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« Reply #580 on: February 03, 2009, 03:24:37 AM »

unrelated, but i just haven't anything to add:

Bram Moszkowicz, the attorney who was going to do the civil case for Beth < did this go anywhere??


now he is appealing the Geert Wilders / Freedom of Speech-case to the Supreme Court in The Hague.
more about this: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/32758/dutch_react_to_prosecution_of_wilders
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Do you think the court made the right decision in prosecuting Geert Wilders?

Yes 43%
No 50%
Not sure 7%
Geert Wilders is of the same political party as Hero Brinkman.
the same group who filed lawsuit against Wilders also wants to do this against Brinkman for his comments about Aruba/Antilles.

even more unrelated:
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THE HAGUE, 03/02/09 - Premier Jan Peter Balkenende announced yesterday he is setting up a commission to investigate the way in which the Netherlands decided to give political support to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Opposition parties in the Lower House are very unhappy with the step.

Balkenende said at a specially arranged press conference that the commission would be chaired by former Supreme Court president W. J. M. Davids. Davids can choose the other members himself. Among them will be one or more Ministers of State, according to Balkenende.
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/030209_1.htm

it think there is a chance the government might collapse.  i should have a long time ago already.
but looking at the polls if there are new elections now it will be impossible to form a new government.

so both opposition and government parties are unwilling to let the government collapse, hoping that the tide will change and the protest parties (like Wilders) will decrease and it will be possible to form a government in case of new elections.

but it doesn't look like this is happening.
both Wilders party (right-wing) and the Socialist Party en Green Left are up in the polls (the prosecution of Wilders made him more popular!).
as long as these parties are up in the polls government won't collapse i think.
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« Reply #581 on: February 03, 2009, 07:44:31 AM »

How long have we been discussing Kermit's revelations here? Since around Thanksgiving?? Has the family in any way asked us to "back off" or channel our discussions in another direction?? Did not "nonesuche" tell us that the family was "not pleased" with the "drive-bys" at SM by the CnG crowd?
That tells me plenty. (thanks to Nimrod for making me realize this today)

BUMPED!!




Hi Janet,

I really think there was a honest misunderstanding about this "permission" that you say exists. You are aware, I'm sure, that this issue unfairly puts the family in a box if they are forced to get involved, one way or the other? IMO

nimrod ... logic dictates that Beth Holloway would have informed either the Natalee's Freebirds administrator or ... the Scared Monke's administrator ... if there had been "a misunderstanding" in regards to revealing Kyle Kingman's own words ... in regards to revealing Kyle Kingman revealing the second set of ROV images.

Think about.  Kermit began his series of revelations on November 24th, 2008.  Considering the relationship that Red has with Beth Holloway ... Beth would have only had to say the word over the past 2 1/2 months and ... this discussion would have come to an immediate halt.

Janet


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You left out your post I was responding to and my post in response to yours. That is a good example of my statement that Kermits quotes of Kyles were "out of context". I am not defending Kyle and I am not a member of cng, whatever that is.

But, I still love you, Janet and I know better than to ever dispute you, so, with that, I will depart this board.


Chicken!!!

 

Janet

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You're nicer than I, janet.

I would have selected an analogy from the RODENT family. 





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« Reply #582 on: February 03, 2009, 07:46:11 AM »


Why leave Nimrod? You're entitled to your opinion -- just as we are to try to show where we disagree with you. Why be mad at Janet? Be mad at me! I'm the one who said you made me realize something. (That being that the family has had over 2 months to tell us to "back off" and have not). Stick up for what you believe!

maybe he's busy writing a book.



 

Right  But wouldn't he have had to 'read it' first. 

lurv you froggie


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« Reply #583 on: February 03, 2009, 08:00:53 AM »

I mean, what could Lala's mean the FBI didn't even know at that point?  Doesn't that confirm what Kermit was saying that neither Kyle nor anybody from the Persistence kept them informed?  If one was actually on board, wouldn't they have certainly known all about what was happening?



Anna --

From what I read -- most of them are not disputing the information from the frog.

Apparently -- they thought they should be the only ones with knowledge of it 

The fact that they made this about kermit -- and not about the posts -- tells it all.

The fact that the 'LEAK' is still there -- I think is a riot 


THEY WERE KYLE'S WORDS

THEY WERE NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT

KYLE'S CONTEXT -- IT WAS NATALEE'S REMAINS IN THE CAGE


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« Reply #584 on: February 03, 2009, 08:05:51 AM »

Janet, 2NJ and TM

I saw where you all had my back.

I appreciate it more than I could ever express.

Thank you -- it means the world to me.

 
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« Reply #585 on: February 03, 2009, 08:48:32 AM »

Anything new on the Silvetti trips to Aruba,as well as the timelines?
Other than March 8th and June 13th as reported here?

In looking further at my notes, Silvetti was also there on/about May 19, 2008

There were posts from CapsLockWizard on the 19th and 20th,as well as i believe he e-mailed Klaas at that time.Would have to verify that with Klaas first!

I'm going to put together this spreadsheet tonight late when it slows down in the forum. 

OH WOW I can't do that kind of stuff ,you talking to a girl who types with three 3 fingers, and spells everything WRONG some of you guys are so smart gezzz  
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« Reply #586 on: February 03, 2009, 09:21:29 AM »

WAKEY, WAKEY!

Eggs and bakey!




   

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« Reply #587 on: February 03, 2009, 09:21:59 AM »

unrelated, but i just haven't anything to add:

Bram Moszkowicz, the attorney who was going to do the civil case for Beth < did this go anywhere??


now he is appealing the Geert Wilders / Freedom of Speech-case to the Supreme Court in The Hague.
more about this: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/32758/dutch_react_to_prosecution_of_wilders
Quote
Polling Data

Do you think the court made the right decision in prosecuting Geert Wilders?

Yes 43%
No 50%
Not sure 7%
Geert Wilders is of the same political party as Hero Brinkman.
the same group who filed lawsuit against Wilders also wants to do this against Brinkman for his comments about Aruba/Antilles.

even more unrelated:
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THE HAGUE, 03/02/09 - Premier Jan Peter Balkenende announced yesterday he is setting up a commission to investigate the way in which the Netherlands decided to give political support to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Opposition parties in the Lower House are very unhappy with the step.

Balkenende said at a specially arranged press conference that the commission would be chaired by former Supreme Court president W. J. M. Davids. Davids can choose the other members himself. Among them will be one or more Ministers of State, according to Balkenende.
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/030209_1.htm

it think there is a chance the government might collapse.  i should have a long time ago already.
but looking at the polls if there are new elections now it will be impossible to form a new government.

so both opposition and government parties are unwilling to let the government collapse, hoping that the tide will change and the protest parties (like Wilders) will decrease and it will be possible to form a government in case of new elections.

but it doesn't look like this is happening.
both Wilders party (right-wing) and the Socialist Party en Green Left are up in the polls (the prosecution of Wilders made him more popular!).
as long as these parties are up in the polls government won't collapse i think.



Thanks so much for these updates Caesu.

I posted the link to Gene Wilder's controversial youtube in the 'Politics' thread at SM a while back. I don't believe it received much conversation.

I thought it was quite an eye opener 


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« Reply #588 on: February 03, 2009, 09:22:52 AM »

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!
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The following slide show should have made me angry but ... it made me very sad.

From way back ... I have posted along side of some of the members of CnG at various forums in the cause of Justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family.  Others ... I truly felt I had connected with on the SM Caylee Marie forum.  I could not have been more wrong.

At least I know where I stand with the trolls at RU unlimited.  I can deal with that no problem.  However ... when I consider words of the posts I just read and ... then considered the authors of those posts ... I am emotionally drained.

If it were not for the rejoicing that would be heard from CnG members all the way over to the SM forum ... I would thow in the towel.  If it were not for my almost four year quest to explose the corruption that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... I would throw in the towel.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg656377#msg656377


Janet - like I said to you in musings..........don't take it to heart - and consider the source.

You're a much stronger person than any of those at the bitch and moan site, with far more integrity and dedication.

Not to mention your compassionate heart and caring soul.



Oh - and of course your shoofly pie!!!  What would our froggie do without it?!?!?!
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« Reply #589 on: February 03, 2009, 09:24:29 AM »

Janet, 2NJ and TM

I saw where you all had my back.

I appreciate it more than I could ever express.

Thank you -- it means the world to me.

 

YW Sharon. 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #590 on: February 03, 2009, 09:25:15 AM »

Caseau,

We have never had a government collapse in this country and don't really understand what it is or what happens.  There is a first time for everything so might be good if we knew what to expect given the current economic crisis.

Do they just hold new elections or what?  It sounds totally scary to me.  I think I imagine riots in the streets, martial law and much more to it than it would actually entail.

Thanks for any info in this regard.

Do you think Wilders party would be weaker or stronger afterwards if this were to happen?

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TIA

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« Reply #591 on: February 03, 2009, 09:25:41 AM »

I mean, what could Lala's mean the FBI didn't even know at that point?  Doesn't that confirm what Kermit was saying that neither Kyle nor anybody from the Persistence kept them informed?  If one was actually on board, wouldn't they have certainly known all about what was happening?




Yes - Bud has a good eye!!  And you're correct Anna - that is a very good confirmation of the info that was shared here!

I sure hope Lisa has the opportunity to read it.  (and comprehend it)
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« Reply #592 on: February 03, 2009, 09:26:42 AM »

WAKEY, WAKEY!

Eggs and bakey!




   



Good morning Anna!  
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #593 on: February 03, 2009, 09:29:53 AM »

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!!
_______

The following slide show should have made me angry but ... it made me very sad.

From way back ... I have posted along side of some of the members of CnG at various forums in the cause of Justice for Natalee Holloway and ... closure for her family.  Others ... I truly felt I had connected with on the SM Caylee Marie forum.  I could not have been more wrong.

At least I know where I stand with the trolls at RU unlimited.  I can deal with that no problem.  However ... when I consider words of the posts I just read and ... then considered the authors of those posts ... I am emotionally drained.

If it were not for the rejoicing that would be heard from CnG members all the way over to the SM forum ... I would thow in the towel.  If it were not for my almost four year quest to explose the corruption that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... I would throw in the towel.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg656377#msg656377


Janet - like I said to you in musings..........don't take it to heart - and consider the source.

You're a much stronger person than any of those at the bitch and moan site, with far more integrity and dedication.

Not to mention your compassionate heart and caring soul.



Oh - and of course your shoofly pie!!!  What would our froggie do without it?!?!?!

I agree!   
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« Reply #594 on: February 03, 2009, 09:37:24 AM »




Thanks for the news caesu!    
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« Reply #595 on: February 03, 2009, 09:38:25 AM »

I mean, what could Lala's mean the FBI didn't even know at that point?  Doesn't that confirm what Kermit was saying that neither Kyle nor anybody from the Persistence kept them informed?  If one was actually on board, wouldn't they have certainly known all about what was happening?




Yes - Bud has a good eye!!  And you're correct Anna - that is a very good confirmation of the info that was shared here!

I sure hope Lisa has the opportunity to read it.  (and comprehend it)



Well, then shouldn't they be upset with Kyle instead of the frog?

LOGIC DICTATES!

And I have posted to isa with it highlighted in red and even red GLOW and she didn't get it.  No reason to think she will suddenly start actually reading responses to her when she is having so much fun frog bashing.



Openness, transparency and full disclosure is where it is at.  There is no need for private little schemes in this tragedy, far too late in the events for that.  Yes, I will agree, some people not even remotely connected to this other than posting of forums seem to think they own evidence and truth in the matter.  They don't.

But I can't for the life of me understand why the anger is directed at Kermit instead of Kyle who was the one shooting off his young mouth.

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« Reply #596 on: February 03, 2009, 09:43:00 AM »

Janet,

There is no throwing in of any towel.  You are going to have enough problems getting hubby to do all the painting and redecorating while you leisurely post on the computer!

Hasn't that girl ever heard of tents?  Arbors, even?  Well, that must may be where it is at.

But you would be missed to badly if you were to leave us and besides, don't you think that is exactly the desired results.  Yes, we have all been shocked at the behavior of some and thought them just better people than that.  I guess this falls under the live and learn category, sadly.

But the rest of us are still here and still want nothing more than Justice for Natalee and are not the ones playing the games and acting like junior high.

We want justice just as badly as we did three years ago.  Let's just all pull together and unite and be even closer and more determined to get it.

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« Reply #597 on: February 03, 2009, 10:05:47 AM »

The Murder and Crime thread in the Important Case Documents is just 300 views short of hitting 100,000.

TexasMom has done a good job of keeping it up to date and we need to put it over the top so when MsMarple checks it again, she will be surprised!

There is a link in my signature or you can find it in the Important Case Documents.

Remember until we actully started to notice, we were being told there was no crime in Aruba and even that ALE didn't know how to investigate it because it was so rare.  That did NOT turn out to the be case, however.

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« Reply #598 on: February 03, 2009, 10:32:54 AM »

I hope Janet will return and that she knows her work is valued here.

What doesn't kill you does make you stronger Janet, I have the t-shirt. 
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« Reply #599 on: February 03, 2009, 10:56:07 AM »

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=564&Itemid=1



Presentation of “Crime Reduction & Prevention in Aruba” by Minister Rudy Croes   
Tuesday, 03 February 2009 

 ORANJESTAD - Recently at the office of Justice Minister Rudy Croes in Santa Cruz, the “Crime Reduction & Prevention in Aruba” project was presented. Directed by Mr. Monrick Croes and Mr. Ricardo Croes the idea of this project “Crime in Aruba” would be to create a department reinforced with two criminologists to enlighten different departments in the government and also private sectors of strategies to fight crime in Aruba. This would be based on studies conducted during the past three years and also how to prevent this by means of a well and structured plan based on effective tactics.   

 Thanks to information that was gathered from the Ministry of Social Services, Statistics Department and Police Stations, there was enough information put together to enlighten the Aruban community, starting at the police department itself, government and also private sectors.

The control established on the social community is very important, starting at home, and also the way we see our youth. According to Monrick Croes, the project will bring a positive change on our Tourist Island and will produce alternatives to create a positive image of our community.
 
 
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