Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #14 2/2 -2/5/09

[Kermit]

Thank you, Kermit.

I am sure that it is stalking to go to Facebook pages and attempt to actually make contact with people's kids' friends, etc.

There are laws against internet stalking.  I have to go out for a bit but when I return I will try to better educate myself on them.

I think it is just a bit over the top.

Why do they need all this personal information and are even willing to phone people long distance to try to get it? 

There is no good reason to drag the children of posters into their sicko acts of desperation or whatever it is they think they are doing.









Yeah, what they do is secret so no one can see the lies and sick and dirty stuff they are doing.  But they do leave a paper and record trail, nonetheless.

I absolutely agree. It is illegal.
Instead of them presenting evidence contrary to what anyone posts about the case, they stalk the poster, lie about them and create diversions.

[klaasend]

JuJu
Link to CnG slide show

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CnG/?action=view&current=0621cd0b.pbr

[Kermit]

Kermie - have I told you lately how much I adore you?!?!

Your character, honor, integrity and morals are things about you that I hold dear to my heart.

The small minded folks at the whine and cry site can't hold a candle to you, my friend.

I know why you do what you do - you have a good heart.

In the end - that's all that matters.

Actually, I pretty much figgerd everyone hated me by now.
Like Janet, we were both attacked maliciously by SS and now to see what ******* and the members of CnG were doing ---- well it saddens me greatly.

Thank you for your words of support.

I will always love you and the Freebirds.

[klaasend]

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste

Off to the hidey-hole,HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's turn is it today?????

I have to say again (and no offense to TS2) but it appears either TS2 has become very verbose or TS2 had copy and paste detail.  I still say that's an entry level position: 

[texasmom]

Kermie - have I told you lately how much I adore you?!?!

Your character, honor, integrity and morals are things about you that I hold dear to my heart.

The small minded folks at the whine and cry site can't hold a candle to you, my friend.

I know why you do what you do - you have a good heart.

In the end - that's all that matters.

I don't know Kermit nearly as well as Jen does, but I feel the same!  

Love and hugs to Kermit!  

[Seamonkey]

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste

Off to the hidey-hole,HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's turn is it today?????

[BTgirl]

Adding, if you push buttons you ARE IN THE FIGHT.

There was only ONE thing i fully agreed with that was off the caylee thread in cng that mrskub had posted. Of course she ONLY posted it AFTER this person was banned and couldnt see it. Instead of being honest of how she felt about the person up front..but oh well...some people...what can ya say?

I meant posted off OF the caylee thread..I did agree with most of what was said in the caylee thread tho couldnt understand why one of them would be friends to one of those disfunctional family members. I think that whole wack-o family should rot in hell. But that thought is for another thread lol.

hmm evidently i have spelled disfunctional wrong according to the spell thingy.. lol oh well ya all know what i mean. and for the life of me i cant see how to fix it. lol

You folks can go ahead and have as much fun at my expense as you want to. I'm not pushing buttons or stirring anything, but if you choose to believe that, then that's your right. My right is to like everyone if I want to, and if people who want me to take a side find that annoying, then I'm sorry. It won't change my mind, of course, but I will try to be understanding of your position. Very cute sock monkey, by the way.

[mytime]

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste

Off to the hidey-hole,HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's turn is it today?????

That has become Mammy's sole purpose in life!!  I have to wonder about a "Christian" woman, a grandmother, consumed with so much hate in her heart!!    

She is not only drinking the koolaid - she is making it and serving it!! 

[Kermit]

Many of us have wondered if Mrsk herself is the the "leak."  I think she would enjoy causing all this dissention!!  I think she would enjoy trying to hurt Klaas and others - purely to make herself seem so important.

I can "verify" most of what Art has said about her leaving CnG.  This was all told to me at the time it happened!! So yes, Art asked to have her account removed! And yes, she was falsely being accused!!

The person that you speak of Art - I am so sad for!!  She is now even bashing TES!!  I pray she sees the light before it is too late and she drinks the laced koolaid that Jim Jones ordered his followers to drink.

What a sick avatar!!  And I have good sense of humor - nothing funny about that one!!!!

I don't know her at all, never heard of her until I saw that slide show, but I, too, thought it odd that she banned you and then emails Klassend.

[Keepthefaith]

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste

Off to the hidey-hole,HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's turn is it today?????

That is awesome SeaMonkey!

[casa]

From slide show: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.880


******* said: "I do not like looking up personal info on people but we had no choice. Like others at SM she has some major issues. She is trying to make it look like we are a cult."

******* said: "She is no agent, she never has any association with the secret service or government jobs like the FBI or working with Kenneth Starr...She's a Fraud."

Casa said: "Thank you so much ******* I have had a bad feeling about Kermit from the start. I have always thought she was a fraud.



Thank you, now I know who was doing & saying what and spreading lies about me and other SM members.

Just need to make sure you get your facts correct before you try to slander people maliciously.

January 1996 - Information/evidence meeting with FBI assigned to Independent Kenneth Starr's investigation took place in (edited).

October 1997 - documents were left with Rep Henry Hyde regarding information that was turned over to Starr's office.


From a letter to me from Ron Packard  dated Feb. 9, 1998:

" Thank you for sharing your correspondence with Congressman Hyde and the House Judiciary Committee with me."

Majority counsel David Schippers stated "he has uncovered more evidence of obstruction of justice, witness tampering, abuse of power...."

Mr. Schippers was referring the appearance before the Judiciary counsel in Washington D.C at 9:30 am on December 8, 1998. Wherein the discussion with the judiciary counsel was: President Clinton. Names, amounts of money and how Bill Clinton laundered money. In other words, it was spelled out with evidence.



So, please explain to me Mister *******, and members of Chat and Grumble how I was not involved.

You can't.
The reason is: I was involved.


You people at Chat and Grumble are despicable and what you are doing is wrong, mean, hurtful and illegal.

Casa, since you claim to others to be Beth's friend, go ask her to show you the emails!

Then show them to your pal ******* and the rest of your gang who have done everything to slander me and lie about me and intentionally cause me harm. Being mis-informed and uneducated is no excuse for your behavior and the behavior of everyone participating with Chat and Grumble site.
btw, your LEAK is still there!

Kermit, to show just how much I was not in the know there, apparently they thought I was the one leaking information.  I have asked Mum to have them remove my name totally from the site as I am not interested in posting anywhere there.  I had only been a member since Dec. 29.  I am not a friend of Beth but actually someone else.  I've never had the pleasure of meeting her.  The way I worded that statement was not very nice and for that I apologize.  I think we can agree to disagree about the Persistence.  I do think trying to find out information on others for whatever reason is wrong.  My main sin with that was not disagreeing.  Klaas can vouch for the fact that ******* and I have not been big buddies.  As a matter of fact, I was quite surprised that I was allowed to join there when I found out he was one of the mods.  I did tell him when I joined that I thought we should forget our disagreements in the past.  I am a firm believer in forgiving and starting over.  If everything you have said does prove to be true, I promise you I will be the first in line to eat crow and apologize for not believing everything.

[Seamonkey]

Copy,paste,Copy,paste,Copy,paste

Off to the hidey-hole,HEY!Off to the Hidey-hole.HEY!

Who's turn is it today?????

That is awesome SeaMonkey!

well took me three pages of tellin me this page does not exist lol

TY ktf, I was bored one night and playing with a few programs lol...and i refer to cng as bobblehead central lol where ya nod and smile nod and smile...if ya dont..ya POOF! history.

[jen3560]

Oh - oh.  Looks like someone could be facing some serious legal problems in the near future   :


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[Seamonkey]

Adding, if you push buttons you ARE IN THE FIGHT.

There was only ONE thing i fully agreed with that was off the caylee thread in cng that mrskub had posted. Of course she ONLY posted it AFTER this person was banned and couldnt see it. Instead of being honest of how she felt about the person up front..but oh well...some people...what can ya say?

I meant posted off OF the caylee thread..I did agree with most of what was said in the caylee thread tho couldnt understand why one of them would be friends to one of those disfunctional family members. I think that whole wack-o family should rot in hell. But that thought is for another thread lol.

hmm evidently i have spelled disfunctional wrong according to the spell thingy.. lol oh well ya all know what i mean. and for the life of me i cant see how to fix it. lol

You folks can go ahead and have as much fun at my expense as you want to. I'm not pushing buttons or stirring anything, but if you choose to believe that, then that's your right. My right is to like everyone if I want to, and if people who want me to take a side find that annoying, then I'm sorry. It won't change my mind, of course, but I will try to be understanding of your position. Very cute sock monkey, by the way.

ah gee thanks BT, wasnt looking for permission..but thanks anyways. NO sides, just dont state things you know nothing about FULLY is all.

[mytime]

Many of us have wondered if Mrsk herself is the the "leak."  I think she would enjoy causing all this dissention!!  I think she would enjoy trying to hurt Klaas and others - purely to make herself seem so important.

I can "verify" most of what Art has said about her leaving CnG.  This was all told to me at the time it happened!! So yes, Art asked to have her account removed! And yes, she was falsely being accused!!

The person that you speak of Art - I am so sad for!!  She is now even bashing TES!!  I pray she sees the light before it is too late and she drinks the laced koolaid that Jim Jones ordered his followers to drink.

What a sick avatar!!  And I have good sense of humor - nothing funny about that one!!!!

I don't know her at all, never heard of her until I saw that slide show, but I, too, thought it odd that she banned you and then emails Klassend.

LOL - oh But but but - it was not her!!  I am a liar or Klaas manipulated the address!!     Ok grumblers - keep on drinking the Koolaid!! 

[Kermit]

Kermie - have I told you lately how much I adore you?!?!

Your character, honor, integrity and morals are things about you that I hold dear to my heart.

The small minded folks at the whine and cry site can't hold a candle to you, my friend.

I know why you do what you do - you have a good heart.

In the end - that's all that matters.

I don't know Kermit nearly as well as Jen does, but I feel the same!  

Love and hugs to Kermit!  

Your integrity speaks volumes. Anyone who has you in their life is blessed.

love to you.

[jen3560]

Kermie - have I told you lately how much I adore you?!?!

Your character, honor, integrity and morals are things about you that I hold dear to my heart.

The small minded folks at the whine and cry site can't hold a candle to you, my friend.

I know why you do what you do - you have a good heart.

In the end - that's all that matters.

Actually, I pretty much figgerd everyone hated me by now.
Like Janet, we were both attacked maliciously by SS and now to see what ******* and the members of CnG were doing ---- well it saddens me greatly.

Thank you for your words of support.

I will always love you and the Freebirds.

Kerm - you'll always have my support.  Always.

The tactic of attacking the messenger is not a new one, and sadly it's now being perpetuated by those who many here held near and dear to their hearts.

My wonderful and insightful friend was right when she told me the other day - Chat and Grumble is the "New Dark Side".

That is becoming painfully obvious to everyone.

Stalking people's children?  Viciously attacking posters and tripping over themselves to find out personal information?

Good LORD!!!  What did they do?  Take a page right out of RU and FOB's hand books?

REALLY something for them to be proud of!

[klaasend]

WOW - All I can say is WOW.  I'm not sure how Destiny can live with herself.  NO BOOK, NO NEED FOR HER CONTACT INFO, NO DISBELIEF THAT THE LETTER WOULD BE PUBLISHED.  She is FOS




Destiny had asked me to put the letter for Diario in tif format and jpg format.  This is what her source at Diario was asking from her so I helped her out with that.  There was never anything said be me about whether I thought it would or would not be published.  Destiny is FOS again.  Below is a copy of the last email correspondence prior to the letter being published in Diaro.  Actually at the time DESTINY WANTED TO MARRY ME   

Re: Hi resolution .tif format‏
From:  ((edit)) DESTINY 
Sent: Thu 5/29/08 2:09 PM
To:  klaasend scaredmonkeys (smklaas@hotmail.com)

Sent this, and Jpeg photos...will call in a couple of minutes to see if all is fine....Will You Marry Me...LOL!!!!!!


klaasend scaredmonkeys wrote:

Destiny - below is the text:
 
 

Dear Friends in Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we come to you, the kind people of Aruba, to help heal our pain.

We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild, niece and friend. We need resolve and peace in her loss, and come to you to find this.

We know that Aruba also has suffered because of this tragedy. Together, with the common goal of bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a few, no matter where in this world it exists, threatens all of us.

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do believe in, is a government and its people, that consider justice for wrongdoing an essential requirement of civilization.

We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who can bring a child home to her loved ones. It takes only one brave voice, one brave heart, to make this happen.

Someone on Aruba surely knows what happened to Natalee. That “someone” can restore Aruba to the jewel of an island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard. Whether it was fear, corruption, or incompetence that hampered the investigation in this case, it tainted your island’s reputation.

Let someone rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home, and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deeply into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how much a person can be loved. To understand the frustration caused by outrageous rumors and claims. To understand the agony of a family that cannot provide a proper burial for a loved one.

We ask for your help, fully aware that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we include contact information for the Birmingham office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) so that you can safely submit information you have.

Please be the hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact the Birmingham, Alabama, office of the FBI

 

An FBI representative can be reached 24 hours a day by calling 001-205-326-6166.

 

Or, FBI Tip Line at 001-877-627-2533.

 

https://tips.fbi.gov/                                                       Written by:  Friends of Natalee

[klaasend]

Many of us have wondered if Mrsk herself is the the "leak."  I think she would enjoy causing all this dissention!!  I think she would enjoy trying to hurt Klaas and others - purely to make herself seem so important.

I can "verify" most of what Art has said about her leaving CnG.  This was all told to me at the time it happened!! So yes, Art asked to have her account removed! And yes, she was falsely being accused!!

The person that you speak of Art - I am so sad for!!  She is now even bashing TES!!  I pray she sees the light before it is too late and she drinks the laced koolaid that Jim Jones ordered his followers to drink.

What a sick avatar!!  And I have good sense of humor - nothing funny about that one!!!!

I don't know her at all, never heard of her until I saw that slide show, but I, too, thought it odd that she banned you and then emails Klassend.

Kermit - Mrsk was trying to stir up poop but it didn't work.  Actually it backfired.  The email the person used to send me the info on Mytime just happened to be an email address of an old member of SM (from 2005).  That same member just happened to have a Youtube and Webshot account and just happened (JUST LIKE MRSKUB) to go on a Graveyard tour last November and posted about it at Goldmonkey.  So, yes...Mrskub emailed me trying to cause sh**

[Tamikosmom]

From slide show: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.880

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