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« Reply #360 on: January 31, 2009, 03:20:49 AM »

REE

"VMS, I speak for only myself, but I personally don't care what Kermit's occupation is.  IMO the emails she posted speak for themselves.  I have no problem with any of the emails posted, but I do take issue with the crap SS posted yesterday."

KERMIT

"Just so everyone here knows I am well aware of them giving that information over to Aruba too."   


KEEPTHEFAITH
I thought this was important to bring over in case you don't read the previous thread!




Giving personal information to Aruba!

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Whatta ya think of this BillB?
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #361 on: January 31, 2009, 03:21:59 AM »

The drive by's are exhausting! I don't dare log on for fear of being mean....you know, attacking the poster and all....But...they are definitely trying to distract....how many times and in how many ways can you implore them to just back up their claims that Kermit and the Freebirds have it all wrong? They can't...so they ramble on about circular BS.....
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I agree billb.  Very exhausting...and in some cases just disgusting. 

I've lost all respect for some monkeys.  I don't believe anything they could say or do at this point would ever change that.    

Goodnight billb.   

 
It is so disgusting.....it makes me sick..to do and say things to the family is beyond appalling...
The exposure of the depth of this cover up...persistence john s, louis s. kyle....HTF do they sleep at night?
At the end of the day...if our own FBI doesn't bring them all to justice, either directly or indirectly...I'll be extremely disappointed...But I know in my heart...Karma will bite them all....God has a plan and will deal with those responsible....
But on a lighter note...
I DO HATE THEM ALL...   

I agree billb!  

And those that are choosing to attack those that have exposed the cover up are no better!  

Their words and deeds have no place in the pursuit of JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!  jmo
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #362 on: January 31, 2009, 03:23:02 AM »

Goodnight to you all cageman,TM,and Anna!

GOD BLESS.........JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..................................................

..............ARUBA WILL PAY....................................................................................
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« Reply #363 on: January 31, 2009, 03:24:16 AM »

Goodnight to you all cageman,TM,and Anna!

GOD BLESS.........JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..................................................

..............ARUBA WILL PAY....................................................................................

YOU TO KERMIT........................I STAND WITH THE FROGGY......................................
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« Reply #364 on: January 31, 2009, 03:29:13 AM »

Goodnight to you all cageman,TM,and Anna!

GOD BLESS.........JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY..................................................

..............ARUBA WILL PAY....................................................................................

Goodnight Keepthefaith!  God bless you too!

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #365 on: January 31, 2009, 03:31:54 AM »



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #366 on: January 31, 2009, 04:41:55 AM »

ARUBA COVER-UP





Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500
 Idstlou said: ”Sceen shots were sent daily as intructed by the FBI agents in charge, and the footage was turned over at the first opportunity.” http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.540
Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: “I know that there were members of Quantico on board. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.580

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760

Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 05:46:43 PM
I stated that posters have said part of your credibility stems from taking down a president and working beside two others. I simply asked them to elaborate. You don't have to tell me a thing if you don't want to.

Why do you want personal information on Kermit?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420




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LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
<snip>
FBI did not know about it..."


Kyle was contacted by the FBI AFTER Freebirds sent the evidence/information to them.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420



CAPS HAS 4 COMPUTERS:
My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.120

CAPS POSTED:
Got an email today from DH, why took so long?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.160


I would like to know why on February 7, Caps is talking about this witness on scared monkeys,
this is the witness that would only talk to John through his lawyer, fear of reprisal, but yet Caps feels it's okay to tell the world about him on February 7!






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« Reply #367 on: January 31, 2009, 08:06:37 AM »

I think that Kyle posted something about an underwater vacuum
that could be taken to the cage and possible DNA retrieved from
the site.
I have wondered if Caps went there (if he actually did) to make
sure that there was nothing to vacuum up.

That's a possibility Magnolia. I thought it odd that there were no 'photos' accompanying the post.

I'm not a diver, but I know that inexperienced divers do not go down 90'. On a whim. I don't recall seeing CAPS ever discussing that he was an experienced diver. But it's possible.

Yes Lifesong -- I've read all the posts about CAPS and the ALE connections. This innocuous little post however, confirmed it for me. Sad  Again, right from CAPS himself.

So, do we assume that the 100+ 'viable target' locations are no longer in safe keeping either?

Yes -- sometimes I like to state the obvious. For me, it reinforces the level of lieing and corruption and coverup.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Caps dove them already...
Clyde Burke took him out in a paddleboat...
 

 

Thanks for that Buckshot. I love the visual 

I needed it -- after once again having to wade thru pages of a troublemaker attacking one of our own   

That poster needs some kaopectate for her fingers.

 

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« Reply #368 on: January 31, 2009, 08:18:00 AM »

http://www.iberianet.com/articles/2007/11/29/news/news/news00.txt

See the above link for an old news article with a lot of detail of who contacted who regarding the Persistence search.  I wasn't sure if it had already been posted here.  The article says TES contacted Schaefer and Schaefer contacted Silvetti.






Natalee Holloway: Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch Discusses Crab Trap, Clothing and DNA Found in Waters of Aruba
February 27, 2005 2008


"I've been trying to put this together for two and a half years...Louis Schaefer came forward with John Silvetti."
(transcript credit: texasmom)

Video:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/27/natalee-holloway-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-discusses-crab-trap-clothing-and-dna-found-in-waters-of-aruba/


Once again -- bless you and your superior organization skills, Janet. 

That poster would have actually had to READ here to have known that has been posted several times already.

Not a common characteristic for 'drive by's' intended to disrupt

 

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« Reply #369 on: January 31, 2009, 08:30:42 AM »

The drive by's are exhausting! I don't dare log on for fear of being mean....you know, attacking the poster and all....But...they are definitely trying to distract....how many times and in how many ways can you implore them to just back up their claims that Kermit and the Freebirds have it all wrong? They can't...so they ramble on about circular BS.....
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billb..

billb -- you say that so well. I have tried to follow your example and NOT log on -- but I can't stand by and and watch people lie -- especially when I know the facts.

Those were kyle's words.

Or a kyle impersonator I guess would be a possibilty.

Or possibly he has a multiple personality disorder -- and that was really his evil twin brother Lyle. 

And YES -- I guess it is 'remotely' possible that EVERYTHING Kyle told the Freebirds was lies.


BUT -- if in fact was all lies by kyle  (which I will go on record and say I do not believe they were lies) -- then I REALLY don't understand these people defending him  And at the same time say they seek justice for Natalee.   


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!Justice for Natalee
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« Reply #370 on: January 31, 2009, 09:04:35 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?
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« Reply #371 on: January 31, 2009, 09:35:30 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?

I really don't remember but I wonder if it could have been something that was found in Deepak's car.
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« Reply #372 on: January 31, 2009, 09:43:16 AM »

This is for Sleuth & Tibro.  It is a picture from one of the commercials that will be featured on the Superbowl.

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« Reply #373 on: January 31, 2009, 09:49:45 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?

No, but I wonder if they recorded the date wrong. 10/7/05 may actually be July???
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« Reply #374 on: January 31, 2009, 09:54:44 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?

No, but I wonder if they recorded the date wrong. 10/7/05 may actually be July???

There are quite a few documents that are dated October.  I don't think it is from July.

There is also this one:

Name/Title: DNA investigation
Date: 10 October 2005
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator. T.D. Croes Fernandes Pedra
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« Reply #375 on: January 31, 2009, 10:23:48 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?

No, but I wonder if they recorded the date wrong. 10/7/05 may actually be July???

When did Carlos the frozen condom witness show up?
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« Reply #376 on: January 31, 2009, 10:33:12 AM »

ARUBA COVER-UP





Idstlou said: ”The footage WAS turned over to the FBI immediately.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.500
 Idstlou said: ”Sceen shots were sent daily as intructed by the FBI agents in charge, and the footage was turned over at the first opportunity.” http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.540
Idstlou said: “They were working with two FBI agents from Barbados. The footage was turned over to them.”http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.560

Idstlou said: “I know that there were members of Quantico on board. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.580

"Klye:  I did not give the information to the FBI and I'm unaware of anyone relaying the possibility to them.
pg 39http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.760

Quote from: ldstlou on January 02, 2009, 05:46:43 PM
I stated that posters have said part of your credibility stems from taking down a president and working beside two others. I simply asked them to elaborate. You don't have to tell me a thing if you don't want to.

Why do you want personal information on Kermit?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420




POOP SUIT ALERT



LEAK said: "This comment was made by Jug during a recent phone conversation:
All of the stuff that Kermit posted
<snip>
FBI did not know about it..."


Kyle was contacted by the FBI AFTER Freebirds sent the evidence/information to them.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.420



CAPS HAS 4 COMPUTERS:
My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.120

CAPS POSTED:
Got an email today from DH, why took so long?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.160


I would like to know why on February 7, Caps is talking about this witness on scared monkeys,
this is the witness that would only talk to John through his lawyer, fear of reprisal, but yet Caps feels it's okay to tell the world about him on February 7!








Really Kermit? Really? as my brother would say!
You are going to keep this charade up?

Because I have seen what I believe to be irrefutable evidence that you posted pics of a family member of yours here at SM and insinuated that those pics were of yourself...correct me please if I am wrong on this please.

If this is true, did your the family member know you were doing this and approve?

If I am wrong, I apologize, because then indeed I have been mislead by those trying to discredit you.
But if I am not wrong, then your integrity has been compromised.
If I am not wrong, then you did the misleading.
If I am not wrong, and you are capable of posting pics of a family family on a public forum and insinuating they are pics of yourself, then you are capable of taking Kyle's words out of context and creating a conspiracy theory involving the crew members of the Persistence, people who devoted a lot of their own time, energy and money to search for Natalee at the request of Tim Miler and Dave Holloway.
If I am not wrong, then I believe you are also capable of falsely accusing people of assisting the ALE by sending them info from the pro-Natalee boards with no proof other than "your word".

All of this is just my humble opinion of course.

I do hope that I am wrong.

I am off to the Travel Show.
No Justice for Natalee, No Tourists for Aruba!
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« Reply #377 on: January 31, 2009, 10:48:33 AM »

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Quote from: SS on November 19, 2008, 08:37:02 PM
John Silvetti - red shirt
Dolf Richardson
Hans Mos

Who are the others?

BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.620

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I have been posting with since June 2005 she made a detailed document and sent it all to Dave Holloway who turned all her work over to DOMPIG
I later learned that it was turned over to DOMPIG. I thought it was Dave who turned it to Dompig. My gosh, it had so much information in that it isn't funny.
We were all shocked.
Also she posted as Hope but when NH.Net went down we all went to SM and BFN I saw someone in chat using the nic Hope I thought is was her but this Hope told me she was a family member and it was NOT the Hope that I knew .
That is when she went to Kermit.

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« Reply #378 on: January 31, 2009, 10:49:08 AM »

Now off  to see my Mom.
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« Reply #379 on: January 31, 2009, 11:30:14 AM »

Found this here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name/Title/Description: Liquid Substance Testing
Date: 7 October 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426-Leads
Location: Bridgetown, Barbados
Writer/Initiator: Douglas. S Shipley

Anybody remember what this was about?

No, but I wonder if they recorded the date wrong. 10/7/05 may actually be July???

When did Carlos the frozen condom witness show up?

May, 2006???

Janet

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for June 27
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We still haven‘t heard a final answer on whether this Colombian witness is really credible or not. We still haven‘t heard from the judge. So, it‘s difficult. But there‘s still some things to come.
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COSBY: And tonight, a secret in the Natalee Holloway case has been exposed. There has been a new arrest, one that‘s very much been kept under wraps. Aruban police have nabbed a Colombian national to find out what he may have seen the night the Alabama teen vanished. And if you can believe it, he‘s been behind bars since last month.

So, just who is this person and how did it all go down? On the phone with us right now from Aruba is Julia Renfro with the “Aruba Today” newspaper. Julia, who is this guy?

JULIA RENFRO, ARUBA TODAY (on phone): Hi, Rita. Well, the only thing we know at this point is his name is Carlos and he‘s from Columbia and he has pertinent information claiming to have witnessed a possible murder. He‘s not very specific in that it was Natalee, but it was the night that Natalee disappeared. He claims to have heard screaming, he claims to have heard somebody being dragged out in the ocean and being held under water.

COSBY: And where exactly does he say that he heard the screaming and saw someone being dragged? And did he describe somebody blond like Natalee? And someone looking like Joran or the Kalpoe brothers?

RENFRO: He claims to have seen a small young lady with a talk young man. He was not able to clarify whether or not the type of vehicle. You have to imagine up by the lighthouse, it‘s extremely dark. And apparently, he had a fight or some kind of controversy with his wife and had driven up there to just relax and watch the ocean and watch the waves. And he was woken up by screaming, as he says. And he started peeking around the rocks and that‘s when he claims he saw.

COSBY: And why did police decide to arrest him now a year later? How did word get out of what this guy is claiming?

RENFRO: Well, he came forward several months ago actually, already. Excuse me. He spoke to members of the media, who brought him to the authorities, basically pushing him to the direction that it‘s his responsibility to tell what he saw.

COSBY: And Julia, are authorities taking him seriously? Credible? Or are they saying, wait a minute, this seems a little too wacky to believe.

RENFRO: Well, you have to understand that the authorities are not speaking with anybody at this point. The prosecutor‘s office is not speaking to the press or anybody else. And they are basically just making a strong dedication and commitment to the case to solve it.

COSBY: How long can they hold this guy?

RENFRO: And they‘re not interested in you, they‘re not interested in me.

COSBY: How long can they hold him, Julia? What‘s the law, how long can they keep him?

RENFRO: Well that‘s up to the judge. And it works out to be 180 days. I doubt that will happen. What they‘re doing at this point, they are searching and they‘re investigating the points and details that this man has brought forward. And if any of the details that he‘s brought forward are brought forward to be credible, of course, he will be continued to be detained. And it‘s not because he‘s a suspect. It‘s because unfortunately, he‘s an illegal alien. He‘s living on the island of Aruba without permission. And just like in the United States, which you guys very well know, you can‘t just go and live on somebody else‘s country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13595183/


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Art: First of all Carlos is a columbian, he's a male about 40, maybe 40 to 45 years old and at one time he had a work permit to work in Aruba but that expired and he didn't get it extended. At the time this happened he was an illegal. Basically, Carlos contacted Jossy through an intermediary and he was trying to claim the reward. Jossy told Dave and Beth about Carlos and contacted me and basically after consulting with Dave and Beth it was decided that I would talk to Carlos and see if there was any validity I flew down there in April and interviewed Carlos and actually on two occasions. Basically I didn't believe his story at all, I told Jossy there were too many holes in his story. I thought it was 1005 bogus, he was just trying to claim the reward.

Before leaving Aruba, I told Carlos that I would turn the info over the ALE, which I did, I made sure that Karin got that information and let them determine if there was validity to is. I advised Dave and Beth I found it not true, I left Aruba and the authorities picked him up and believed his story for awhile, they held him in protective custody for 6 weeks and now he's recanted his story.

Dana: We as LE or members of the media or people who talk to people for a living. YOu can see contradictions, physical actions, body language, different things that you can soon tell when you interview a witness whether they're a glory grabber or they actually have something

Art;  LE officers involved in criminal investigations develop not just an instinct, they develop a whole personna to tell if someobdy is lying or not. It comes with experiences but it comes with 100's of interrogations you're involved with. This guy's story didn't make any sense to me at all. I was using an interpreter but I could tell he was lying, I knew that he was. As a police officer instinctively you just know when they're lying.

I've told Dave, I'm 100% sure he was lying and turns out he was.


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for May 23
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DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... There is a—a witness out there that—that had contacted us that indicated that he saw something, and had some forensic evidence. And I don‘t know whether they‘re working on that or—or what the deal is. Someone said that he was arrested and is currently being detained.
 
LAKE: Is that witness‘ name Carlos (ph)?

HOLLOWAY: The individual that we were aware of, yes, was named Carlos (ph).

LAKE: OK. And have you heard anything further on that? Are they digging into that?
 
HOLLOWAY: Last week, this individual came forward and indicated he had this—he witnessed something and he had some forensic evidence. And we asked him to go directly to the prosecutor and provide that information. 
LAKE: OK. So, Dave, are you feeling optimistic that there will be more arrests, arrests that can stick, that can turn into a case? How are you feeling now?

HOLLOWAY: You know, I don‘t know, Lauren. It‘s—you hear about
this arrest. You get your hopes up high. And then all of a sudden, you hear that he‘s being released And you just hope and pray in the back of your mind that maybe this guy gave them enough information that more arrests are imminent. You know, you just don‘t know. And you just get your hopes up high, and then they‘re just dashed again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12954091/
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