Natalee Case Discussion #797 1/30/09 - 2/1/09

[Seamonkey]

[Keepthefaith]

Copy,paste,copy,paste,copy,paste!

Back to the hidey-hole.HEY!Back to the Hide-holey.Hey!!!!

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle`s own words were ripped off their context by her. That`s my answer to you and to Janet.

sincerely, Bastian.

Please share how you know that Kermit posted Kyle Kingman's post out context, bastibro.  As far as I am aware ... all Kyle Kingman's posts with related IP Numbers have been shared with Beth Holloway, FBI and John Kelly and ... are archived for safe keeping.

Kermit did not lie.  Jen did not lie.

bastibro ... I have posted along side of Jen and Kermit since way back and ... granted we have had our issues at times but ... I stand behind their integrity 100%.  All of Jen and Kermit's afforded time and effort researching this case has been about exposing the corrupt Aruban investion that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo as well as ... supporting the family as they have been forced to ride the ongoing roller coaster from H--- ... compliments of Aruba.

Silence from Kermit ... silence from Jen ... silence from the rest of the Natalee's Freebirds' flock ... would have implied that John Silvetti was being abetted in the finale to the great Aruban coverup.

Janet

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klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

Please feel free (if you'd like) to post this at your board.
 
During the journey of the Persistence to Aruba, Kyle reached out and emailed with us.  During that time, one of the questions posed to him was regarding protocol if/when Natalee's remains were found.
 
Kyle's response was that he was unsure, but felt that would be settled before the search began.
 
The cautions were given to him about the lack of integrity on the part of Aruba's law enforcement, prosecutor's office, and its judiciary.
 
Contact with Kyle continued throughout the duration of the search by the Persistence.
 
Once back home, Kyle asked us for our help.  He was very concerned about the activities that transpired during their search - specifically surrounding the find of the fishing cage and its contents.  Kyle wanted our help in presenting this information in a factual way, to then be given to Natalee's family. 
 
This was March 18, 2008.  At that time, Kyle assured us he had just recently sent the images from the Dec 30th and Jan 7th dives to the FBI, but had never received a response from them.
 
We later found that to be false.
 
Also at that time, Beth's brother saw the images Kyle had shared with us - but none of the detail he shared later.

We compiled the images Kyle presented us, along with his opinions and the facts surrounding the sequence of events regarding that fishing cage.  Kyle stated he would be getting in touch with Beth Holloway.
 
We later found out that never happened.

At this time, Kyle shared with us the broadcast networks he had approached in February, in an attempt to sell these images to the highest bidder.
 
This didn't concern us greatly at that time - as we were under the impression US law enforcement and Natalee's family had already been made aware of their find.
 
Approximately May 2008 Kyle began dodging questions for details (we had asked for names of Aruban police and divers to be included in our documentation of these events), hedging on moving forward with this, and then he completely disappeared from our board.
 
During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
At that point, we gave it to John Kelly, Carmen Adams with the FBI, and got it ready for public consumption.
 
The next step was to publish this information at our blog.
 
One of our members felt we were betraying Kyle in doing so, contacted him, and he re-surfaced at our site with threats of litigation against us - stating this was his "intellectual property" and we could not use it.
 
That of course concerned us greatly - as none of us could afford to be sued.
 
He also stated at that time, Luis Shaefer had just recently sold the rights of the video of these images to a broadcast company for the purposes of a documentary.
 
We contacted legal counsel and were advised to keep our distance from any Persistence crew member, in the face of potential obstruction/accessory charges.
 
At this point, one of our members decided to brace for the possibility of civil litigation, resigned from our membership to protect it from same, and posted what he knows to be factual at SM.
 
Kyle did tell us human remains were found in that fish cage.
 
Kyle did tell us about John Silvetti's intent to open an office on the island of Aruba, to enable him ease in conducting business in South America, and Aruba.
 
Kyle also told us of John's absolute refusal to give that fish cage and its contents any credence - before even it was inspected on Jan 7th.
 
Kyle told us in no uncertain terms that Tim Miller and Dateline were abruptly removed from the Persistence on Dec 30, resulting in only Persistence crew being aboard between that date and the Jan 7 dive of the Arubans.
 
Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349
 

[bastibro]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

Did you Klaas? Well, show me one post from me at BNH and show everyone that i`m a liar!!!
I`m sure you can`t. I also didn`t aspect this from you
But hey, that`s how we get to know eachother, i guess . .

And Magnolia, maybe you should get back to knit some goat-wool socks, that`s what you`re real good at

[Keepthefaith]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

Did you Klaas? Well, show me one post from me at BNH and show everyone that i`m a liar!!!
I`m sure you can`t. I also didn`t aspect this from you
But hey, that`s how we get to know eachother, i guess . .

And Magnolia, maybe you should get back to knit some goat-wool socks, that`s what you`re real good at

Keep attacking Bastian.That's all you have?

[Tamikosmom]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

 

[San]

These are the perpetrators in this case:



Caps, OE and even Kermit were/are just trying to get to the truth.
The problem is that some people having difficulties to stay humble and that they enjoy the fact that some people make them to important, unfortunately(and i exclude Kyle here)

1.Kermit-posted nothing but the truth backed up by the Freebirds,as well as Kyle!
2.Kyle-Potentially an accessory to obstruction of justice.Backed up by his own words,as well as actions.
3.CapsLockWizard-Has posted many false statements regarding this case!

And you call Kermit the fraud!

Kyle(OE)

"I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual.  He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned."

Kyle is vouching for Kermit in his own words Bastibro.What say you??

KTF...I'm sure Bastibro will be right back He just had to go ask someone how to answer...

I haven't seen anyone challenge Kermit's post's with any fact's or substance.I will stand with the frog all day!

I haven't seen one spec of evidence posted that Kermit is lying.  People say I have seen.  What haven they actually seen and why aren't they posting it.  Obviously they are speaking to someone who was a Freebird (LEAK).  Post the damn proof if they have it.  They won't because they don't have it and if they do post something at this time do you think I am going to trust what they post after all that was said and done.   COWARDS.

[always 1]

SO, hows Brinkmans investigation going?  Or was that just a bunch of hot air?

Appears to have been hot air or stopped in it's tracks. 

Stopped in it's track!!

You are really feared/respected Klaas.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has nightmares regarding the "red botton".

 

Janet

What's a red botton????

A red botton is what is awarded to the monkey with the highest number of inane posts at the end of each year.

Hmmm, I dont know you very well, when I see your avi, I think of the beautiful post you made to Peaches when she left our world.

[Artcolley]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

Did you Klaas? Well, show me one post from me at BNH and show everyone that i`m a liar!!!
I`m sure you can`t. I also didn`t aspect this from you
But hey, that`s how we get to know eachother, i guess . .

And Magnolia, maybe you should get back to knit some goat-wool socks, that`s what you`re real good at

Wow!!!  Goat Wool Socks? I KNEW I liked Magnolia!!! She must be a very talented woman! Those are gorgeous...better known as Cashmere or Mohair , as I am sure you know, Bastibro

BTW,What are YOUR talents?

[klaasend]

http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/2601/HPI_in_Aruba_In_Search_of_Natalee_Holloway_Part_1

HPI in Aruba: In Search of Natalee Holloway Part 1
by Paul Roberts, published on January 20, 2009 at 7:07PM
Storyline: Paul Dale Roberts: Chronicles of a Ghostwriter/Ghosthunter  Community Tags: dale holloway natalee paul roberts
To see pictures from Aruba, please click on this link:
http://s459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/HPI_International/HPIAruba/
Now, are you ready for the story? You are? Cool, let's go...

This is the start of my vacation. The day is 12 January 2009. I am headed for Aruba. I stop at Shannon 'Ms. Macabre' McCabe's home, she has offered to drive me to the airport. I tell Shannon, that is really nice that you will drive me to Oakland. She exclaims...Oakland? I thought you were flying out of Sacramento? Paul: No, I said Oakland. Shannon: I can't go to Oakland, I am sorry, I thought you were flying out of Sacramento. Paul: Don't worry about it Shannon, I can get to Oakland by myself. Shannon: I am really sorry man. Paul: Don't sweat it, just make sure to watch my dogs HPI and Pika. Rukesh Kumar, my neighbor will be watching them too, I am glad you and Rukesh have met. Shannon: Don't worry about the dogs Paul, I will even walk them!

Now you are probably wondering why I am headed over to Aruba. I am headed over to Aruba for pleasure and to investigate the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Quick History Lesson on Aruba:
The wind-swept island of Aruba was discovered and claimed for Spain in 1499, later acquired by the Dutch in 1636. Aruba was once part of the Netherlands Antilles, but they withdrew and subsequently became an independent member of the kingdom of the Netherlands. At one time oil refining and even gold mining was the major industry in Aruba, but when tourists discovered this island, things for Arubians changed and it changed for the better. This sunshiny place of balmy perfect weather, sandy beaches, duty-free shopping has one of the most fascinating ecosystems on the planet, is surrounded by the warm, aquamarine waters of the Caribbean Sea. Yes, Aruba is paradise.

How Am I Getting There and How Will I Return?
12 Jan: Flight 90 Jet Blue Oakland to New York
13 Jan: Flight 755 Jet Blue New York to Aruba
(Through the Bermuda Triangle)
19 Jan: Flight 744 Jet Blue Aruba to Boston
19 Jan: Flight 477 Jet Blue Boston to Oakland
The Ghost Tracker (my vehicle) is parked at the Oakland International Airport - Economy Parking N6.

Where Will I Be Staying?
Talk of the Town Hotel and Beach Club Room 106

On my way to Aruba, I am cramped in with an older couple. The older guy is right next to me and he is elbowing me throughout the whole trip. Later in the flight, he takes off his shoes and socks and starts fiddling around with his feet. The thoughts in my head were unimaginable. I did everything in my power to hold down my breakfast. I was so happy arriving to Aruba and getting as far away as possible from this guy. When the jet landed, they started playing the Beach Boy's Kokomo song.

The next thing is the fun part, negotiating with taxi drivers on their prices. Finally found a taxi driver with somewhat of a reasonable price. $15.00 cash to get from the airport to my hotel. What the? It was practically an 8 minute ride. Since the taxi driver was not too friendly, I stiffed him a tip. Man, this was one grouchy taxi driver, nice taxi drivers get tips, grouchy ones don't get anything.

I love my hotel, you can feel the island breeze, a cute outdoor patio and bar, beautiful swimming pool and the interior of my hotel room is everything I wanted. Yes, I can see why this hotel is called The Talk of the Town. Big price though, over a thousand bucks for 6 nights. Ouch! Oh well, I am on vacation.

On the first day, I am exhausted and jet lagged, but my curiosity is at an all time high. I want to see the town. On this day, I would check out the Marketplace, Seaport Casino and Parlament di Aruba.

This Tuesday night, I had the pleasure of meeting a gorgeous dark haired Colombian girl named Sandra Osono. Sandra has given me many details of her country in Columbia and why she has moved to Aruba. Sandra was a pleasure to talk to and I will be keeping in touch with Sandra. This night, I would get lost in my thoughts as I listened to the reggae and salsa music at a club called Mambo Jambo and sipping on my pina colada.

It is now Wednesday and I would stop over at the Beach Bar Havana aka The New Havana Beach Bar and Restaurants. This is right across the street from my hotel and to my surprise, the Arubian women are parading around this beach without any tops. I instantly thought, just perhaps, the Arubian women might be poor and are not able to afford a full piece bathing suit, so minus the tops. Perhaps, when I get to America, I will start up a charity for these poor women, so they can have full piece bathing suits and they will not have to walk around the beach without their tops. I felt saddened at their plight.

Today, I would spend much of the day souvenir shopping and when I got hungry I would have some beef chop suey at the Kowloon Restaurant. In a location near the Kowloon Restaurant, I met Sasha (not her real name). She asked why I was walking around taking notes. I explained to her that I have heard stories about a blonde phantom woman that walks the beach of Aruba and some people think it is Natalee Holloway.

I explained that last night, I did go to the beach late at night. A beach location that some people believe that Natalee was taken to and attempted to get some EVPs. Some of the questions I have asked are: Natalee are you here? Natalee if you are here, speak to me. So far, I have not gathered any EVPs. I will continue trying.

Sasha laughed. Sasha: You are a ghosthunter, this is funny. There are many ghosts here in Aruba and many stories. The blonde phantom woman, is probably the Lady of the Mist. The Lady of the Mist is a ghost of a woman, that may have drowned. If you want to know how Natalee died, I know some of Joran's (Joran van der Sloot) circle of friends. I was told that Joran placed some drugs in her drinks and when he got her out to the beach, she went into convulsions. He had one of his friends drop her out in the ocean. Joran was scared when Natalee went into convulsions, because it was his drugs that killed her. Joran could only think of getting rid of any evidence and that was disposing of the body. That is why Joran did not call the cops, he is a coward.

Paul: Sasha, why haven't you told the cops? Sasha: The cops already know and they do nothing. I don't want to be involved and please do not use my name in your article, not my real name, you can call me Sasha, that is okay. Paul: Wow! I was expecting to just try and get some EVPs, I didn't realize I was going to talk to a person that has some inside knowledge.

After my meeting with Sasha, I watched her as she walked into a crowd of people at the local mall and vanished. I can only wonder what other information, I will find while in Aruba?

As I walked back to my hotel, I sort of was in a trance after talking with Sasha. A Mercedes pulls up and a dark haired Arubian girl stops the Mercedes and opens the door and tells me to get in! As I prepared to get in, a horn blows and I realize I was merely daydreaming. The person blowing the horn, was a large old woman in an old beat up Chevy. I was daydreaming the James Bond (Quantum of Solice) scene.

Hey, what do you expect? I am in paradise, the island of dreams...I can daydream a little bit. But, I know that this vacation is becoming an adventure and the night has not even arrived yet.

Okay, the night is here. It's Wednesday night. It's time to get friendly. It's time to interview people. My first interviewee is: Vasilisa Henriquez. Vasilisa verifies the story that Sasha told me and doesn't mind that I use her real name in my article. Vasilisa looks like a model and she has this sweet Jamaican accent. Instead of calling me Paul, she calls me Pol. I like that. Vasilisa Henriquez also tells me that Joran called his father when Natalee supposingly died. It was Joran's father that took Natalee on the boat and dumped her body. This is the story that has been told repeatedly here in Aruba

[Seamonkey]

Copy,paste,copy,paste,copy,paste!

Back to the hidey-hole.HEY!Back to the Hide-holey.Hey!!!!

hehe  heee hawww round dem up...rawhideeeeee!!

[Magnolia]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

Did you Klaas? Well, show me one post from me at BNH and show everyone that i`m a liar!!!
I`m sure you can`t. I also didn`t aspect this from you
But hey, that`s how we get to know eachother, i guess . .

And Magnolia, maybe you should get back to knit some goat-wool socks, that`s what you`re real good at

I believe that is call angora, Bastibro.  You are still a liar!

[klaasend]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

 

Janet - I have many helpers and many eyes 

[San]

I think his shift for the disruptions was over anyway.

I don't think so.  It's still early grab your popcorn and a seat.

[Tamikosmom]

SO, hows Brinkmans investigation going?  Or was that just a bunch of hot air?

Appears to have been hot air or stopped in it's tracks. 

Stopped in it's track!!

You are really feared/respected Klaas.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has nightmares regarding the "red botton".

 

Janet

What's a red botton????

OOPS!!! My mistake.  S/B button not ... botton.

 

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

These are the perpetrators in this case:



Caps, OE and even Kermit were/are just trying to get to the truth.
The problem is that some people having difficulties to stay humble and that they enjoy the fact that some people make them to important, unfortunately(and i exclude Kyle here)

1.Kermit-posted nothing but the truth backed up by the Freebirds,as well as Kyle!
2.Kyle-Potentially an accessory to obstruction of justice.Backed up by his own words,as well as actions.
3.CapsLockWizard-Has posted many false statements regarding this case!

And you call Kermit the fraud!

Kyle(OE)

"I haven't seen Kermit post anything untrue presented as factual.  He's expressed his opinion, been taken out of context and misunderstood a few times, but he's pretty spot on as far as facts are concerned."

Care to debate Kyle's own words Bastian??

[hotping]

Copy,paste,copy,paste,copy,paste!

Back to the hidey-hole.HEY!Back to the Hide-holey.Hey!!!!

hehe  heee hawww round dem up...rawhideeeeee!!

Round em up Move em Out... Rawhide.. 

[always 1]

SO, hows Brinkmans investigation going?  Or was that just a bunch of hot air?

Appears to have been hot air or stopped in it's tracks. 

Stopped in it's track!!

You are really feared/respected Klaas.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has nightmares regarding the "red botton".

 

Janet

What's a red botton????

OOPS!!! My mistake.  S/B button not ... botton.

 

Janet

I knew that, I was just playing with you, trying to lighten the mood, lal la la

[Tamikosmom]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

 

Janet - I have many helpers and many eyes 

Chilling!!  Very Chilling!!

 

Where have I been?  What have I done?   What did I say?

 

Janet

[San]

With my own eyes I have seen Bastibro's posts at BNH and CnG. 

Did you Klaas? Well, show me one post from me at BNH and show everyone that i`m a liar!!!
I`m sure you can`t. I also didn`t aspect this from you
But hey, that`s how we get to know eachother, i guess . .

And Magnolia, maybe you should get back to knit some goat-wool socks, that`s what you`re real good at

Maybe you need to go hang out with your loser friend ******* a little more.