Caylee Marie Anthony #104 2/07/09 - 2/10/09

[cuteascanbe]

Im having a hard time posting so if I duplicate I am sorry...O/T My dog is REALLY talking in his sleep and it's kind of freaking me out!! This whole thing with the memorial, I guess for me it's moot. The day the FBI announced they were looking for a deceased child, I knew. I felt sadness then. The remains being found were a relief but not the beginning of the sadness. I already knew she was dead. This memorial just seems so late...I read now that Cindy will be speaking. Lord, I hope someone guides her tongue!!!

[Nut44x4]

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[theboyzmom]

I read the banner from that hate group WSB whatever.,calling themselves a church is a disgrace!! These are some really sick people and for everything I think of Cindy and George, my heart will break if these whack jobs show up at the memorial.

Sad isn't it~they shouldn't even be allowed to have "church" in there name. Also, this is the same church that protest at fallen solfiers funeral..........phuckers

In the USA you can choose to worship however you wish - but I agree, these are sick people - I would not want to be the webmaster of that site when I meet God up close and personal - have a feeling He may say - "Remember YOU said I don't love all people!"

[islandmonkey]

Hello, everybody!  Way behind reading, but wanted to post a question.  Wouldn't Cindy/George legally need a restraining order or an order of protection to prevent an individual or individuals from attending a public event?  Wouldn't they have to prove to a judge that said person(s) had committed or threatened to commit a physical act of violence against them, in order to obtain such an order?  Wouldn't they have had to file a police report to document said threats, prior to obtaining that order?
Sorry to post and run, but I have some work to do.  BBL to finish reading.  Looking forward to your posts, as usual.

I don't know the answer to your question, but it seems to me that even though it is described as a 'public' event, perhaps the church property is considered private property so therefore that is why they are able to call the shots as to exactly who will be permitted to enter ? 

One, I think you hit the nail on the head...private property is the key IMO.

I am catching up from you night shifters - you were busy bees! 

I am not sure about Florida, but in Michigan, if you open your property to the public (we own a restaurant) then we must let everyone in unless they cause a problem - even then the cops will not remove them unless we have actual proof of them causing problems. We can then have the cops give them a warning and then the next time they can be removed. It is a pain in the butt and can not be done on the premise that they MIGHT cause problems. I am sure it is the same for a church. Remember that churches are only semiprivate property - they are tax free normally so they are really almost government.

This was my understanding (take it with a grain of salt becasue of my all-nighter), but churches are private property and during worship services it is open to the public, however during a funeral, memorial, wedding etc., they can use private property clause as a reason to turn away people.

Could be wrong, and awaiting another smarter monkey opinion.

this is a sticky issue - There was just a case in NJ that said that: When it invites the public at large to use it, the [Ocean Grove Camp Meeting] Association is subject to the [New Jersey] Law Against Discrimination, and enforcement of that law in this context does not affect the Association’s constitutionally protected right to free exercise of religion.

I personally think that if the church allows the As to keep people out of a public service they should instantly lose their tax exempt status. But that is just me. Personally I have no interest in going to a farce like that (but I will probably watch on TV being the sick person I am!!)   

Me too~glutton for punishment I guess.......

[sharlock]

Sharlock-I respectfully disagree.  IMO, Cindy did hurt Caylee.  For years, she warned off Casey's friends that Casey was a sociopath (a term not lightly thrown about by a mother concerning her own child-much less by a professional nurse).  For years, she and George enabled Casey's behavior by providing a roof, food, clothes, medical care for Casey & Caylee, as well as a free babysitting service.

I feel that it has been shown many times that Cindy was not in a position to be too reactionary or Casey would have left with the baby as was her right. We of ten say this about Cindy and then turn around in the same breath to say that she too mean. What was it? Was she too mean to Casey causing Casey to kill her child or was she too giving and that caused Casey to kill her child? Isn't it true that we have a genration of mothers bringing their children up in the same fashion so that the children feel that everything is their right and they don't have to work for it. IMO she probably would have kicked Casey our on her arse except for her concern for and lover of Caylee. But wait... Cindy should be condemned because she didn't have the greatest parenting skills even though she worked hard to make sure that Caylee never went without and loved her so much she felt she had to support her bloodsucking leech of a daughter too just to keep the child safe because while she knew or suspectd Casey was a sociopath anyon who has one in thye family knows it is not something easily proven and those who try are usually the ones left looking bad. Do you see why I don't understand the EXTREME hatred towards Cindy. Dislike fine, but the hate? She DID NOT hurt Caylee.
 

For years, Cindy engaged in a game of control and manipulation, with Caylee as the prize.  For two years, she used Caylee to fulfill her own emotional needs (hence her MySpace entry MY Caylee Is Missing).  Cindy & George allowed and enabled the situation to develop and escalate (doting and fawning over Caylee-per Cindy's exaltation of Caylee to almost savior status on her MySpace page).  Cindy most definitely harmed Caylee by fostering an unsafe and volatile home environment of competition between a mother and her child for Cindy's approval and favor...JMHO.  Even in the "lost" jail video, Casey was still trying to grab her attention, to get Cindy to acknowledge her.   Cindy meanwhile, brushed her aside and continued to focus on Caylee.  While I certainly do NOT support Casey and I do believe Caylee most definitely should have been the focus, I did sense that this was a familiar pattern between them.  I get the feeling that Casey, the person, ceased to exist to Cindy when Caylee was born.  I believe that Caylee became the center of Cindy's universe and Casey became an afterthought...definitely would create and fuel rivalry, jealousy, rage, and hatred in a sociopath.  JMO

NOw this imho opinion doesn't stand up to real scrutiny either. I just want people to recognise that this anger while totally understandable is not being channeled in a way that befits Caylees memory imo. Cindy is a person not a psychiatrist.. with all the faults and shortcomings of normal people. I have seen many convrsations on this forum where people generously told their own stories of living with a family member who was a sociopath and I have never seen people say to them or me that we are responsible for the way this person acts, or that we are responsible for mollycoddling these complete human waste products in order to make sure that they never do somehting as heinous as take their own childs life. Can we understand that just because a pos is also a sociopath that does not mean they will kill their children and if it did well we better get our child advocates a new mandate to sterilise the sociopathic population. Cindy thought that when she really put her foot down with Casey she would take the child to spite her and that is what she thopught had happened. Her referring to Caylee as her Caylee it did not automatically man that she only card for Caylee to fulfil her own selfish needs? One does not add up to the other and yet we all assume and judge as if we know for a fact that this was the case and it is starting to make me sad. I see a group of wonderful people like yourself who totally care for Caylee and could not bring themselves to spit on Casey if she were on fire but you insist that Cindy was to blame for not liking her daughter (if that was even the case because it is just another supposition imo). She went to work nearly every day because she had to support Caylee and her selfish biatch of a daughter could only lie steal and manipulate. I just can't understand why we can't accept that like most of us Cindy would have her flaws ad I know I myself have in the past been ghilty of shining a light on those flaws to ridicule her but I can't feel ok with myself anymore for doing thast or sitting quietly while all of America does it too when I know that Cindy loved Caylee went and worked her arse off for Caylee and has now lost this precious child forever. I don't see that Cindy needs to be further punished for God's sake she has suffered more than nearly anyone I know and if that has made her act crazy and made her deny to herself what she knew to be a fact before (that Casey was a spiteful lazy nogood sociopath) so that she can avoid the reality that her daughter took the one sweet light in her life; then I am okay with that.

I so totally agree and Cindy, George & Lee can all hold themselves responsible for KC spending life in prison because if they had told the truth KC would not have "thought" she could outsmart LE. She would have to have told something else besides the zanny story and could have plead this case down.  She could have plead accidental death, and received 15 years max. She would have been out in 7 with good time. Instead they held up her lies, and because of that she stuck with that crazy story.

I have often wondered if Cindy really wanted rid of KC too and that is why she did such insane things.

I am too sad for words today perhaps you should all ignore me but with what is happening in Victoria and the outpouring of grief and support evident amongst all Australians I see societies ability to put hatred and misunderstandings aside and to unite to assist those in need. Most of all I see us here united for little Caylee above all else and I know and I think everyone else knows that Cindy was probably the best thing in her life and she would want people to stop hating her nanny, she didn't kill her.

[cuteascanbe]

I understand freedom of religion but this wsb group is no better than the kkk...If they wanted to call themselves a religion, what then? I just find it scary. This same group has been denied access to Canada on at least two occasions that I know of, I just wish they would quit trying!!! Same thing, they wanted to come and protest at soldiers funerals.

[QuietMonkey]

Good Morning Monkeys!    
I'm reusing yesterday morning's post over again because I got no responses at all. Maybe someone here this morning can answer!

Does anyone here remember what KC's description of ZFG was, or where I might find it?
TIA 


Here's some nice hot coffee too!

     

IIRC~she told CA and GA in one of the jail vid's that she was about 4 inches shorter than GA, thin and had dark curly hair , but she straightened it.....remember she then mentions that Z gave Casey the hair straightener.

Thanks islandmonkey! Yes, I remember the jail convo about the hair straightener. How tall is GA, also how tall is KC? Just trying to get as much of the description of ZFG that KC gave. Also, we know of course no sketch was put out by LE or by JB. Really, I'm just trying to figure out is KC's description of ZFG pretty much the same description as herself? Is the height/build hair color just about the same? We know KC seemed to go out of her way to mention that hair straightener, and it always seemed an odd detail that she added. I'm really wondering if she felt she had to give such a similar description of herself (saying it was ZFG) in case someone came forward who may have actually seen KC near the area Caylee was found. So, if someone gave KC's description, it would also match the ZFG description! I do believe KC also said ZFG was 1/2 Puerto Rican & 1/2 black, so maybe because she made that claim, she realized she had to mention the hair straightener being it is unlikey ZFG (if she were real)would have naturally straight hair. I just couldn't remember what KC said about her height/ build, and I want to confirm that what I do remember, I am remembering correctly. I really am trying to get as complete a description of "ZFG" as I can.

[seemeatthebeach]

There are a lot of knowledgeable monkeys out there, and I was wondering if one of them could take a look at this and tell me who on earth is behind it? Who runs Hollywood PI, and who is funding their "investigation"? Is this just another front for Gil Cabot? Please read below.

http://www.toiletbowlmedia.com/cayleetips.html

I don't know~I read that earlier, looks like a GilTodd trademark site to me........nothing on it but speculation about Kronk

Yeah, ludicrous. Does seem like Gil/Todd.

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The big question is - Is this ANOTHER TB? or another name for Gil?

1 of the 2 tipline phone numbers listed on Hollywood PI website is 407-442-2814....set up by none other than Jose Baez.
It wouldn't be a stretch to think "Todd Black" aka Gil aka ??? might be connected to this

[QuietMonkey]

Someone giving KC a hair straightner...that really cracked me up!!! Looking at those jailhouse videos, that is the last thing she needs!! Cindy saying "uh huh, that's true"..Based on what Cindy??!!! Casey saying so?? OMG!!! That is one of the very few things about this whole mess I find funny.

I'm just reading your post and realizing I remember it differently, didn't KC lend the straightener to ZFG? I guess it doesn't really matter either way. KC just wanted to be sure she mentioned the fact that ZFG used a straightener. I know I'm not good at remembering every detail though, but just am curious if ZFG's description matches KC's or if at the least it is very very close?

[trimmonthelake]

Good Morning Monkeys!    
I'm reusing yesterday morning's post over again because I got no responses at all. Maybe someone here this morning can answer!

Does anyone here remember what KC's description of ZFG was, or where I might find it?
TIA 


Here's some nice hot coffee too!

     

Hey QM.Sorry I didn't reply sooner.I was down at the lake. 
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[QuietMonkey]

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  I am too sad for words today perhaps you should all ignore me but with what is happening in Victoria and the outpouring of grief and support evident amongst all Australians I see societies ability to put hatred and misunderstandings aside and to unite to assist those in need. Most of all I see us here united for little Caylee above all else and I know and I think everyone else knows that Cindy was probably the best thing in her life and she would want people to stop hating her nanny, she didn't kill her.

Sharlock I saw your post yesterday and wrote you a really long response. I didn't get a response from you, or any one else for that matter. I took a long time writing it, so I decided I will repost it again this morning because I don't know how many actually read it yesterday. I just wanted to explain why I feel that most feel the way they do about CA & GA too. Of course I'm only speaking for myself in this post, so maybe no one else feels this way but I'll post it again anyhow.

QM from yesterday (2/8/09)
Sharlock I understand what you are saying. I do have some empathy for C&G, as I think many do, but you can only let that empathy go so far before anger & especially frustration come into play. I don't doubt for one second the G&C loved Caylee with all their heart & they did take very good care of her for her very short life. I could see CA's heartbreak in that lost jail tape. I know they tried to get the "truth" from KC, GA tried to be "truthful" when he spoke w/LE. But it seemed everytime that they got in front of the media, they were not the same people we see "behind the scenes". It seemed, to me atleast, in front of a news camera it was all about saving KC & that Caylee was still alive and out there to be found. I am sure, atleast deep down, they knew Caylee was no longer alive, but they seemed to put that aside to save KC instead. It seemed to be more important to let the public believe Caylee were alive and that KC didn't & wouldn't harm her. They had the opportunity, IMO, to look for Caylee even in a way they didn't want to, but they threw that opportunity away and went on the alive/KC is a wonderful mom campaign. That is where I believe many's anger & frustration towards CA comes from. G&C knew there was a decomposing body in KC's trunk & they knew their granddaughter was missing for over a month, yet they refused to look for a dead child. I can understand some denial, because who wants to believe their grandchild is dead? But, that denial should not have stopped them from looking for Caylee and the most likely possibility she would not be found alive. I don't think anyone would tell the A's to not stand by KC (regardless of what she's done) or that they shouldn't still love her. But, I hope they are not going to go on a new campaign stating KC is innocent and wouldn't have done that to Caylee. We know the evidence (and probably not even all of it) & it all leads back to KC & to their home. So if they do start a new campaign, it will only further people's frustration about them. If they had tons of evidence that showed otherwise, that would be different, but we know they don't because if they did we'd have heard about it long ago. I do still have some empathy/sympathy for C&G, but as I said it only goes so far. I know they didn't ask for what happened to Caylee/them, but it's everything that has happened after all they knew that makes this so hard to have alot of sympathy. I just wish, for their sake, they could do right by Caylee. Put their differences with others aside, & surround themselves with good people who truly want to help them. I wish them all the luck in the world with their endevours. I just wish they'd do things for the right reasons, that's all.

[seemeatthebeach]

Someone giving KC a hair straightner...that really cracked me up!!! Looking at those jailhouse videos, that is the last thing she needs!! Cindy saying "uh huh, that's true"..Based on what Cindy??!!! Casey saying so?? OMG!!! That is one of the very few things about this whole mess I find funny.

I'm just reading your post and realizing I remember it differently, didn't KC lend the straightener to ZFG? I guess it doesn't really matter either way. KC just wanted to be sure she mentioned the fact that ZFG used a straightener. I know I'm not good at remembering every detail though, but just am curious if ZFG's description matches KC's or if at the least it is very very close?

IIRC KC said ZFG gave her (KC) the hair straightener........KC would have no reason to buy one as her hair is poker straight.....

Did KC mention that Zani was blind when giving her description, because she would have to be to think KC needed a hair straightener IMO

Why KC even offers up this "odd" information is yet another mystery

[mioyshi]

good morning everyone   

[seemeatthebeach]

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  I am too sad for words today perhaps you should all ignore me but with what is happening in Victoria and the outpouring of grief and support evident amongst all Australians I see societies ability to put hatred and misunderstandings aside and to unite to assist those in need. Most of all I see us here united for little Caylee above all else and I know and I think everyone else knows that Cindy was probably the best thing in her life and she would want people to stop hating her nanny, she didn't kill her.

Sharlock I saw your post yesterday and wrote you a really long response. I didn't get a response from you, or any one else for that matter. I took a long time writing it, so I decided I will repost it again this morning because I don't know how many actually read it yesterday. I just wanted to explain why I feel that most feel the way they do about CA & GA too. Of course I'm only speaking for myself in this post, so maybe no one else feels this way but I'll post it again anyhow.

QM from yesterday (2/8/09)
Sharlock I understand what you are saying. I do have some empathy for C&G, as I think many do, but you can only let that empathy go so far before anger & especially frustration come into play. I don't doubt for one second the G&C loved Caylee with all their heart & they did take very good care of her for her very short life. I could see CA's heartbreak in that lost jail tape. I know they tried to get the "truth" from KC, GA tried to be "truthful" when he spoke w/LE. But it seemed everytime that they got in front of the media, they were not the same people we see "behind the scenes". It seemed, to me atleast, in front of a news camera it was all about saving KC & that Caylee was still alive and out there to be found. I am sure, atleast deep down, they knew Caylee was no longer alive, but they seemed to put that aside to save KC instead. It seemed to be more important to let the public believe Caylee were alive and that KC didn't & wouldn't harm her. They had the opportunity, IMO, to look for Caylee even in a way they didn't want to, but they threw that opportunity away and went on the alive/KC is a wonderful mom campaign. That is where I believe many's anger & frustration towards CA comes from. G&C knew there was a decomposing body in KC's trunk & they knew their granddaughter was missing for over a month, yet they refused to look for a dead child. I can understand some denial, because who wants to believe their grandchild is dead? But, that denial should not have stopped them from looking for Caylee and the most likely possibility she would not be found alive. I don't think anyone would tell the A's to not stand by KC (regardless of what she's done) or that they shouldn't still love her. But, I hope they are not going to go on a new campaign stating KC is innocent and wouldn't have done that to Caylee. We know the evidence (and probably not even all of it) & it all leads back to KC & to their home. So if they do start a new campaign, it will only further people's frustration about them. If they had tons of evidence that showed otherwise, that would be different, but we know they don't because if they did we'd have heard about it long ago. I do still have some empathy/sympathy for C&G, but as I said it only goes so far. I know they didn't ask for what happened to Caylee/them, but it's everything that has happened after all they knew that makes this so hard to have alot of sympathy. I just wish, for their sake, they could do right by Caylee. Put their differences with others aside, & surround themselves with good people who truly want to help them. I wish them all the luck in the world with their endevours. I just wish they'd do things for the right reasons, that's all.

QM.....you pretty much summed it up.....and I agree.

[QuietMonkey]

Someone giving KC a hair straightner...that really cracked me up!!! Looking at those jailhouse videos, that is the last thing she needs!! Cindy saying "uh huh, that's true"..Based on what Cindy??!!! Casey saying so?? OMG!!! That is one of the very few things about this whole mess I find funny.

I'm just reading your post and realizing I remember it differently, didn't KC lend the straightener to ZFG? I guess it doesn't really matter either way. KC just wanted to be sure she mentioned the fact that ZFG used a straightener. I know I'm not good at remembering every detail though, but just am curious if ZFG's description matches KC's or if at the least it is very very close?

IIRC KC said ZFG gave her (KC) the hair straightener........KC would have no reason to buy one as her hair is poker straight.....

Did KC mention that Zani was blind when giving her description, because she would have to be to think KC needed a hair straightener IMO

Why KC even offers up this "odd" information is yet another mystery

Hi seeme! I think either way whether KC bought or borrowed a hair straightener, it doesn't matter. It's the fact that KC made it a point to mention. I'm going repost my post from above because I think it explains why KC may have mentioned the hair straightener.

 

QM Re-post:
Yes, I remember the jail convo about the hair straightener. How tall is GA, also how tall is KC? Just trying to get as much of the description of ZFG that KC gave. Also, we know of course no sketch was put out by LE or by JB. Really, I'm just trying to figure out is KC's description of ZFG pretty much the same description as herself? Is the height/build hair color just about the same? We know KC seemed to go out of her way to mention that hair straightener, and it always seemed an odd detail that she added. I'm really wondering if she felt she had to give such a similar description of herself (saying it was ZFG) in case someone came forward who may have actually seen KC near the area Caylee was found. So, if someone gave KC's description, it would also match the ZFG description! I do believe KC also said ZFG was 1/2 Puerto Rican & 1/2 black, so maybe because she made that claim, she realized she had to mention the hair straightener being it is unlikey ZFG (if she were real)would have naturally straight hair. I just couldn't remember what KC said about her height/ build, and I want to confirm that what I do remember, I am remembering correctly. I really am trying to get as complete a description of "ZFG" as I can.

[cuteascanbe]

Great post QM...I didn't want a long stack so I hope you know to what I am referring!! ITA..I think too, that Cindy comes off as a bully in the public and turns people off in a big way! She lashes out at everyone trying to help that doesn't agree and it leaves a trail of resentment in her wake.

[trimmonthelake]

Good Morning Monkeys. 

[seemeatthebeach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LaDizrpjs&feature=related

was it just me or was she telling him where to find Caylee.....

I always thought this was the BINGO moment..local, places familiar to us, mom has specific places that I told her about??? Could timer 55 possibly mean the time it took to drive to Caylee's final destination?

I think it was the number of days between her death and her birthday.

That fact in itself (55 days) just boggles my mind and sickens me......KC is evil

[trimmonthelake]

Caylee's Grandma Pens Eulogy; Bounty Hunter Not Welcome At Service
Public Memorial To Be Held For Slain Toddler

POSTED: Monday, February 9, 2009
UPDATED: 8:08 am EST February 9, 2009



Casey Anthony.
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The grandmother of Caylee Anthony is asking that only those with "the purest of hearts" and "truly honorable intentions" attend Tuesday's public memorial service for the slain toddler.

In a eulogy published in the Orlando Sentinel on Sunday, Cindy Anthony also said granddaughter Caylee "now has her angel wings and will be watching over so many other children."

She also wrote, "Caylee's life may have been short-lived on the earth, but her life will not have ended without a purpose. She will be sadly missed but never forgotten."

Cindy Anthony said donations have been made on Caylee's behalf to organizations that help children, such as Toys for Tots and the Make-a-Wish Foundation. She said the family will establish a foundation in Caylee's name.

Caylee was 2 years old when she disappeared last summer. Her remains were found Dec. 11.

Her mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with killing her.

The service will be held at the First Baptist Church of Orlando.

Bounty Hunter Not Welcome

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who once helped bail Casey Anthony out of jail, said Cindy Anthony has made it known that he is not welcome at the memorial service.

"She's going to be at the front door, and she said she's going to keep me out of there if I showed up. She told my nephew to specifically tell me that I was not to be present," Padilla said.

The bounty hunter said the memorial will be a "Cindy show" and not a "real" event for Caylee.

"I don't believe that any of this stuff is real. What's real is Caylee is dead, and somebody has to pay for it. I think they've got the right person in jail."

Local 6 News will air the memorial service with coverage beginning at 9 a.m.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18671180/detail.html

[QuietMonkey]

Good Morning Monkeys. 

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