Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 - 2/1/09

[Lifesong]

I find it very telling that they stayed for 4 months and the only human dive was the one done on the cage, which Silvetti & Trehan claim contained nothing.

[Keepthefaith]

I find it very telling that they stayed for 4 months and the only human dive was the one done on the cage, which Silvetti & Trehan claim contained nothing.

Exactly Lifesong!Good thinking!

[Anna]

Amen Anna

Just thought I'd sign in, don't want to be perceived as a 'guest' 

Kermit, I want to apologize for all the slings and defamations against you, if others don't have the maturity to do so.

ldstlou, why don't you speak with Beth? If you are so determined to speak only with family and feel it's your inalienable right to do so - then speak with Beth please.

I frankly am tiring of seeing Natalee's family drug into this day after day after day.....but whatever you kids want.

Nonsie, I don't know why you keep wanting to jump me? You and I have always gotten along. First you tell me not to bother the family, then you tell me to call Beth. Do you just want to give me a hard time and if so why?

I know Jug enough to be able to ask him about the Persistence. I asked him and he answered. Why does that bother you?

Maybe it's how you got to know Jug that may be bothersome or uncomfortable for many of us.  I, personally, would not contact a family member directly.  jmo

Have no idea what you are talking about nor will I address this. If there is a rumor you have heard and want me to address, just send me an e-mail...but other than that..won't address slander or inuendo.
I am late...library duty calls.

Oh, you WISH!

No, there is absolutely NO RUMOR but basic manners and appropriate behavior involved.  But I guess there is no way to explain that.  Either you realize and know what is appropriate or you don't.  Most adults do. 

How about we each one call up the family every time we can think of an excuse or even to referee our internet squabbles?

Haven't they been through enough?  Do they all have to change their numbers?  I'm sure they would be very reluctant to do that since they have given those numbers to people who might actually have information for them. 

[nonesuche]

Hugs back Janet......

You are such a good proofreader, please know I meant those who continue to slam Kermit's words, life, occupation, person - certainly not those of you who have always been supportive of Kermit.

No tall europeans yet.......can't say I'm looking but may I have some of your divine shoofly pie?

 

[Anna]

2NJ said:

Anna, are you saying those of us here do not have clear heads?   


LOL!  You got me on that one.   

I should have said additional clear heads instead of more clear heads.  Yes, I do think it would help now to have additional clear heads.  To go with those already here, that is.

[nonesuche]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

[Tamikosmom]

THE PRODICAL SON

Luke 15:11-32 (NLT):

11 To illustrate the point further, Jesus told them this story: “A man had two sons.

12 The younger son told his father, ‘I want my share of your estate now before you die.’ So his father agreed to divide his wealth between his sons.

13 A few days later this younger son packed aLL his belongings and moved to a distant land, and there he wasted his money in wild living.

14 About the time his money ran out, a great famine swept over the land, and he began to starve.

15 He persuaded a local farmer to hire him, and the man sent him into his fields to feed the pigs.

16 The young man became so hungry that even the pods he was feeding the pigs looked good to him.  But no one gave him anything.

17 When he fina!y came to his senses, he said to himself, ‘At home even the hired
servants have food enough to spare, and here I am dying of hunger!

18 I will go home to my father and say, 'Father, I have sinned against both heaven and you,

19 and I am no longer worthy of being ca!ed your son. Please take me on as a
hired servant.'

20 So he returned home to his father. And while he was still a long way off, his
father saw him coming. Filled with love and compassion, he ran to his son,
embraced him, and kissed him.

21 His son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against both heaven and you, and I am no longer worthy of being called your son.’

22 But his father said to the servants, ‘Quick! Bring the finest robe in the house
and put it on him. Get a ring for his finger and sandals for his feet.

23 And kill the calf we have been fattening. We must celebrate with a feast, 24 for this son of mine was dead and has now returned to life. He was lost, but now he is found.’

So the party began.

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[Ree]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

[nonesuche]

Thank you Ree, I appreciate your insight very much.

[Keepthefaith]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

And.Why is that?

[Ree]

Thank you Ree, I appreciate your insight very much.

It's good to see you back again.

[Ree]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

And.Why is that?

IMHO somebody at CnG is feeding her crap.  She obviously isn't answering them all herself, because it appears she's not even reading the whole message she's responding too.  Shame, because I liked her.

[Tamikosmom]

Hugs back Janet......

You are such a good proofreader, please know I meant those who continue to slam Kermit's words, life, occupation, person - certainly not those of you who have always been supportive of Kermit.

No tall europeans yet.......can't say I'm looking but may I have some of your divine shoofly pie?

 

Sorry.  No can do.

By mistake ... I fed Kermit's Grandma's Shoofly Shoo Pie to my eldest son's French Canadian inlaws the other evening rather than my strawberry/rhubarb pie.  They wolfed down their first slice and ... requested seconds.

I assume that a nationality that considers frog legs cooked in a wine sauce as a delicacy will eat anything.

 

Hey ... to clarify ... I think this couple is just great ... even if I have to share my beautifuly two year old grandson with them.  I hate sharing.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

And.Why is that?

IMHO somebody at CnG is feeding her crap.  She obviously isn't answering them all herself, because it appears she's not even reading the whole message she's responding too.  Shame, because I liked her.

Me too!

 

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

And.Why is that?

IMHO somebody at CnG is feeding her crap.  She obviously isn't answering them all herself, because it appears she's not even reading the whole message she's responding too.  Shame, because I liked her.

If she is friends with anyone at CnG that is self-explanatory to me.After Kermit posting that people are sending personal information to Aruba is dispicable to say the least.If you are going to associate yourself with such behaviour.You get NO respect from me!That's just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

[nonesuche]

Thank you Ree, I appreciate your insight very much.

It's good to see you back again.

Thank you Ree and thank you for trying to keep the work here honest too. 

[Lifesong]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

I appreciate that some posters have formed "real life" friendships and relationships over the course of this case, and I have a healthy respect and affection for really all but a few (SandraK, BonDia, etc.) of the familiar screennames that have posted here all along or post here now. 

That said, I only ever came here for Natalee so I don't have a problem calling it like I see it.

This stuff is all about people supporting an ex-monkey (whoever the "Leader" is at C&G, I guess) who is either off their meds or has run amuck on a twisted power-trip over the internet.  My suggestion would be if you actually care for this person to get them some help - away from their computer.  Feeding this person's ego can not be healthy. 

Next time anyone calls Jug or Dave or any other family member - why don't you explain to them how copying SM posts into the hidey hole and obsessing over what's going on over here is helping Natalee.

While you're at it, you can send all of our info to Aruba if it makes you feel important.  Print out all of our posts and FedEx them for all I care.  They are just using you and laughing at you behind your backs.

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

2NJ said:

Anna, are you saying those of us here do not have clear heads?   


LOL!  You got me on that one.   

I should have said additional clear heads instead of more clear heads.  Yes, I do think it would help now to have additional clear heads.  To go with those already here, that is.

    I agree.  It was made in jest.  You have said often, what someone posts can be interpreted many different ways.  (you see it your way, I see it mine) This can be a good thing, new ideas and questions come forth, people can agree or disagree. 

It is also good to walk away for a little bit.....I just tried that, because being misinterpreted was affecting my response. 

[nonesuche]

Hugs back Janet......

You are such a good proofreader, please know I meant those who continue to slam Kermit's words, life, occupation, person - certainly not those of you who have always been supportive of Kermit.

No tall europeans yet.......can't say I'm looking but may I have some of your divine shoofly pie?

 

Sorry.  No can do.

By mistake ... I fed Kermit's Grandma's Shoofly Shoo Pie to my eldest son's French Canadian inlaws the other evening rather than my strawberry/rhubarb pie.  They wolfed down their first slice and ... requested seconds.

I assume that a nationality that considers frog legs cooked in a wine sauce as a delicacy will eat anything.

 

Hey ... to clarify ... I think this couple is just great ... even if I have to share my beautifuly two year old grandson with them.  I hate sharing.

 

Janet

No pie?   

I think now I'll have to make some cupcakes........I made Cat Cora's lasagna last night and I think it rivaled frog legs 

[Tamikosmom]

ldstlou

My intent is not to "jump you". My intent is to simply state if you feel you must speak with the family that it might be best to contact Beth. You have Jug's opinion but does he speak for Beth? I don't know that answer.

Like Anna and NJ Son's Mom indicated, if it were me, I would not be calling or emailing the family about every inch of this debate. That is my personal choice and yes, you and I differ in that regard.

Agreeing to disagree is what adults do. I did not insult or jump you.

None,

I believe the problem is those who no longer want to be here also don't want to allow us to have or voice our own opinions.  Mention Kyle and Kermit and here they come.  I don't know what LDSLou's role in this is.  I have no problem with her opinions, but she cannot seem to allow us to have a discussion about ours without bashing Kermit.

And.Why is that?

IMHO somebody at CnG is feeding her crap.  She obviously isn't answering them all herself, because it appears she's not even reading the whole message she's responding too.  Shame, because I liked her.

If she is friends with anyone at CnG that is self-explanatory to me.After Kermit posting that people are sending personal information to Aruba is dispicable to say the least.If you are going to associate yourself with such behaviour.You get NO respect from me!That's just my opinion!

KEEPTHEFAITH

THE PRODICAL SON
Luke 15:11-32 (NLT):

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Keepthefaith

I don't condone but I understand how some can be influenced.

When my eldest son was in his late teens ... it was all about friends ... friends that influenced him that his parents were controlling and ... his welling-being was not their utmost concern.  With a heavy heart ... at the age of 21 ... he was asked to leave the home.

It did not happen over night but ... over a period of time he did grow a brain ... over a period of time he did mature ... over a period of time his relationship strengthened with his famiy  and ... over a period of time he came to his senses and ... returned to the those whose prayers for this young man continued without ceasing. 

I do not understand.  However ... many Monkeys at CnG are not trolls.  From the getgo ... they have stood behind the contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing.  They have stood behind a family who has been forced to ride an ongoing roller coaster from H--- ... compliments of the "powers that be" in Aruba.

Keepthefaith ... challenging the lies encompassing the current positions of these CnG members is crucial but ... the door must be kept open for them to return to the cage.  I believe with all my heart that something akin to the Prodical Son of the Scriptures ... something akin to my prodical son ... some CnG Natalee Holloway members will come to their senses.

IMO

Janet