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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 - 2/5/09 (Read 175523 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: texasmom on February 03, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on February 03, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
I am impressed, Wreck.
You still watchin reruns of Sanford and Son?
Hey...I watch Sanford and Son sometimes too!
TV isn't like it used to be!Oh,oh Mrrrr.Kotttterrrrr!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: klaasend on February 02, 2009, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Monkey Mia on February 02, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
Klaasend, Thank you for reposting the photos.
Lifesong, I wanted to respond with a little of my reasoning before this got too old. I have to respectfully disagree with Kyle, Klaasend and the big hammer. But that is what we do here. We theorize and discuss till we prove or disprove. First, I want you to consider a triangle with a 42" hypotenuse. That would be approximately a triangle 30" x 30" x 42". Lay it out on your bed or floor and see how much of your body fits in it. My height is the same as Natalee's and I can't get much more than my head in it. Now if the trap is a 7' 700 pound trap like the Alaskan crab fishermen use
http://www.fishex.com/galleries/king-crab-fishing/photo-gallery.html
you can enlarge that triangle in one grid to 42" x 42" x 60". Even that is not enough space to put most of Natalee's body, you could maybe get head to butt. Size is important, and no reference is given, so how can anyone say without a doubt, but it doesn't seem practical to me.
That link to the photo gallery also shows what size vessel and crane would be necessary to move the trap. The ship would probably have a crew of at least five. There would have had to have been many phone calls made to arrange for that type of disposal. Think of the money the captain would want for sacrificing his trap and fuel and paying for the silence of the crew as well. Most people would want to keep the disposal as simple as possible. The other possibility would be for divers to take the body down 90' and place it in the trap and they would not go out aimlessly swimming around the ocean floor looking for a lost trap.
Now on to the ziplock evidence bags. Here in the states we would expect photos to be taken of the scene before during and after evidence removal. Something of know size should be placed next to the objects. All trained divers carry a knife and that would have been convenient to place as comparison. I need to see those photographs. Here is an article that speaks to the quality of underwater photograhy.
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/phgraph/water.htm
These photos, we are to assume, were all taken with the ROV. I would not expect the same sharpness you would get with a well lit digital photograph. I find it hard to beleive the clarity.
Thanks Monkey Mia!
Ok consider this. First, the example KYLE created does indeed show only head to butt fitting in the cage (in a straight line). Also consider the possibility that the cage was already there, then something place in it instead of the cage actually being transported on a boat with the purpose of disposing of Natalee.
If you are referring to the photo with the plastic zip lock bags and clarity, I couldn't agree with you more. Something is not right about that photo.
Bump!
My experience with photoshopped pics is more like the pic Johan555 posted of the skull underwater that, I think it was Wreck commented it looked like it had sunglasses on. In other words, most photoshopped pics I've seen have some telltale signs of being faked/edited. I know nothing about the plankton and particulate matter in the water and how they
should
appear in these pictures.
Do any of the Freebirds or anyone else have anything to add to this conversation? Was there ever any discussion with Kyle about the clarity of the underwater pictures? May I ask whether any of you think these pics were photoshopped?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: Kermit on February 03, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
Thank you Miss Magnolia for my brand new suit. I'll surely need it when I go to the Fraser Valley for a visit to Janets lovely pond and shoefly pie.
Brrrr...glad you have that.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: klaasend on February 03, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: texasmom on February 03, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on February 03, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
I am impressed, Wreck.
You still watchin reruns of Sanford and Son?
Hey...I watch Sanford and Son sometimes too!
TV isn't like it used to be!Oh,oh Mrrrr.Kotttterrrrr!
O/T
http://www.youtube.com/v/VT5lnynu9l8&hl=en&fs=1
That was awesome.Those where the days.Welcome Back Kotter,Taxi,Sanford and Son,All in the Family,Happy days,Laverne and Shirley!What happened to TV??
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: Lifesong on February 03, 2009, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 02, 2009, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Monkey Mia on February 02, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
Klaasend, Thank you for reposting the photos.
Lifesong, I wanted to respond with a little of my reasoning before this got too old. I have to respectfully disagree with Kyle, Klaasend and the big hammer. But that is what we do here. We theorize and discuss till we prove or disprove. First, I want you to consider a triangle with a 42" hypotenuse. That would be approximately a triangle 30" x 30" x 42". Lay it out on your bed or floor and see how much of your body fits in it. My height is the same as Natalee's and I can't get much more than my head in it. Now if the trap is a 7' 700 pound trap like the Alaskan crab fishermen use
http://www.fishex.com/galleries/king-crab-fishing/photo-gallery.html
you can enlarge that triangle in one grid to 42" x 42" x 60". Even that is not enough space to put most of Natalee's body, you could maybe get head to butt. Size is important, and no reference is given, so how can anyone say without a doubt, but it doesn't seem practical to me.
That link to the photo gallery also shows what size vessel and crane would be necessary to move the trap. The ship would probably have a crew of at least five. There would have had to have been many phone calls made to arrange for that type of disposal. Think of the money the captain would want for sacrificing his trap and fuel and paying for the silence of the crew as well. Most people would want to keep the disposal as simple as possible. The other possibility would be for divers to take the body down 90' and place it in the trap and they would not go out aimlessly swimming around the ocean floor looking for a lost trap.
Now on to the ziplock evidence bags. Here in the states we would expect photos to be taken of the scene before during and after evidence removal. Something of know size should be placed next to the objects. All trained divers carry a knife and that would have been convenient to place as comparison. I need to see those photographs. Here is an article that speaks to the quality of underwater photograhy.
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/phgraph/water.htm
These photos, we are to assume, were all taken with the ROV. I would not expect the same sharpness you would get with a well lit digital photograph. I find it hard to beleive the clarity.
Thanks Monkey Mia!
Ok consider this. First, the example KYLE created does indeed show only head to butt fitting in the cage (in a straight line). Also consider the possibility that the cage was already there, then something place in it instead of the cage actually being transported on a boat with the purpose of disposing of Natalee.
If you are referring to the photo with the plastic zip lock bags and clarity, I couldn't agree with you more. Something is not right about that photo.
Bump!
My experience with photoshopped pics is more like the pic Johan555 posted of the skull underwater that, I think it was Wreck commented it looked like it had sunglasses on. In other words, most photoshopped pics I've seen have some telltale signs of being faked/edited. I know nothing about the plankton and particulate matter in the water and how they
should
appear in these pictures.
Do any of the Freebirds or anyone else have anything to add to this conversation? Was there ever any discussion with Kyle about the clarity of the underwater pictures? May I ask whether any of you think these pics were photoshopped?
Thanks in advance!
I would think word would have came down the pike that those were photoshopped via the FBI,and or Beth.Klaas,Kermit,and or any Freebird would be able to answer that much better! may be able to answer
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: klaasend on February 03, 2009, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: texasmom on February 03, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on February 03, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
I am impressed, Wreck.
You still watchin reruns of Sanford and Son?
Hey...I watch Sanford and Son sometimes too!
TV isn't like it used to be!Oh,oh Mrrrr.Kotttterrrrr!
O/T
http://www.youtube.com/v/VT5lnynu9l8&hl=en&fs=1
That was awesome.Those where the days.Welcome Back Kotter,Taxi,Sanford and Son,All in the Family,Happy days,Laverne and Shirley!What happened to TV??
Yes it was Awesome..Thanks Klaas...KTF You forgot... Mama's Family. That was a really good one too!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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February 03, 2009, 10:05:35 PM »
Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
President Chavez has banned Aruban airlines.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2971941/Venezuela_weert_vliegtuigen_uit_Aruba_en_Curaccedilao.html
some Arubans are now stuck in Venezuela.
reason for this might be that Venezuelans go to Aruba to exchange bolivars for U.S. dollars.
Sounds like Chavez will make some arubans examples. Chavez doesn't play around. I hope these people are safe and o.k. (unless it is Joran, paulus or the kalpoes).
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Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:36:50 PM
Tourism Minister Edison Briesen is pissed off because KLM is going to stop flying to Aruba.
he says KLM made him look a like a fool.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3165944/___KLM_zet_Aruba_in_hemd___.html
Didn't take much to make Briesen look like a fool did it?
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Now I'm watching "Wreckreation Nation" on Discovery!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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Reply #709 on:
February 03, 2009, 10:16:23 PM »
Quote from: Blue Moon on February 03, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
President Chavez has banned Aruban airlines.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2971941/Venezuela_weert_vliegtuigen_uit_Aruba_en_Curaccedilao.html
some Arubans are now stuck in Venezuela.
reason for this might be that Venezuelans go to Aruba to exchange bolivars for U.S. dollars.
Sounds like Chavez will make some arubans examples. Chavez doesn't play around. I hope these people are safe and o.k. (unless it is Joran, paulus or the kalpoes).
I love it!
Wednesday 04 February 2009
Venezuela weert aircraft from Aruba and Curacao
ORANGE CITY - The Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, the landing rights of Aruban and Antillean airlines repealed. That the Aruban Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison snort Tuesday (local time) confirmed. Aruban Some passengers waiting in Venezuela to be obtained.
The motif is not snort Venezuela published. ,, On the street we hear that Chávez not want them to come here for dollars.''In recent years many Venezuelans came to the islands for their currencies to dollars to continue. Since change in Venezuela is punishable, has led to the emergence of a black market that usurious prices.
Through the Dutch embassy in the capital Caracas is now obsolete as the official reason, according to Minister breeze. Panama also is facing a ban of Chávez.
According to Peter Steinmetz, director of Aruba Airport Reina Beatrix, an official line carriers can operate flights still care. The Aruban airline Tiara Air flies almost daily in the country, it's not for a permanent license to arrive. ,, Until now, they asked weekly authorization for the charters''said Steinmetz. The Antillean Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) is since January not authorize charters to Venezuela.
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I watch TV.
Is it on?
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Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 10:11:40 PM
Now I'm watching "Wreckreation Nation" on Discovery!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SShowYy0nrs&feature=PlayList&p=A659FFE6CBE1B100&playnext=1&index=1
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #798 2/1/09 -
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February 03, 2009, 10:21:37 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 03, 2009, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon on February 03, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
President Chavez has banned Aruban airlines.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2971941/Venezuela_weert_vliegtuigen_uit_Aruba_en_Curaccedilao.html
some Arubans are now stuck in Venezuela.
reason for this might be that Venezuelans go to Aruba to exchange bolivars for U.S. dollars.
Sounds like Chavez will make some arubans examples. Chavez doesn't play around. I hope these people are safe and o.k. (unless it is Joran, paulus or the kalpoes).
I love it!
Wednesday 04 February 2009
Venezuela weert aircraft from Aruba and Curacao
ORANGE CITY - The Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, the landing rights of Aruban and Antillean airlines repealed. That the Aruban Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison snort Tuesday (local time) confirmed. Aruban Some passengers waiting in Venezuela to be obtained.
The motif is not snort Venezuela published. ,, On the street we hear that Chávez not want them to come here for dollars.''In recent years many Venezuelans came to the islands for their currencies to dollars to continue. Since change in Venezuela is punishable, has led to the emergence of a black market that usurious prices.
Through the Dutch embassy in the capital Caracas is now obsolete as the official reason, according to Minister breeze. Panama also is facing a ban of Chávez.
According to Peter Steinmetz, director of Aruba Airport Reina Beatrix, an official line carriers can operate flights still care. The Aruban airline Tiara Air flies almost daily in the country, it's not for a permanent license to arrive. ,, Until now, they asked weekly authorization for the charters''said Steinmetz. The Antillean Dutch Antilles Express (DAE) is since January not authorize charters to Venezuela.
*snort*
*snort*
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Quote from: hotping on February 03, 2009, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: Kermit on February 03, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
Thank you Miss Magnolia for my brand new suit. I'll surely need it when I go to the Fraser Valley for a visit to Janets lovely pond and shoefly pie.
I Love It!
I want one, please, please.
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Quote from: billb on February 03, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
Is it on?
I just about peed myself!
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February 03, 2009, 10:49:17 PM »
Quote from: Blue Moon on February 03, 2009, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:36:50 PM
Tourism Minister Edison Briesen is pissed off because KLM is going to stop flying to Aruba.
he says KLM made him look a like a fool.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3165944/___KLM_zet_Aruba_in_hemd___.html
Didn't take much to make Briesen look like a fool did it?
Yeah, since when has he ever needed any help to look foolish!
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: billb on February 03, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
Is it on?
I just about peed myself!
No, the tube lasts longer that way!
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February 03, 2009, 10:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Blue Moon on February 03, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
Quote from: caesu on February 03, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
President Chavez has banned Aruban airlines.
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2971941/Venezuela_weert_vliegtuigen_uit_Aruba_en_Curaccedilao.html
some Arubans are now stuck in Venezuela.
reason for this might be that Venezuelans go to Aruba to exchange bolivars for U.S. dollars.
Sounds like Chavez will make some arubans examples. Chavez doesn't play around. I hope these people are safe and o.k. (unless it is Joran, paulus or the kalpoes).
I once knew a poster who sent Chavez emails in Spanish telling him that a REAL Man wouldn't let the Dutch take his islands like that, lol. One of those pot stirrers I suspect.
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Quote from: Kermit on February 03, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
Thank you Miss Magnolia for my brand new suit. I'll surely need it when I go to the Fraser Valley for a visit to Janets lovely pond and shoefly pie.
Oh, Kermit. I am so glad to see that it fits so well!
I was worried. It was hard to find goat wool in your color.
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Quote from: Keepthefaith on February 03, 2009, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: billb on February 03, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: wreck on February 03, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
I watch TV.
Is it on?
I just about peed myself!
No, the tube lasts longer that way!
Lord,have Mercy on Wreck and BILLB if i pass away from laughing to hard!
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===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
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===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
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