Caylee Marie Anthony #102 4/01/09 - 4/04/09

[darla]

Goodnight Monkeys. Hope you have a great night.

Leroy thank you so much for the good belly laugh tonight.

Hopefully we will get a document dump tomorrow, so we will have something new to talk about.

Sorry If I offended anyone talking about the pics or Joy.

[klaasend]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I'm really hoping that this next document dump with give us those answers.

[mgoblue]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

A big part of me would like to why as well, but I still wont understand how someone does this to their child. 

Good point. The use of "understand" was inappropriate. I just cant fathom the whole situation and look for answers.

[Leroy]

Goodnight Monkeys. Hope you have a great night.

Leroy thank you so much for the good belly laugh tonight.

Hopefully we will get a document dump tomorrow, so we will have something new to talk about.

Sorry If I offended anyone talking about the pics or Joy.

Darla - You certainly didn't offend me....Sweet Dreams!

[Shell]

Oh my, I didn't know my reply was gonna make that stupid pic come up again. 

Well sorry if I offended you, but I was just making an observation that I had not seen other monkeys make on this picture, which has been discussed on here numerous times... I'm not really sure it still counts as a "pornographic" pic if it doesn't show anything "pornographic"... But again, I apologize...

Come on, at that position and angle, can we really tell who it is? If I knew where the pic originally came from, I might change my opinion.

[mgoblue]

Possibly Peter Benevides

Thanks. How does he fit in? I guess I've totally missed him.

Owner of Skyview Exotic Car Rentals who posted the reward money. Why he posted the reward money, I don't know.
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Thanks.

[Leroy]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

A big part of me would like to why as well, but I still wont understand how someone does this to their child. 

Good point. The use of "understand" was inappropriate. I just cant fathom the whole situation and look for answers.

I would actually feel tons better if we found out Caylee died as a result of an accident however I just dont think it was....I am like you and just cant fathom any of this.

[TURBOTHINK]

watching WESH right now and they say George is home, his family opted to have him come home instead of to another hospital. Guess Cindy still wears the pants 

She is terrified of what he has told and they have to debrief him. LOL

[always 1]

I would have thought that George's doc would have protected him and sent him to another hospital liked was said.  I dont know what it is like there, but it sure doesnt seem to be a good enviornment.

[Foggy Dew]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

I need to know why, too.  I always have to know the why about things--esp. when it comes to someone killing a defenseless creature.

I do think the family is messed up.  But there's something else to bear here.  Its not a "simple" thing like that looney in TX who brutalized/killed Baby Grace.  And folks who think death might go back on table for Caylee's murderer should dream on.  Texas is a smoke 'em state, and this horribly cruel woman only got life...though I guess she might have turned on her husband and he may pay.  I don't know since I haven't followed that case.

Imho, alleged perp in Caylee's case had no impulse control and flew off the handle and took out her frustration on the weakest person in her midst.  People like that (in my experience) never take on someone their own size.  Perhaps being strung out on something reduced her inhibitions/exacerbated her pre-existing impulse control and anger issues.  Whatev.

All this to say I think the why Caylee died is vastly important.

[TURBOTHINK]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

A big part of me would like to why as well, but I still wont understand how someone does this to their child. 

Good point. The use of "understand" was inappropriate. I just cant fathom the whole situation and look for answers.

I would actually feel tons better if we found out Caylee died as a result of an accident however I just dont think it was....I am like you and just cant fathom any of this.

Most people in this world (THANK GOODNESS) cannot wrap their mind around the ability to kill an innocent child with no remose. A sociopath/psychopath does not think about consequences because they believe themselves to be smarter than LE and everyone else. KC has never suffered a consequence because her sociopathic mother covered up her transgressions her entire life. KC thought George and Cindy would pull it off this time too, but all that happened was they will be arrested before it is over too.

I understand KC - I don't understand grandparents lying and covering up for the killer of that baby.

[Leroy]

I would have thought that George's doc would have protected him and sent him to another hospital liked was said.  I dont know what it is like there, but it sure doesnt seem to be a good enviornment.

I agree. I am thinking his doc recomended it but Cindy wouldn't allow it.  Seems foolish to send him right back to the same environment that had to play a big part in why he was hospitalized to begin with.

[TURBOTHINK]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

I need to know why, too.  I always have to know the why about things--esp. when it comes to someone killing a defenseless creature.

I do think the family is messed up.  But there's something else to bear here.  Its not a "simple" thing like that looney in TX who brutalized/killed Baby Grace.  And folks who think death might go back on table for Caylee's murderer should dream on.  Texas is a smoke 'em state, and this horribly cruel woman only got life...though I guess she might have turned on her husband and he may pay.  I don't know since I haven't followed that case.

Imho, alleged perp in Caylee's case had no impulse control and flew off the handle and took out her frustration on the weakest person in her midst.  People like that (in my experience) never take on someone their own size.  Perhaps being strung out on something reduced her inhibitions/exacerbated her pre-existing impulse control and anger issues.  Whatev.

All this to say I think the why Caylee died is vastly important.

WHY she died is less important than why there is such an attempted cover up of the death.

She died because KC was sick and tired of being burdened down by her. She was tired of covering up her lack of a job and she could not leave because of Caylee. She didn't want her, but she refused to let Cindy have her. That would be admitting defeat in her eyes and that was never acceptable in the life long power struggle with her mother.

[Leroy]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

A big part of me would like to why as well, but I still wont understand how someone does this to their child. 

Good point. The use of "understand" was inappropriate. I just cant fathom the whole situation and look for answers.

I would actually feel tons better if we found out Caylee died as a result of an accident however I just dont think it was....I am like you and just cant fathom any of this.

Most people in this world (THANK GOODNESS) cannot wrap their mind around the ability to kill an innocent child with no remose. A sociopath/psychopath does not think about consequences because they believe themselves to be smarter than LE and everyone else. KC has never suffered a consequence because her sociopathic mother covered up her transgressions her entire life. KC thought George and Cindy would pull it off this time too, but all that happened was they will be arrested before it is over too.

I understand KC - I don't understand grandparents lying and covering up for the killer of that baby.

Thanks for the insight on KC....I have never dealt with anyone like this personally. 

BTW - I just love your dog.....I cant wait till Leroy is fully grown!

[TURBOTHINK]

I would have thought that George's doc would have protected him and sent him to another hospital liked was said.  I dont know what it is like there, but it sure doesnt seem to be a good enviornment.

I agree. I am thinking his doc recomended it but Cindy wouldn't allow it.  Seems foolish to send him right back to the same environment that had to play a big part in why he was hospitalized to begin with.

There may not have been anywhere that would take him. With no one working they most likely do not have any insurance. When someone is Baker Acted, the state pays, but when they are released, they have to pay. I would guess he could not get into any facility.

[Leroy]

At the end of the day I just want Justice for Caylee.  In getting that, I do hope we find out the why, when, how etc., if even only for piece of mind.

[klaasend]

At the end of the day I just want Justice for Caylee.  In getting that, I do hope we find out the why, when, how etc., if even only for piece of mind.

Me too

[TURBOTHINK]

I have this theory about the sex industry, having had a few friends who stripped and took pictures and various other things just short of actual prostitution....it's a steep and slippery slope. There is a certain mentality....well, I am dancing for them and they are giving me money....why not just let them touch me.....why not just let them sleep with me....and on, and on, and on.....

I have never seen anybody just stop at one level of that industry....seems to be a whole hog kind of deal....no pun intended....

Unfortunately you are right for many of them. I know some people who got into strip clubs to make money in college, but they found they could not do it without drinking and sometimes drugs. It was not really the job, but the addictions which caught up with them fast.

I do know one friend who never drank or drugged and she said when she got enough money she was buying a large home with a lot of acreage. I never thought that would happen, but she darn sure did and walked away. She bought a beautiful farm, built a beautiful home and has lived well for many years. She shared our apartment in college and she used to get furious if she made less than $500.00 a night. Weekends she always made over $1,000.00 a night. That is why I thought she would never leave, but she did. She is a beautiful woman, with long red hair, and a great body, so I can see how she made so much. Someone like KC would have to do internet porn, she was not the caliber of the women I have met.

[Foggy Dew]

I would have thought that George's doc would have protected him and sent him to another hospital liked was said.  I dont know what it is like there, but it sure doesnt seem to be a good enviornment.

Always, the M.D. might not have a good handle on what type of environment to which GA'd be returning.  The doctor(s) can only go on what they know.  If he went in there and only told them what he wanted them to hear, they might only be dealing w/this as a situational depression based on the loss of Caylee.  Just a thought...

[mizjay]

Okay, so I'm just going to be blunt here. I'm tiring myself out trying to wrap my brain around theories about KC's drug habits, who knew and didn't know that Caylee was dead before the public even knew she was missing, what the Anthonys' involvement may or may not have been, whether KC was involved in porn, where/why she chose the name ZFG, what the connection is to Jennifer Kesse and Nicole Ganguzza, if Kronk is on the up-and-up, whether George was really suicidal, if there really was a BlackJack phone, and so on and so forth . . . .and then I realized today that ALL . . . I .... REALLY .... WANT .... TO ....KNOW .....IS ......
WHOSE FINGERPRINTS ARE ON THE BAG AND THE DUCT TAPE; ARE THEY CASEY'S FINGERPRINTS AND NO ONE ELSE'S???

If they are, I will be satisfied and stop obsessing over this case. Because then I will know justice will be served because jurors cannot be blindsided by crazy defense strategy when the forensic evidence is rock-solid (okay, yes, they were in the OJ trial, but that's another story; KC is not OJ and no one is going to let her off for killing her baby).

I agree, except I'd still like to understand why? Maybe that's just my problem.

I need to know why, too.  I always have to know the why about things--esp. when it comes to someone killing a defenseless creature.

I do think the family is messed up.  But there's something else to bear here.  Its not a "simple" thing like that looney in TX who brutalized/killed Baby Grace.  And folks who think death might go back on table for Caylee's murderer should dream on.  Texas is a smoke 'em state, and this horribly cruel woman only got life...though I guess she might have turned on her husband and he may pay.  I don't know since I haven't followed that case.

Imho, alleged perp in Caylee's case had no impulse control and flew off the handle and took out her frustration on the weakest person in her midst.  People like that (in my experience) never take on someone their own size.  Perhaps being strung out on something reduced her inhibitions/exacerbated her pre-existing impulse control and anger issues.  Whatev.

All this to say I think the why Caylee died is vastly important.