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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #180 on: February 06, 2009, 01:44:06 AM »



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #181 on: February 06, 2009, 07:57:48 AM »

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« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2009, 08:19:13 AM »

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Aruba accuses the Netherlands of spying
5 Feb, 2009, 08:23 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD – The leaking out of a weekly report, in which the Dutch representation (VNO) in Aruba made a report of the occurrences on the island, has caused a lot of commotion in the Kingdom.  Premier Nelson Oduber talks about an ‘irreparable damage’ to the relation between both countries.  Justice-minister Rudy Croes accuses the Netherlands of spying. “VNO can better be called the CIA of the Netherlands.”

The weekly report number 3 was mailed on January 15 to among others the Dutch minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin and to state secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of Kingdom Relations by the acting Representative in Aruba, Myriam Jacobs.  A Dutch civil servant has probably forwarded the mail to an Aruban civil servant, after which Minister Croes has announced the content of the mail to the media during a press conference.

PG is an oiler
There are damaging statements in the report; about premier Oduber, several ministers and lawyer Hendrik Croes, the brother of Minister Croes.  It is the lawyer and former Justice-minister that according to VNO plays the political game with the Netherlands with the following players and roles: “Nel Oduber posts himself moderately cooperative and constantly apologizes to the Netherlands for Rudy Croes’ behaviour (…).  Hendrik is all the time in the background, but is of course the architect of the game.  Keep in mind;
Together with Oduber, he thinks of the strategy.  (…)Rudy (Minister Rudy Croes, red.) plays the ram course-role and sets the tone to ultimately guard the legacy of Betico and thus keep the electoral status satisfied.   Minister Wever (of Public Health, Environment, Administrative- and Immigration Affairs, red.) feeds the nationalistic feelings of the electoral status.”
Also the sons of Hendrik and premier Oduber are mentioned in the VNO-report.  Together with Oduber’s son, who was recently granted a firearms license, despite negative advice from the Aruban police corps, Edward Croes plays a ‘more physical part’ by intimidating people.

Also the new procurator general of Aruba is not spared.  VNO speaks of ‘the oiler that publicly strives for cooperation, calls minister Croes an undirected projectile and in the meantime implements Hendrik’s plans’.  According to the VNO, the MEP will also ‘be going more on ram-course towards the Netherlands, upon instructions of Hendrik Croes’, who supposedly has also given the ideas to use swastikas during the demonstration against the Round Table Conference in December of last year.
 

‘Get rid of Minister Tromp’
In consideration with the parliament elections this year, the future of each administrator is also sketched in the weekly report.  The report states among others that the MEP ‘wants to get rid of Education-minister Marisol Tromp, probably via a scandal’.  The MEP is also planning to unplug the own government right before the elections, so that the smaller parties that form the biggest threat for the MEP, cannot prepare themselves well for the elections.

VNO says that they got the information from a very reliable source that is popular for his good contacts within the government party.  The VNO includes the results from the conversation with this source in the political analysis as a preamble on the elections.  Minister Croes is accusing Mito Croes, who is recently put on the CDA-candidate list for the European Parliament.  He also accuses opposition leaders Mike Eman (AVP) and Rudy Lampe (RED).


Letter to Balkenende
In a letter to the Dutch Premier Jan Peter Balkenende, Minister Rudy Croes condemnes the annual report of the VNO.  “I want to rubricate the document as shameful, due to its contents.”  Croes moreover refers to the Dutch parliament’s call for a parliamentary inquiry into the decision making around the Iraq’s invasion that is also something that is based on patent lies’.  Croes says that if the Netherlands finds something punishable about him and his brother, they must lodge a complaint with the Public Prosecutor.   
“But don’t come with gossips like this”, says Croes that calls VNO a ‘gossip house’.  He is wondering how long this spying has been going, because a weekly report number 3 suggests that there must have been many before.  “This has led to something very serious within the Kingdom.  I’m curious what they are writing about Curacao.  The Upper and Lower House must cross-examine the state secretary about that.  Isn’t everybody talking about transparency?”

Liaison Venezuela
Premier Nelson Oduber has also sent a written reaction to the VNO and the Aruban governor.  “I regret having cooperated in good faith and against all advices with Defense-minister Henk Kamp to place a liaison in Aruba for the work in Venezuela, under the condition that he will not interfere with local matters.”  With VNO’s ‘wild stories and lies’ it is once again proven that ‘we cannot trust each other’.
State secretary Ank Bijleveld and Premier Oduber had a telephone conversation right before the mail leaked out.  Also the Dutch information service AIVD is studying the case.  A reaction from the Netherlands or from the Representation in Aruba is not on hand yet. 
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_52415.php
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« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2009, 08:25:33 AM »

Does Rudy Croes strike anybody else as a bit of a Drama Queen?

Not sure what an "oiler" means in this context, either.

So what's up with this?  Are they just using this as an excuse for a final break from Dutch control because they want to do whatever they please with that island?

Sure hope they can pay the bills for a change but that is also troubling when one considers why they might think they could do so.

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« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2009, 08:39:26 AM »

Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

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« Reply #185 on: February 06, 2009, 08:51:31 AM »

Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

TIA

he is just over a month PG.
but before that he was caretaker PG for 6 months.

he ordered the Landsrecherche investigation into the initial investigation...

the Dutch AIVD (secret service) is now investigating how this internal report could have leaked to Rudy Croes.
state secretary Bijleveld is saddened that is has leaked and finds it a serious matter.
she started an internal investigation.
she won't talk about the the contents of the internal report because it is secret.

but Rudy Croes has made it public already anyway.

at least one political party is asking the Dutch Justice Minister and Bijleveld question.
this party is a government coalition party (CU), not an opposition party.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1390264/Ministerie+onderzoekt+uitlekken+informatie+Aruba.html
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2024635.ece/_Nederland_doet_niet_aan_spionage_op_Aruba_.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090206_crisis
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144582.ece/Weer_rel_Aruba_na_lekken_geheim_rapport

funny thing is that this shows the Dutch government agrees with Brinkman.
it only won't say that publically.

the charges the report makes are even more detailed and serious than many things Brinkman said.
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« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2009, 09:37:43 AM »

I had to take some time before I responded to the comments about me.  I am not going to bring all the other posts here.  Quote stacks wear very thin. 

Lifesong and Jen,

Who I am is none of your concern.  You are paranoid.  Stop looking for conspiracy in everything.  We are here to discuss and that means bringing up differing theories to get to the truth.  L. Ron Hubbard saw conspiracy in everything.  Should I assume you are his followers? 

Lifesong,

We are not all in agreement with your theory about the cage pictures.  You brought up the issue.  I responded with a different point of view, and you are too close minded to listen to anything.  I even used your “research” to prove my point that the interior cage picture was photoshopped and you ignored it.  It is a simple fact that the full spectrum of light does not penetrate 90 feet of water.  If you don’t believe me, do some real research and make a dive to 90 feet.  There is no evidence in the picture that a flood light or strobe light was used to illuminate the whole area.  If you watched closely the ROV video that was posted, you would have seen the limited illumination area given by the ROV.  So what does that leave one to assume?  The picture was photoshopped to add the color.  The issue of the ziplock bags is too obvious to me to even debate further with you.  Remember, you brought the subject up.  I wasn’t forcing my point of view on anyone.  I was only responding.  Until Kyle presents unadulterated pictures of evidence being collected and placed in those bags, I will not assume it has anything to with NAH, or that they even existed.  Maybe Kyle did and I missed them.  When you have video from an ROV, why not post the most compelling picture?  As to NAH’s body being in the cage, yes the cage is big enough, but not in the confined area Kyle placed her.  You saw the screenshot of the cage with the divers.  The cage has a 9 grid structure.  For a 7.5 foot cage, that is 2.5 feet per grid.  If she was lying stretched out she would span more than 2 grids.  If at a diagonal, the body would have spanned two grids or more considering the placement of the “skull”.  If curled in the tightest fetal position, the body would not fit the diagonal half.  This theory of body placement only fits if there is not enough current to move anything.  In reality, one would expect to find bones scattered in an even larger area.  If wrapped in a tarp, where is the tarp and why is the “body” covered in sand and the “skull” exposed.  Tarps do not decompose in full sun in 2 ½ years.   Are we dealing with reality or imagination?  I need more facts.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  How about a thousand questions?
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« Reply #187 on: February 06, 2009, 09:42:42 AM »

Thanks texasmom and caesu!

That the new PG is an oil man, is very, very disturbing to me.

Can anyone remember how long he's been on Aruba?

TIA

he is just over a month PG.
but before that he was caretaker PG for 6 months.

he ordered the Landsrecherche investigation into the initial investigation...

the Dutch AIVD (secret service) is now investigating how this internal report could have leaked to Rudy Croes.
state secretary Bijleveld is saddened that is has leaked and finds it a serious matter.
she started an internal investigation.
she won't talk about the the contents of the internal report because it is secret.

but Rudy Croes has made it public already anyway.

at least one political party is asking the Dutch Justice Minister and Bijleveld question.
this party is a government coalition party (CU), not an opposition party.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1390264/Ministerie+onderzoekt+uitlekken+informatie+Aruba.html
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article2024635.ece/_Nederland_doet_niet_aan_spionage_op_Aruba_.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20090206_crisis
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144582.ece/Weer_rel_Aruba_na_lekken_geheim_rapport

funny thing is that this shows the Dutch government agrees with Brinkman.
it only won't say that publically.

the charges the report makes are even more detailed and serious than many things Brinkman said.

caesu -- thanks you for bringing these articles over.

It goes a little slow with the translator  but I don't mind.

Really interesting stuff.

Thanks!


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« Reply #188 on: February 06, 2009, 09:56:57 AM »

Monkey Mia,

Huh?

I have not a clue what you are talking about........conspiracy.........paranoid............Um.

I have never posted to or about you, so methinks those accusations you hurled should be directed right back at yourself.

Lifesong read thru your posts and did his/her own research.

I don't need your drama, so wish you would refrain from trying to pull me into it.

If you choose to believe something has been photoshopped - that is certainly your prerogative. That others don't agree with you due to research and/or reasons of their own is also their prerogative.

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« Reply #189 on: February 06, 2009, 09:57:46 AM »

Oh and psssst....... the tarp was recovered by ALE divers approx 10 feet outside the cage.
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« Reply #190 on: February 06, 2009, 09:58:58 AM »

caesu - thank you for breaking down what these articles say.  Like sharon said - online translators are frustrating to say the least.

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« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2009, 10:05:39 AM »

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Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on Today at 12:48:33 PM
Spent some time thinking about the money laundering aspect.  Found a site called Ultimate Bets which blogged about a Million Dollar Poker tournament held in Aruba in the fall.  While there also found a participant had many photos on his flickr site.  One depicted the winner with bundles of cash in front of him.  (sorry, I didn't think to go find the links again before posting)

Just found this link, too.  It's not new, but found the money laundering and tax evasion explanations enlightening.

http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/1999/928.htm

It may all be an old hashed out topic, but I figured I'd put it out there.

How would searching for Natalee help Schaeffer's cause in terms of his selling of stocks,as well as bankruptcy?By searching for Natalee was it easier for him to potentially launder,and or disguise what happened to the money?Just thoughts

The Persistence, sailing as a research vessel, would have been a good
hiding place to get the $22 million or so dollars to Aruban offshore banks.


Does Jossy own a bank?






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The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family.


The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]

US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]

Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]




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« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2009, 11:25:56 AM »

Monkey Mia

When it comes to the issue of the contents of the cage/trap ... this detective wannabe does not have to research ... does not have to speculate ... does not have to theorize.  Kyle Kingman's own words implies a conspiracy ... a conspiracty that indicates that John Silvetti's self-serving interests took priority over justice for Natalee Holloway ... took priority over closure for her family.

I too have difficulty determining from the ROV images what the contents of the cage are but when I consider Kyle Kingsman's own words I am convinced that Natalee Holloway's remain could have been in that trap/cage.

I am not an expertise in the field of analyzing ROV images.  However ... Kyle Kingman's qualifications are very impressive.  I image that is the reason John Silvetti took him on in the Egypt endeavor last summer.

Also ... logic dictates that Tim Trahan, Louis Shaefer, and Kyle Kingman were not attempting to make a deal with major networks if there was "nothing" case related placed in that trap/cage.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word.

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

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Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Professional Qualifications

 
Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City Area

 
Current
Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
 
Past
Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
 
Education
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick

Industry
Oil & Energy
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Kyle Kingman’s Summary

Kyle Kingman’s Specialties:

 
Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/b/65/464
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« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2009, 11:36:45 AM »

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Remembering Natalee Holloway

Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis.

By MICHAEL FINGER
On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

--Michael Finger
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« Reply #194 on: February 06, 2009, 11:39:33 AM »

I apologize for not posting what I have accomplished so far in my research regarding what is out there that relates to Deepak and Satish's participation in regards to the happenings on the morning of May 30, 2005.  It boggles my mind that that Kalpoes believe that Phil McGraw defamed them on on his show when you consider that the "powers that be" in the investigation did an excellent job of defaming both of them prior to the exposure of the Skeeters' recorded interview.

Anyways ... I still have a few more hours work to do on this paper and ... then I will be reformatting so consistency throughout is where it is at.

Life beckons outside the computer room this morning but ... this afternoon I am on a mission.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

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« Reply #195 on: February 06, 2009, 11:41:29 AM »



TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!

What an absolute sweetheart!!!

Thanks texasmom.

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #196 on: February 06, 2009, 11:44:55 AM »

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Remembering Natalee Holloway

Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis.

By MICHAEL FINGER
On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

--Michael Finger
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« Reply #197 on: February 06, 2009, 11:51:09 AM »

Think about it.  Tim Trahan (diver) observed the contents of the cage/trap.  He dove with the Aruban divers on December 30, 2005.  Trahan may have said "NOTHING" but his connection with Kyle Kingsman (ROV image analyzer) and Louis Schaeffer (ROV image copyright) in regards to major network deals ... implies there was "SOMETHING".

Tim Trahan, Kyle Kingman and John Silvetti need to be questioned by the FBI in regards to the happenings encompassing the trap/cage.  Justice for an American citizen demands it!

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop.
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« Reply #198 on: February 06, 2009, 11:57:19 AM »

JOHN HAD A SECOND BUSINESS, GEOLAB LLC WHICH HAD GEOLAB BV (NETHERLANDS) AS A PART OF IT
 
GeoLab Group announced the appointment of Mr. C. J. Appleyard as General Manager for GeoLab LLC. Mr. Appleyard, formerly Survey Manager for Oceaneering and a Senior Consultant to BP's Deepwater Gulf of Mexico operations, will head up the Groups America's region following a reorganization in Q4, 2001. GeoLab will change the operational name from GeoLab Silvetti and Company LLC to GeoLab LLC forthwith with the corporate office in Houston, Texas and an operational base in Lafayette, Louisiana.



Kyle said: "He {John Silvetti] did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion.
June 29th Kyle flew to John Silvetti's house.


In Brazil, the preparations for the IMR contact with Petrobras, commencing in JUNE
(page 1 of 11)
http://www.deepocean.no/index.cfm?id=65087

Remember it was JUNE that those Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

31.01 DeepOcean has the intention to enter into a frame agreement for survey services with Statoil ASA in and outside of Norway. The agreement start 15th March 2007 until March 2012 + 2 x 2 years options. Workscope includes seabed mapping, pipeline inspections, trenching support, construction and pipelay support. The intention is for DeepOcean to use "Edda Fauna".
http://www.fearnleyoffshoresupply.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=128


Offshore/Louis Schafer

The Consolidated Amended Complaint seeks compensatory damages, injunctive relief, disgorgement of alleged insider trading proceeds, and other equitable relief. On March 10, 2008, the Court granted defendants’ motion to transfer the action to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.
http://tinyurl.com/a9jjwr

What may be a problem for Schaefer in particular is he sold off a lot of shares of his stock AFTER the stock market closed and made a bundle of money.
Similar to what Martha Stewart case was all about. Insider trading, they owned shares in their own company and then made money leaving the stockholders
not knowing anything and prices drop so that the stockholders are left holding stocks that are all but worthless.


 

    No Chit! I saw this last night and decided to come in today and look at ALL the companies filings, edgar or otherwise on my Bloomberg.....this POS sold 1.5mm shares at the IPO for total proceeds of $22.5mm and later another 3,025m shares 10 days later for total proceeds of over $45mm....totaled $67.5mm when essentailly they knew the shares were worthless.......POS
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Remembering Natalee Holloway
Mother of missing student carries message of personal safety to students in Memphis
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By MICHAEL FINGER

On Thursday evening, more than 300 people filled the gymnasium at Rossville Christian Academy to hear Beth Holloway talk about her daughter, Natalee, who vanished on the night of May 30, 2005, during a school outing to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The 18-year-old girl's disappearance sparked a media frenzy, and Beth Holloway began her talk by showing video clips of Barbara Walters, Geraldo Rivera, Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, and even Dr. Phil. Walters began her news segment in typically dramatic fashion, calling the case "every parent's worse nightmare: A daughter goes away on holiday and never returns."

And this is essentially what happened to Natalee Holloway. Surrounded by ads for Collierville Screen Print, the Bank of Fayette County, Wilson Furniture, and Zellner Equipment, and facing a banner painted, "Go Lady Wolves!", Holloway began her talk in the school gymnasium by bluntly stating what she believed happened to her daughter in Aruba three years ago: "Natalee was kidnapped, raped, and killed. She went there to have fun, but she ran into others who had a different agenda."

According to police investigations, Natalie was last seen in the company of three young men on the evening of May 30th. More than 100 members of her school group were supposed to return to her hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, the following morning, but the young woman didn't show up. That morning, says Holloway, "I got the call every parent would dread -- one that would change my life forever."

She and her husband immediately flew to Aruba, and a quick glance at her daughter's hotel room, showing her clothes neatly packed and her passport on the bed, told her, "It was more than just intuition. I was certain that something was terribly wrong."

One problem was that the chief suspect, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, was the son of a prominent judge on the island. According to Holloway, he told "more than a dozen" different accounts of what he did with the missing girl that evening, though insisting that he later dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

The police claimed they didn't have enough evidence to arrest the young man, or two others also seen with Natalee that evening, "so we were left to search on our own," Holloway said, by putting up "KIDNAPPED" posters with her daughter's picture, and pleading for tips and information. "It was such a paradox," she said, "to see such natural beauty [on the island] and yet experience such horror at the same time."

She and her family investigated every tip they could, including bizarre tales that Natalee had been kidnapped and sold into prostitution or was being held prisoner in one of the many island crack-houses that the police pretended didn't exist. "The hidden underbelly of the island had been exposed," she said, "and it wasn't pretty."

After four days without sleeping, eating, or even bathing, Holloway told the Rossville audience that she finally asked a cab driver to take her to a chapel.

"I had descended to the lowest place a human spirit could fall, but I knew Natalee wouldn't want me to give up," she said. "My faith in God was my only hope, and I needed to pray harder -- to get someplace where God could hear me."

She was taken to a beach on the island where someone had erected a row of crosses, and it was here, she said, "that a complete peace blanketed me. I know Natalee is with God. He wrapped his loving arms around her and helped her get through whatever ordeal she went through that night."

Holloway said she believes she knows what happened. She said that Joran van der Sloot finally confessed to killing her daughter: "He gave her a shot of rum, and that produced a seizure. He then got friends to help him dump her body in the sea. We'll never know if she was alive or not when that happened."

The case, however, is still considered unsolved because -- confession or not -- she said the Aruban police don't want to pursue it.

"There is nothing I can do to get justice for Natalee," said her mother, "because they just don't do things [in other countries] the way we do here."

So now Holloway is speaking to groups like those who gathered at Rossville Christian Academy.

"The best way to honor Natalee," she explained, "is by talking with students about personal safety. It's not a safe world -- not on Internet chat rooms, and not on island vacations. So don't get yourself into situations where you can't defend yourself."

Holloway recently founded an organization called TravelEd, to teach personal safety to students and young men and women who travel abroad. That effort has taken her to school campuses in 23 states. She offered many tips, from being aware of your surroundings to forming a "safety circle" with friends, and noted, "You can never feel too confident or too safe. My daughter let her guard down for just a moment, and in that moment she vanished."

Holloway concluded her hour-long talk with a video tribute to her daughter, then sat at a table in the gym and autographed more than 100 copies of her book, Loving Natalee. Everyone in the audience also picked up commemorative bookmarks and bracelets woven by Natalee's friends, the colored strands representing "faith, hope, and love."

"People often ask what keeps me going," Holloway said. "The human spirit can withstand a lot -- more than I ever thought possible. And I talked to Natalee and I pledged never to give up. Never."

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