Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[wreck]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

Quit being a loser and stack like tha rest of us stackaholics..

Me too.....but I'm better now...I iced my finger....
What did I say???

"Coldfinger" ....... .. wasn't that a Bond movie?

[Lifesong]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

             

             

                
                      

[2NJSons_Mom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Refresh my memory on the slide show...or should I not ask that? 

[texasmom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Only one of several I would imagine!  

[billb's daughter]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

Quit being a loser and stack like tha rest of us stackaholics..

Me too.....but I'm better now...I iced my finger....
What did I say???

"Coldfinger" ....... .. wasn't that a Bond movie?

If you have a lisp....
probably not PC...my apologies in advance if I offended anyone..

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Only one of several I would imagine!  

Feel sorry for whoever didn't come to the party and gotta read about it tomorrow..BillB actually has FINGERS.Why didn't someone tell me.Next time i'll send gloves instead of mit's for christmas!

[Magnolia]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Refresh my memory on the slide show...or should I not ask that? 

Remember the slide show on Musings that Klaas posted.  Showed all the post from CnG
Truthseeker2 had a thousand post of copy and paste.

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Only one of several I would imagine!  

Feel sorry for whoever didn't come to the party and gotta read about it tomorrow..BillB actually has FINGERS.Why didn't someone tell me.Next time i'll send gloves instead of mit's for christmas!

Correction...Finger (singular)....you know how hard it is pick BOTH nostrils???

[caesu]

TIN OTRO FORZA AKI TRAS
Según oranan ta pasa, nos di AWEMainta ta haya cu tin otro interes tras di tur e accionnan aki. Sigur despues cu SPA tabata den un “winterslaap” pa de pronto sali masha brabo. Hasta ta ser bisa, cu tin algun funcionario influyente tras di e accion aki, pa e.o. core cu Alto Comisario Peter de Witte, kende tambe awe ta ser acusa di e.o. lo ta suministra informacion na VNO.
Anto como tal e tin cu bay, mescos loke a pasa cu Fiscal Mayor mr. Hans Mos. Siendo tabata algun luna atrás, e contracto di Peter de Witte a keda prolonga cu 4 aña mas, anto dicon awor SPA kier su cabez? Tempo lo bisa kico ta kico tras di tur e weganan aki, esta si esaki t’e caso.

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=318

no idea, what it means - but i like Peter de Witte, Hans Mos and VNO mentioned together.

Amigoe will have more on this tomorrow and maybe even the Dutch media starts picking up on the problems at the KPA.

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Only one of several I would imagine!  

Feel sorry for whoever didn't come to the party and gotta read about it tomorrow..BillB actually has FINGERS.Why didn't someone tell me.Next time i'll send gloves instead of mit's for christmas!

Correction...Finger (singular)....you know how hard it is pick BOTH nostrils???

I always thought you were tickling your brain.Not picking your nostrils!

[billb's daughter]

Going against everything I stack for, ....
Has there been any joran sitings lately?

[2NJSons_Mom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Refresh my memory on the slide show...or should I not ask that? 

Remember the slide show on Musings that Klaas posted.  Showed all the post from CnG
Truthseeker2 had a thousand post of copy and paste.

Of course, I remember.  Geez....I thought I was losing it.  Thank you, Magnolia. 

KTF...I am not a loser, for the record.  And stacking it, doesn't keep me on line.  I just got locked out again. 

[hotping]

TIN OTRO FORZA AKI TRAS
Según oranan ta pasa, nos di AWEMainta ta haya cu tin otro interes tras di tur e accionnan aki. Sigur despues cu SPA tabata den un “winterslaap” pa de pronto sali masha brabo. Hasta ta ser bisa, cu tin algun funcionario influyente tras di e accion aki, pa e.o. core cu Alto Comisario Peter de Witte, kende tambe awe ta ser acusa di e.o. lo ta suministra informacion na VNO.
Anto como tal e tin cu bay, mescos loke a pasa cu Fiscal Mayor mr. Hans Mos. Siendo tabata algun luna atrás, e contracto di Peter de Witte a keda prolonga cu 4 aña mas, anto dicon awor SPA kier su cabez? Tempo lo bisa kico ta kico tras di tur e weganan aki, esta si esaki t’e caso.

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=318

no idea, what it means - but i like Peter de Witte, Hans Mos and VNO mentioned together.

Amigoe will have more on this tomorrow and maybe even the Dutch media starts picking up on the problems at the KPA.

Thanks Caesu!

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Only one of several I would imagine!  

Feel sorry for whoever didn't come to the party and gotta read about it tomorrow..BillB actually has FINGERS.Why didn't someone tell me.Next time i'll send gloves instead of mit's for christmas!

Correction...Finger (singular)....you know how hard it is pick BOTH nostrils???

I always thought you were tickling your brain.Not picking your nostrils!

Never thought of that....it IS a BIG finger though...talk about overkill!

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Refresh my memory on the slide show...or should I not ask that? 

Remember the slide show on Musings that Klaas posted.  Showed all the post from CnG
Truthseeker2 had a thousand post of copy and paste.

Of course, I remember.  Geez....I thought I was losing it.  Thank you, Magnolia. 

KTF...I am not a loser, for the record.  And stacking it, doesn't keep me on line.  I just got locked out again. 

Yes i know! I got kicked out for a second but got back in on a qiuck refresh!I thought i was a loser for a minute!

[billb's daughter]

Going against everything I stack for, ....
Has there been any joran sightings lately?

[2NJSons_Mom]

TIN OTRO FORZA AKI TRAS
Según oranan ta pasa, nos di AWEMainta ta haya cu tin otro interes tras di tur e accionnan aki. Sigur despues cu SPA tabata den un “winterslaap” pa de pronto sali masha brabo. Hasta ta ser bisa, cu tin algun funcionario influyente tras di e accion aki, pa e.o. core cu Alto Comisario Peter de Witte, kende tambe awe ta ser acusa di e.o. lo ta suministra informacion na VNO.
Anto como tal e tin cu bay, mescos loke a pasa cu Fiscal Mayor mr. Hans Mos. Siendo tabata algun luna atrás, e contracto di Peter de Witte a keda prolonga cu 4 aña mas, anto dicon awor SPA kier su cabez? Tempo lo bisa kico ta kico tras di tur e weganan aki, esta si esaki t’e caso.

http://awemainta.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=318

no idea, what it means - but i like Peter de Witte, Hans Mos and VNO mentioned together.

Amigoe will have more on this tomorrow and maybe even the Dutch media starts picking up on the problems at the KPA.

Thanks Caesu!

Yes, thanks, caesu.  Maybe tomorrow it might be more clear. 

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

Refresh my memory on the slide show...or should I not ask that? 

Remember the slide show on Musings that Klaas posted.  Showed all the post from CnG
Truthseeker2 had a thousand post of copy and paste.

Of course, I remember.  Geez....I thought I was losing it.  Thank you, Magnolia. 

KTF...I am not a loser, for the record.  And stacking it, doesn't keep me on line.  I just got locked out again. 

Yes i know! I got kicked out for a second but got back in on a qiuck refresh!I thought i was a loser for a minute!

Gotta shut down the store and head home.Will be back on in a minute to shut the thread down.Hope it doesn't happen without me!

[Keepthefaith]

Going against everything I stack for, ....
Has there been any joran sightings lately?

I believe someone posted something about video's in Thailand but i can't verify if the video's were authentic!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Going against everything I stack for, ....
Has there been any joran sightings lately?

Klaas posted pics earlier today.  Not sure I'll find them real quick but I can give it a shot.