Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[Tamikosmom]

Kyle Kingman was confused/frustrated when John Silvetti distanced himself from the contents of the cage/trap and allowed the Arubans to recover without a challenge.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:  I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - did you post the Dr. Phil response?

No ... I did not.  My DIL would rather I did not or ... at least wait a little while.  She has no idea whether there will be further communication although the short email did not imply there would be.

In actuality ... the words of the email was only a very polite response accknowledging receipt of the document.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Ockham's Razor
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity


THE PERSISTENCE UNDERTAKING - A BETRAYAL OF TRUST


PART ONE

THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PERCEPTION UNDERTAKING

The Persistence venture was two fold from the getgo.  This would not have been a problem except that Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti gave the deceptive impression that the undertaking was all about locating Natalee Holloway’s remains.  This afforded Schaefer and Silvetti the opportunity to take advantage of Tim Miller and his association with TES to raise funds.

The Persistence undertaking may have been deceptively two fold but, affording John Silvetti the benefit of the doubt, he went into this venture with the intention of being an active  participant in the recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains in the event of a discovery.  However, sometime between the discovery of the trap/cage and the December 30, 2008 dive, the Arubans became involved.  It was during this period that John Silvetti may have been offered an incentive to turn a blind eye in regard to the sampling of the contents and the recovery process.  In other words, there would be no chain of command as the Arubans would be in complete control and the crew of the Persistence would not participate..

Logic dictates that contracts or incentives received by John Silvetti by Aruba following the Persistence undertaking must be investigated by the FBI.  Justice for an American citizen demands it.
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Jug Twitty
He is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped .... while they were looking ... the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever. They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details. Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.

Kyle Kingman
John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle Kingman
John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle Kingman
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle Kingman
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap.

Kyle Kingman
John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle Kingman
He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


PART TWO

AN ADVOCATE FOR JUSTICE

The dedication of Jossy Mansur, in his quest to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway, was revealed almost immediately following the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen on the Island of Aruba.  This quest was furthered through editorials in the Diarrio publication as well as Jossy’s guest appearances on the American talk show ciruct.
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Jossy Mansur
People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

Beth Holloway
Well you know, I‘ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he‘s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he‘s my only hope on the island. And we‘ll be forever grateful to him.

Dave Holloway
Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they're attacking him because he's looking for-- fighting for-- the truth. That’s what a good journalist does--He's going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth

Steve Holloway
 I think he is a good man looking for the truth. He will not let them push him around. This is his home and is probably sick of the corruption that happens every day on such a large scale on such a small island.

Jug Twitty
Thank you Jossy.  I don’t know how you do it but you have been there for us from the beginning and the people of Aruba should be proud of you.


PART THREE

SPY ON BOARD?

When it is considered that the legal happenings encompassing the Mansur family which  coincided with the Persistence undertaking, could Jossy have negotiated an incentive with the Aruban “powers that be” which would imply a betrayal of trust in how it relates to Natalee Holloway and her family?  Could Jossy have negotiated an incentive  with the Aruban “powers that be” that would involve the participation of his own son, Eduardo?

What was the actual purpose of Eduardo Mansur's continuing presence on board the Persistence?  Could the “powers that be” have taken advantage of the trusted relationship that existed between Jossy Mansur and the family of Natalee Holloway?   Could the “powers that be” had assumed the motives of Eduard Mansur would not be questioned  or undermine?

One member of the crew, who held a professional position on board the Persistence, had his suspicions.
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Kyle Kingman
We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Jossy Mansur
No, my son was not on the dive team, but he was on board the ship every day. What he told me is that the cage is of an industrial type and not similar to the one that went missing the same morning Natalee disappeared. The ship did map a vast area and was able to pinpoint close to 100 items of interest on the bottom of the ocean along the coast. Just when they were about to examine them, they ran out of money because it is an expensive venture.

Kyle Kingman
Specialties:  Project Management, Sonar Acquisition, hydrographic survey, data processing, remote sensing data analysis.

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Quote sources are available upon request.

A REMINDER

GOOD NIGHT MONKEYS!  GOOD NIGHT ZOOKEEPERS!

Janet
8:10 PM PT

                                      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
                 GOD BLESS DAVE,BETH,JUG,ROBIN,AS WELL AS THE MONKEY'S
                                         GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS
                                                 KEEPTHEFAITH



P.S. John Silvetti,Tim Trahan,Louis Schaefer Jr,as well as Kyle Kingman should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.Especially you KYLE.Name your daughter after Natalee Holloway.If you haven't done Natalee's memory justice by now you will be reminded every day,every hour,every minute,and every second of what your Justice was for Natalee Holloway.Your daughter will remind you everyday how you let Natalee Holloway down..Shame on You!!!!!




       

[texasmom]

Goodnight Janet and KTF!   

[wreck]

Been away tool long!!   

[texasmom]

Been away tool long!!   

You didn't get lost over in musings again did ya?   

[Lifesong]

Is this the connection?


aruba decided 2-12
letter dated 2-22-08

Juan Manuel Truilloc/ serrano, spainmaritime and transport business solutions, bv 

rotterdam royal haskoning

Maritime & Transport Business Solutions B.V.
Wijnhaven 3E
3011 WG ROTTERDAM
The Netherlands http://www.mtbs.nl/contact

experience2008-2009 Netherlands Antilles Transaction Advisor Barcadera Port
http://www.mtbs.nl/projectslist

Transaction Advisor Barcadera Port
Netherlands Antilles 2008-2009

mtbs was hired as a transaction advisor by the Ministry of Tourism and Transportation of Aruba to assist the Aruba government by implementing 4 port related investments. The investments concerned a cruise and container terminal, real estate and a free zone. Legal and PPP advise was provided and several strategic scenario's were developed of which the financial feasibility was assessed.
In the second phase mtbs is responsible for implementing the transaction through a competitive tender process.

http://www.mtbs.nl/assignment/transaction_advisor_barcadera_port

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2007-2007 United Arab Emirates
Industrial Port of Abu Dhabi Feasibility Study
http://www.mtbs.nl/projectslist?page=1 

In January 2004, Dolphin Energy announced the award of its initial Dolphin Project contracts – for construction of the Ras Laffan processing plant, supply of its compression units and construction of two offshore production platforms respectively. In April, EPC awards were made for the twin sealines in Qatari waters, and for the construction of the Export Pipeline itself, and in November the EPC award was made for construction of the Taweelah gas receiving facilities in Abu Dhabi
http://www.dolphinenergy.com/Public/media-center/20050302.htm

July 2006
Dolphin  Project - geolab

GeoLab srl (Pozzuoli, Italy) recently established a permanent base in the Middle East. A new commercial and operational office, currently being used to support the Dolphin Project, has been established in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Hmirates.

According to CieoLab, the company's short-term business development plan includes the set-up of a Middle East branch in Bahrain and a logistic base with data processing and workshop facilities in Abu Dhabi
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5367/is_200607/ai_n21395954

press releases
29 Feb 2008
Geolab Srl has been operating in the region since May 2005 and in July 2007 completed the undertaking Survey and ROV Support Services on behalf of the various EPIC Contractors involved in the Dolphin Project utilising our in-house vessels DP Reel and Sentinel and also third party vessel Gulmar Eagle.

In 2006 Geolab Srl provided survey positioning in support of Modern Computer Services during the undertaking of the ADMA OPCO ROV digital video acquisition, survey inspection of subsea pipelines with a total of 720 km being inspected.

Geolab have realised the region as an important market and to show our future commitment to the region, also offer clients an alternative choice of Survey and ROV contractor are in the final stages of registration of a Middle East Branch this will be .located in Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates.

Geolab Srl shall be assigning to the region our in-house dedicated DP Class 1 ROV survey support and light construction vessel the DP Geo which was formally the RSV Salgueiro recently acquired from Subsea 7 and is currently undergoing refurbishment in Europe the vessel shall be available in early April 2008.

The Middle-East Branch has recently secured a 180 days contract for Geophysical Surveys Mapping Pipelines and Jackets in Middle East Region and is discussing with several major local contractors long-term agreements for provision of Survey and Positioning Services.
http://www.oceanologyinternational.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID=104

GeoLab track-record comprises a large number of the most prestigious and technical demanding projects including, but not limited to, the following:

 

PIPELINES & PLATFORMS

Shallow Water

Adriatic Installation Campaign 2008
Bahr Essalam Project
Sabratha Platform Project
DIDON Field Project
Temsah Project
TMPC
Taurt Platform Project
Taurt Pipeline Project
El-Arish to Ashqelon
Rosetta PIM Project
AWA Paloukou & Ikalou
Mafumeira
Mimas & Thetys Development
Shearwater & Galleon Projects
Dolphin Project
ADMA-OPCO 2006 Pipeline Inspection Campaign

DEEP WATER

AQABA Project
LGTS Greenstream Project
Dalia Project
Burullus Phase IV

CABLES

Sirius, Solas & Esat Projects
Italy-Greece FOL & HDVC Interconnector
SACOI Project
Bass-Link Project
SAPEI Project
Neptune Project
Dolphin Umbilicals Project

OTHER MARKETS

SINPOS Project
TECSIS Project
ARCHEOMAR Project
IMDH Namibia and Angola Mining Surveys

http://www.geolab.it/geolab_eng/geoLay_progetti.html



September 26, 2005

Juan Manuel Trujillo has joined the New York office of Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP as a partner in the Finance & Bankruptcy practice group. Trujillo, most recently with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher in New York, specializes in international, cross-border and corporate transactions and foreign investment.

James J. McGuire, managing partner of the firm's New York office, said, "We are delighted to have Juan join the firm. He will strengthen our finance practice firmwide and extend the firm's Hispanic/Latino Business group to a national platform
http://www.sheppardmullin.com/press-releases-139.html

BUMPED

[Lifesong]

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is the connection prior to November 2007 between Silvetti and Shaefer


JOHN SILVETTI

THE SILVETTI GROUP OF COMPANIES

Silvetti Marine Services LLCA.
Vessels Operation Company
1. RV Persistence
2. J. David
http://silvettigroup.com/sms.html

Marine Surveys LLC
http://silvettigroup.com/ms.html

Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC
A. Created in 2002
http://silvettigroup.com/aps.html

Map of Alternative Positioning Sltns,
401 Mecca St Ste B .. 401 Mecca St Ste B
Lafayette, LA 70508

lafayette.citysearch.com/profile/map/ 42105741/lafayette_la/alternative_positioning_sltns.html


LUIS SHAEFER

SUPERIOR DIVING

 Resume ID: 101037
Location: USA MD Saint Leonard

2006 June-August contracted with Alternative Positioning Solutions, APS/ Superior Diving on DSV Endevor Ship Shoal, Gulf of Mexico. Provided Positioning services in support of dive operation. Utilized Winfrog navigation software. Operated MS1000 Sonar and Gadiometer magnometer
http://www.marinetechnologyjobs.com/mt/mtJob.aspx?ShowResume=101037   

Lafayette-based Superior Offshore International Inc., an oilfield-services company, raised $152.2 million in an initial public offering on Thursday. The company sold 10.62 million shares at $15 each. And today the stock has picked up even more, rising $2.45 to $17.45 per share in early trading.

Superior Offshore was created in 1985 and was briefly know as Superior Diving. The company also provides onshore fabrication and subsea construction. The company will be moving into deepwater work later this year
http://blog.nola.com/tpmoney/2007/04/superior_offshore_raises_152_m.html

Year Started:1986
State of Incorporation:N/A
Company Website:www.superioroffshore.com
Location Type:HeadquartersTicker Symbol:DEEPQ
Stock Exchange:OTC
Also Does Business As:Superior Diving Company
NAICS:N/A
SIC #Code:
Est. Annual Sales:
Est. Employees:550Est. Employees at Location:40
Contact Name:Louis E Schaefer Jr Chairman Of The Board
http://www.manta.com/company/mmntnky

BUMPED

Great work Jen3560, TexasMom, KeeptheFaith and everyone! 

I'll be getting back to work on that Schaefer/Silvetti timeline I'd started.   

(Although, I have to admit, between Magnolia's lickety-split knit-apparel creations and Tamikosmom's thorough research documents (also created lickety-split), I would caution anyone with such high expectations to consider me more an adherent of the tortoise strategy...if you know what I mean.)

[texasmom]

I guess I'm tired, I can't seem to get the size right on this or grab the text; but this is interesting also.

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf

[Lifesong]

I guess I'm tired, I can't seem to get the size right on this or grab the text; but this is interesting also.

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf

Wow, TM!  That's a fascinating letter right there.

What the right hand giveth, the left hand taketh away perhaps?

Just...wow.  I can't wait to see how this all lines up.

[texasmom]

I guess I'm tired, I can't seem to get the size right on this or grab the text; but this is interesting also.

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf

Wow, TM!  That's a fascinating letter right there.

What the right hand giveth, the left hand taketh away perhaps?

Just...wow.  I can't wait to see how this all lines up.

Yes, I think it will be very interesting to see what happens.  I took screen shots of the letter, but my photobucket is tied up uploading some video right now.  If no one else posts the letter, I'll post it tomorrow. 

[texasmom]

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!

Goodnight everyone!   

[texasmom]

http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/42Letter%20to%20Fresnos-Trusam-TCB%20Jan%202009.pdf

[texasmom]

Good morning Monkeys!   

Have a great day!   

[Anna]

Good Morning, All Monkeys!

Thanks, TxMom.  That is yet another strange letter I do not really understand.  It seems to be saying that although the government of Aruba holds all the shares for the bond to relocate the harbor, the same will have no input to this being done or not or how or who does it?

Strange.

JMO


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[jen3560]

Good Morning Monkeys!

What I took that letter to mean - although the govt has entered into an agreement with the Company, the government doesn't have the final say so - as "the Government".


The Aruba Port Authority has to give the Company the "ok" to do this - and the APA is owned/controlled (via shares) by the government.

Just another circle jerk, in my mind.  The "government" cannot give the ok, but the Government, signed as "Aruba Port Authority" can. 

Of course - that's just my interpretation, and it may be wholly incorrect. 

[jen3560]

This is from an article txmom posted here on Friday.

Does this really read that Richardson is in charge of the recherche - the body that is conducting the investigation of the early days after Natalee disappeared?

Or does this say that richardson is being investigated by the recherche? 


although have to tell if, cu esnan cu owing to come is work for several year end cu comisario dolfi richardson, the.o. cuerpo of recherche, team of aresto y others do not mucho contento the cambio here. more still, after of owing to crea one relacion y uno good among comisario richardson y the team investigativo, now have to go back establece one relacion new. but have one disgust big, till cu have some of the recherchenan owing to let know, if not can work cu comisario hassell, they will ask traslado or will busca another trabao abroad of police. work because; police, do not agreeable more. all the time awemainta owing to achieve informacion also, cu sindicato of police do not nothing contento niether y another week, will bay happen keep for keep of police, for hear the disgustonan of cada districto

[nonesuche]

Janet, congrats to you and hubby for winning the dating game. It's a testament to your long and happy marriage and you should be very proud ! I hope your dinner out is divine!

Klaas, do you recall a few years back when Oduber met with China and possible oil drilling was part of that agenda? I remember we laughed at the time about rigs in the lovely Aruba water vista.........but all of this mapping effort surely makes me wonder what might be afoot to salvage the Aruban economy? Or not.......I might not recall that history correctly. I didn't save anything on it either.

[klaasend]

Janet, congrats to you and hubby for winning the dating game. It's a testament to your long and happy marriage and you should be very proud ! I hope your dinner out is divine!

Klaas, do you recall a few years back when Oduber met with China and possible oil drilling was part of that agenda? I remember we laughed at the time about rigs in the lovely Aruba water vista.........but all of this mapping effort surely makes me wonder what might be afoot to salvage the Aruban economy? Or not.......I might not recall that history correctly. I didn't save anything on it either.

Yes I do and I remember seeing a photo of Oduber at the conference.  I'll see if I can find it again.

[klaasend]

Guess brass knuckles are an "IN" accessory in Aruba:



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