Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[Keepthefaith]

BillB left.Good for him.Maybe he thought he was gonna have a a relapse and start stackin with all the stackaholics tonight.We're here Billb....

I left? where did I go? 
Bubba.....

Oh No.Janet's getting ready to do some serious hinky-stackin....
I looked in the rafters and thought you dissappeared.Hey.You start a couple of stacks and see if these Monkey's will join...Maybe a lil' peer pressure for some stackin tonight!

Like this? 

I thought I was starting??

[Keepthefaith]

BillB left.Good for him.Maybe he thought he was gonna have a a relapse and start stackin with all the stackaholics tonight.We're here Billb....

I left? where did I go? 
Bubba.....

I looked in the rafters and thought you dissappeared.Hey.You start a couple of stacks and see if these Monkey's will join...Maybe a lil' peer pressure for some stackin tonight!

Like this? 

I thought I was starting??

Oh No.Janet's getting ready to do some serious hinky-stackin....

[wreck]

Magnolia's computer trouble is a reminder to all of us to back-up your wanted pics, etc. periodically! Preferably to an outside medium such as a disc or jump drive!

We would all be lost if Janet's crashed without backup.  Perish the thought!

We can always ask Dr. Phil to return her e-mails!!! 

[Tamikosmom]

So this is what happens when Tamikosmom leaves for the night.

PARTYTIME!!!

 

Back on topic this minute ... all of you!

 

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Magnolia's computer trouble is a reminder to all of us to back-up your wanted pics, etc. periodically! Preferably to an outside medium such as a disc or jump drive!

We would all be lost if Janet's crashed without backup.  Perish the thought!

We can always ask Dr. Phil to return her e-mails!!! 

What's Janet gonna do when they call her to the stand with Deepak,as well as Satish sitting there.Chain-of-command.Prosecutor will have to call her!Just sayin Janet....

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

[Keepthefaith]

What's going on?Who told everybody about the party?

[hotping]

So this is what happens when Tamikosmom leaves for the night.

PARTYTIME!!!

 

Back on topic this minute ... all of you!

 

Janet

 

[texasmom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

And I agree with you billb.  

PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!!!!

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

[hotping]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

And I agree with you billb.  

PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!!!!

And I Agree with You TM and Billb! 

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

For goodness sakes.Who got Joran hooked on online poker?

[wreck]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

[Magnolia]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I think Paulus was doing contracts for the Aruban gov't when Posner took over the Casino.

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

And I agree with you billb.  

PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!!!!

And I Agree with You TM and Billb! 

Another thing to ponder....
posner solicited the services of the pimps for high rollers in his casino....explains the ease of urine wrt casino/betting money...hiring tacopenis to deflect involvement of all others by defending urine (keeping the focus on urine).    posner involvement has never been thoroughly vetted imho

[2NJSons_Mom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

    Double down.

[wreck]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

And I agree with you billb.  

PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!!!!

And I Agree with You TM and Billb! 

Another thing to ponder....
posner solicited the services of the pimps for high rollers in his casino....explains the ease of urine wrt casino/betting money...hiring tacopenis to deflect involvement of all others by defending urine (keeping the focus on urine).    posner involvement has never been thoroughly vetted imho

I agree, billb.  (stack 'em up)