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« Reply #480 on: October 20, 2006, 12:36:29 PM »

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Just wondering, since it appears that the G's are visiting or located with aruban neighbors, are they realocating or just visiting?

Has the aruba house been officially sold?

Kinda wondered if it was time to get away from any aruban/holland continuing investigations.

According to front page poster Linda, who knows the family, the Gottenbos' have moved to Georgia.

Edited to add:  Linda said they sold everything they owned and moved because the mom loves that area of Georgia.


Wonder if they are going to apply for U. S. citizenship ?
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« Reply #481 on: October 20, 2006, 12:41:54 PM »

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FYI - that message on Koen's myspace site appears to be indicating he won't be seeing Sander until December.  They could be playing with us now.


Either that or he will be home for holidays
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« Reply #482 on: October 20, 2006, 12:42:19 PM »

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fair enough Sue, it's an old photo.

do they have bradford pears or georgian architecuture in aruba?

as I recall "linda" from aruba posted the G's visited friends in this area of GA, now Grande may have uncovered that link in that it was their next door neighbors in Aruba, so it may well be the same house. We can't know that yet.

Sometimes we have to piece things together.


He looks as though he has 'cleaned up his act' dresswise compared to the latest shot of him with his "money fan" at the school....but the older photo surely looks as though it could be in Georgia.
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« Reply #483 on: October 20, 2006, 12:43:08 PM »

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Can someone help with this:

I am trying to find the date for the following OTR interview, where Ruth says Joran told the MB girls he was a 19 year old who played soccer at a school in Holland

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm


Anyone?  Does anyone even know what month this Wall of Hope interview was aired?
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« Reply #484 on: October 20, 2006, 12:44:01 PM »

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The Dutch said all along they would send one person to Aruba first to look over the dossier then report back to the Netherlands, that is what just happened according to the article in Diario.  This does not mean the Dutch team is done, simply that they are done with that first phase.  Now they will review everything in the NL and decide what to do.


You're right Klaas.

I keep reading the posts from Minnesota Dad (the REAL one, not the pitiful refugee who is using that name to post anti beth crap on the Diario site).

MD makes a lot of sense. The first thing that has to be done is for the Dutch to 'void' all the protection Paulus was able to put up around himself making him currently untouchable.

If the Dutch start voiding  -- or even independently reviewing -- the decisions made by Paulus' judge friends -- that would give me a lot of hope that something 'honest' was being done.

I guess I can always dream.
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« Reply #485 on: October 20, 2006, 12:44:40 PM »

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The photo that's on Joran's myspace site has been around for a long time.  It's in theh photos on the JoranBlog site labeled "Fight to the Finish"




We have tried to figure out who that is in the photo with Joran. Maybe Koen?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/93746523/


He almost looks like the same kid with the belt around his neck
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« Reply #486 on: October 20, 2006, 12:45:48 PM »

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I was wrong, it was zorpia and here's the link to the photo I most like  Very Happy

they don't have bradford pear trees or zoysia grass on the rock in Aruba  Laughing

http://www.zorpia.com/sander012/photo/7809236.f9a4d4


That's Georgia alright..... and doubt if that tacky gold necklace is gonna be much of a big hit there....he "ain't in Aruba anymore"  Laughing

He should have moved to New York he would fit right in with those chains Laughing .  If you look closely he has two chains on.
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« Reply #487 on: October 20, 2006, 12:58:07 PM »

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Can someone help with this:

I am trying to find the date for the following OTR interview, where Ruth says Joran told the MB girls he was a 19 year old who played soccer at a school in Holland

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm


Anyone?  Does anyone even know what month this Wall of Hope interview was aired?


This site was dated 6/7/05 & updated 6/9/05....have not found the interview you are referring to, yet:

http://www.nbc13.com/news/4579729/detail.html
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« Reply #488 on: October 20, 2006, 12:58:35 PM »

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heh, heh, then I do wonder how the G's had thought about how they would handle the publicity that was sure to follow them after they moved here.

They may not have counted on Sander posting his location on his myspace site. Wink


The "arrogance virus" will surely do the pimpolas in at some point in time...sooner rather than later, I think. The truth will always emerge.
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« Reply #489 on: October 20, 2006, 12:58:51 PM »

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Lala's, I sent you an email.  Did you get it?


Sorry it took me so long to reply...our power has been blinking today.  Tree down on a line farther up the road.  Yes, I did get the email.  I haven't had time to reply.  Thanks.
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« Reply #490 on: October 20, 2006, 01:01:12 PM »

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I was wrong, it was zorpia and here's the link to the photo I most like  Very Happy

they don't have bradford pear trees or zoysia grass on the rock in Aruba  Laughing

http://www.zorpia.com/sander012/photo/7809236.f9a4d4


That's Georgia alright..... and doubt if that tacky gold necklace is gonna be much of a big hit there....he "ain't in Aruba anymore"  Laughing

He should have moved to New York he would fit right in with those chains Laughing .  If you look closely he has two chains on.


that picture of Sanders on Street on Zorpia was uplaod 12/27/05
I have seen that picture on there a LONG time
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« Reply #491 on: October 20, 2006, 01:05:13 PM »

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Can someone help with this:

I am trying to find the date for the following OTR interview, where Ruth says Joran told the MB girls he was a 19 year old who played soccer at a school in Holland

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm


Anyone?  Does anyone even know what month this Wall of Hope interview was aired?


Shizaru -- I think it was June 22th.

I'm looking for the link for you.

This is what I have saved -- is this the one you are referring to?

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Transcripts From Greta’s Interview With Natalee’s Friends
From Fox News, “On the Record”, GRETA VAN SUSTEREN interviews Natalee’s two two of Natalee’s best friends, Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay. The transcript to the interview can be found here. Video of the interview is also available (upper right).

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?

MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?

MCVAY: He didn’t. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn’t flirting. He wasn’t really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: How is it, Ruth, that both Joran and Natalee both ended up at Carlos and Charlie’s?

MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, did you actually see Natalee leave with Joran from Carlos and Charlie’s?

MCVAY: No, I actually left an hour before the club closed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Either one of you, do you know if any of your friends saw her leave with him?

BYRD: No. If one of our good friends had seen her, we would never have let her get in the car with him, ever. Absolutely not.

VAN SUSTEREN: Frances, when you left Carlos and Charlie’s, was it just Natalee that was left behind in your group of friends, or was there a bunch of you?

BYRD: No, I don’t know how many people exactly, but there was a lot of people there at closing time, including the local people and all the other people that were in Carlos and Charlie’s that night. And when we all left, there was just a huge group of people waiting outside for taxis, and I never saw her get into that taxi.

For full transcript

June 22nd, 2005 at 07:20pm Posted by Scared Monkeys | Natalee Holloway | 786 comments
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« Reply #492 on: October 20, 2006, 01:06:42 PM »

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The photo that's on Joran's myspace site has been around for a long time.  It's in theh photos on the JoranBlog site labeled "Fight to the Finish"




We have tried to figure out who that is in the photo with Joran. Maybe Koen?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/93746523/


That looks like Sander to me, Klass.
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« Reply #493 on: October 20, 2006, 01:07:30 PM »

Wall of Hope Interview

Shizaru asks: "Anyone? Does anyone even know what month this Wall of Hope interview was aired?"

See the attached article dated Aug 2, 2005.

References Greta's visit to Birmingham, Alabama to interview Beth, etc and Natalee's friends, and also mentions the "prayer wall."

Sounds like the timing for this interview would have been late July, 2005.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164484,00.html

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #494 on: October 20, 2006, 01:11:14 PM »

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maybe we could get a hold of one of the missing posters Beth was putting up in Aruba and write ask Sander and Koen Gottenbos on the bottom of it.  Then buy a full page add in their local newspaper and run it for a week.  I'd chip in on that.


I have a copy of the poster.  I'll see what I can do.  Wink
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« Reply #495 on: October 20, 2006, 01:12:02 PM »

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I was wrong, it was zorpia and here's the link to the photo I most like  Very Happy

they don't have bradford pear trees or zoysia grass on the rock in Aruba  Laughing

http://www.zorpia.com/sander012/photo/7809236.f9a4d4


That's Georgia alright..... and doubt if that tacky gold necklace is gonna be much of a big hit there....he "ain't in Aruba anymore"  Laughing

He should have moved to New York he would fit right in with those chains Laughing .  If you look closely he has two chains on.


 Laughing I don't want to look closely Laughing  If I saw him in my neighborhood I would know trouble had arrived....he's got it written all over him.
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« Reply #496 on: October 20, 2006, 01:14:05 PM »

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Can someone help with this:

I am trying to find the date for the following OTR interview, where Ruth says Joran told the MB girls he was a 19 year old who played soccer at a school in Holland

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm


Anyone?  Does anyone even know what month this Wall of Hope interview was aired?


Shizaru -- I think it was June 22th.

I'm looking for the link for you.

This is what I have saved -- is this the one you are referring to?

**************************************
Transcripts From Greta’s Interview With Natalee’s Friends
From Fox News, “On the Record”, GRETA VAN SUSTEREN interviews Natalee’s two two of Natalee’s best friends, Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay. The transcript to the interview can be found here. Video of the interview is also available (upper right).

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you?

MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?

MCVAY: He didn’t. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn’t flirting. He wasn’t really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: How is it, Ruth, that both Joran and Natalee both ended up at Carlos and Charlie’s?

MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.

(excerpt)
VAN SUSTEREN: Ruth, did you actually see Natalee leave with Joran from Carlos and Charlie’s?

MCVAY: No, I actually left an hour before the club closed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Either one of you, do you know if any of your friends saw her leave with him?

BYRD: No. If one of our good friends had seen her, we would never have let her get in the car with him, ever. Absolutely not.

VAN SUSTEREN: Frances, when you left Carlos and Charlie’s, was it just Natalee that was left behind in your group of friends, or was there a bunch of you?

BYRD: No, I don’t know how many people exactly, but there was a lot of people there at closing time, including the local people and all the other people that were in Carlos and Charlie’s that night. And when we all left, there was just a huge group of people waiting outside for taxis, and I never saw her get into that taxi.

For full transcript

June 22nd, 2005 at 07:20pm Posted by Scared Monkeys | Natalee Holloway | 786 comments


That must be a different interview, because in the full tscript Greta says she is in Aruba, and Ruth and FEB are joining her from Alabama.  The one I'm talking about is where Greta was in AL interviewing them in person
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« Reply #497 on: October 20, 2006, 01:15:39 PM »

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Actually, our middle & high schools have very strict security measures in place.  They have a metal detector thing like what is used at the airport & court houses at each school.  Adults can't get in without a valid reason and a child of theirs in that school, or a visitor's pass.  It's unbelievable that it comes to that to protect our children.
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« Reply #498 on: October 20, 2006, 01:26:41 PM »

Sorry Shizaru Embarassed

I think Hammer gave us another timeframe.

I'll see if I have anything from back then and if I do, I'll post it.
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« Reply #499 on: October 20, 2006, 01:31:26 PM »

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Sorry Shizaru Embarassed

I think Hammer gave us another timeframe.

I'll see if I have anything from back then and if I do, I'll post it.


No, problem I appreciate the help

I'm looking in late June and early August haven't found anything yet.
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