: “I know that there were members of Quantico on board. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.580

"Klye: I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760

Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 05:46:43 PM
I stated that posters have said part of your credibility stems from taking down a president and working beside two others. I simply asked them to elaborate. You don't have to tell me a thing if you don't want to.

Why do you want personal information on Kermit?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420

POOP SUIT ALERT

LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
<snip>
FBI did not know about it..."

Kyle was contacted by the FBI AFTER Freebirds sent the evidence/information to them.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420

CAPS HAS 4 COMPUTERS:
My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.120

CAPS POSTED:
Got an email today from DH, why took so long?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.160

I would like to know why on February 7, Caps is talking about this witness on scared monkeys,
this is the witness that would only talk to John through his lawyer, fear of reprisal, but yet Caps feels it's okay to tell the world about him on February 7!

Really Kermit? Really? as my brother would say!
You are going to keep this charade up?

Because I have seen what I believe to be irrefutable evidence that you posted pics of a family member of yours here at SM and insinuated that those pics were of yourself...correct me please if I am wrong on this please.

If this is true, did your the family member know you were doing this and approve?

If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you.
But if I am not wrong, then your integrity has been compromised.
If I am not wrong, then you did the misleading.
If I am not wrong, and you are capable of posting pics of a family family on a public forum and insinuating they are pics of yourself, then you are capable of taking Kyle's words out of context and creating a conspiracy theory involving the crew members of the Persistence, people who devoted a lot of their own time, energy and money to search for Natalee at the request of Tim Miler and Dave Holloway.
If I am not wrong, then I believe you are also capable of falsely accusing people of assisting the ALE by sending them info from the pro-Natalee boards with no proof other than "your word".

All of this is just my humble opinion of course.

I do hope that I am wrong.

I am off to the Travel Show.
No Justice for Natalee, No Tourists for Aruba!

LDSLOU,

You've made it abundantly clear that you believe Kermit is a fraud. I respect your right to that opinion. Now could you sjow the same respect for those of us to believe her to actually discuss the case by scrolling past what you don't believe and stop disruption all discussions other than how you feel about Kermit?


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #383 on: January 31, 2009, 11:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 31, 2009, 01:22:28 AM

DISCREPANCIES

From here to Aruba
BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

TIM MILLER - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008

I've been trying to put this together for 2 1/2 years. Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti. (3:40)

Video:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/

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From here to Aruba
BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #384 on: January 31, 2009, 11:35:06 AM »

Quote from: klaasend on January 31, 2009, 11:32:36 AM

Thanks Janet - that rules out frozen condom testing in Oct 2005


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #385 on: January 31, 2009, 11:43:37 AM »

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

One more sleep and ... Daughter, SIL and four grandkids (5-10) return from a two week holiday to see Mickey and Minnie in Orlando, Floriday.

I have missed them soooo much ... especially the kids. Their beautiful voices on the phone does not suffice.

Have a good day all!

Janet
8:45 AM PT


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #386 on: January 31, 2009, 11:48:08 AM »

Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 31, 2009, 11:43:37 AM

GOOD MORNING MONKEYS!! GOOD MORNING ZOOKEEPERS!!

One more sleep and ... Daughter, SIL and four grandkids (5-10) return from a two week holiday to see Mickey and Minnie in Orlando, Floriday.

I have missed them soooo much ... especially the kids. Their beautiful voices on the phone does not suffice.

Have a good day all!

Janet
8:45 AM PT

Good morning Janet!

I hope you have a great day!


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #387 on: January 31, 2009, 11:58:55 AM »

O/T posted in the Caylee thread:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MO1SvN9ygh4&hl=en&fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/MO1SvN9ygh4&hl=en&fs=1</a>


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #388 on: January 31, 2009, 12:03:55 PM »

Quote from: Ree on January 31, 2009, 11:33:28 AM

Quote from: ldstlou on January 31, 2009, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: Kermit on January 31, 2009, 04:41:55 AM

ARUBA COVER-UP

Not that it matters and only for the record: I always believed that the frog was a fraud to.
To me the latest developments confirm my suspicions. JMHO


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #389 on: January 31, 2009, 12:08:20 PM »

Ree,

Great suggestion for ldstlou, but don't count on her following it.

Several monkeys have pointed out to her that Kermit is not alone in verifying the information that has been presented. She continues to attempt to discredit Kermit in an attempt to make the information invalid. Since that obviously isn't working, she adds a silly picture to her post as a further attack on Kermit. She does not even mention the others who have verified the information that Kermit has presented.

The agenda is obvious; personal attack on Kermit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420

Kermit's response to ldstlou:

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #427 on: January 02, 2009, 05:53:16 PM »

And as I stated before. I am not going to give you my resume'.
And I'm not asking for yours either.

I am here and have been here since the beginning for Justice in the Natalee Holloway case.
Believe what I have posted or do not - of course it's yours and anyone else's choice. I ain't forcing no one to do anything or beelive anything.
BUT I am just telling you as well as 5 other Freebirds, we have no reason to lie to you. Nor have we.
Bringing Natalee home is the goal. Nothing else.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #390 on: January 31, 2009, 12:11:57 PM »

Quote from: bastibro on January 31, 2009, 12:03:55 PM

Quote from: Ree on January 31, 2009, 11:33:28 AM

Quote from: ldstlou on January 31, 2009, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: Kermit on January 31, 2009, 04:41:55 AM

ARUBA COVER-UP

Not that it matters and only for the record: I always believed that the frog was a fraud to.
To me the latest developments confirm my suspicions. JMHO

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #679 on: November 20, 2008, 06:10:15 PM »

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"I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual. He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned."

This is a quote from KYLE(OE)


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #391 on: January 31, 2009, 12:16:26 PM »

Bastibro

"Not that it matters and only for the record: I always believed that the frog was a fraud to.
To me the latest developments confirm my suspicions. JMHO"

KEEPTHEFAITH

Kermit is very good,as well as methodical!I stand with the Frog!


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #392 on: January 31, 2009, 12:18:40 PM »

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste....

Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's got the grunt work today for CnG?Raise your hand!


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #393 on: January 31, 2009, 12:23:49 PM »

Earth to Kermit haters:

Once again, Kermit is NOT the instigator here -- only the MESSENGER. Kyle relayed EVERYTHING Kermit is REPORTING to ALL of the Freebirds. Kermit is the one who was brave enough to bring the WORDS OF KYLE to light. The other Freebirds have ALL confirmed what Kermit has brought over.
Dismiss Kermit (and her motives) all you want -- it doesn't change one thing! To dismiss Kermit -- you must dismiss ALL the Freeebirds. Is that what you are telling us?????


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #394 on: January 31, 2009, 12:29:43 PM »

Quote from: bastibro on January 31, 2009, 12:03:55 PM

Not that it matters and only for the record: I always believed that the frog was a fraud to.
To me the latest developments confirm my suspicions. JMHO

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #679 on: November 20, 2008, 10:10:15 PM »

I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual. He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551217;topicseen#msg551217

JEN - THE NATALEE FREEBIRDS

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.

During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us. During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.

Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.

The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.

Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.

Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help. He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents. Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family.

This was March 18, 2008. At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.

We later found that to be false.

Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage. Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.

We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.

This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.

Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.

During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.

We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.

Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.

When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.

At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.

The next step was to publish this information at our blog.

One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.

That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.

He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.

We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.

At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.

Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.

Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.

Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.

Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.

Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.

Regards,

Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #395 on: January 31, 2009, 12:29:54 PM »

Quote from: wreck on January 31, 2009, 12:23:49 PM

wreck....nice, clear and right to the point....thank you.....


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #396 on: January 31, 2009, 12:30:16 PM »

Quote from: wreck on January 31, 2009, 12:23:49 PM

LOGIC DICTATES..............


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #397 on: January 31, 2009, 12:30:43 PM »

You all have told us WHY you hate Kermit --- tell us WHY you believe Kyle and Caps.


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« Reply #398 on: January 31, 2009, 12:35:22 PM »

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #796 1/27/09 -on: January 29, 2009, 10:16:37 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4448.msg651440;topicseen#msg651440

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Growing Frustration in Aruba
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html

Art Wood
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July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

I've spent this morning at http://www.hollowaycase.com and my heart is so heavy it literally aches.

I'm ready for Aruba to close the case before anymore evidence turns up for them to destroy, discredit or deport. We have a better chance with our own State Dept., US Attorneys and FBI than we will ever, ever have with Aruba.

I'm also terribly grateful for the Dr. Phil lawsuit. I hope it continues to drag on as that may be the only catalyst to prevent all the files being destroyed when the case is closed.

Justice will never come from Aruba. Never. Never.

Close the case, Aruba. Close the case.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 -

« Reply #399 on: January 31, 2009, 12:36:05 PM »

I really think the best thing to do is ignore ldstlou.
I know it is hard to ignore the nasty things she says,
But the CnG people have sent her here with an agenda
to disrupt. She doesn't comprehend what any of us
have to reply. Maybe she isn't capable of comprehending.
Let her do her drive by and just pretend it isn't happening.


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