Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[Tamikosmom]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

[wreck]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

[hotping]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYL_u3U4No

  BB What's the point? 

[wreck]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

Still trying to decide just who all was in on this "plan".

[hotping]

I cannot believe Greta just did an 180 degree about face and completely abandoned the Joran angle she was on. I can't help but believe something bigger is brewing -- it is just too quiet!

I Agree Wreck.... somethings up....I just wish We knew what it is.... But as Kermit Said "At the Right time".... 

Hopefully something will start to shake loose soon.

 

Shake it up, baby.

Yeah!   

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_59n86U3Dvs&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/_59n86U3Dvs&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

  Whew...That sure brought back memories....

[texasmom]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

It ALL just makes me sick!   

and MAD!!!!!!

[Lifesong]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

[texasmom]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

Still trying to decide just who all was in on this "plan".

Me too wreck.   

[Keepthefaith]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

Who would Silvetti have trusted with such an undertaking.Either ALE,Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,Burke?Who would he have trusted on the Persistence?

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYL_u3U4No

Bleachedblack

When you consider that fishermen were able to claim that they observed from their boats on the water that nobody matching Joran and Natalee's discription were on the beach on the morning of May 30, 2005.  The implication is if there had been somebody matching Joran and Natalee's descript were on the beach ... they would have saw them.  Also ... the fisherman claim that they saw a white vehicle parked at the beach.

Janet

++++++

PAULA ZAHN NOW
Idaho Girl Rescued; The Search For Natalee Holloway
Aired July 5, 2005 - 20:00   ET

DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Defense attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers tonight confirmed to CNN that testimony from fishermen telling investigators that they didn't see a couple matching the description of Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot on that beach the night that Natalee turned up missing. What they are saying is that they saw a white Suzuki on that beach …

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/pzn.01.html

[Keepthefaith]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

Who would Silvetti have trusted with such an undertaking.Either ALE,Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,Burke?Who would he have trusted on the Persistence?

Eduardo,Eduardo,Eduardo.I ponder quite often what his role or motivation is for being involved in everything from beginning to end??

[Tamikosmom]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

It ALL just makes me sick!   

and MAD!!!!!!

It makes Tamikosmom angry too!



Klaas ... would you please add texasmom's "Mad" Monkey to our choice of icon expressions.  Tamikosmom become very angry at deception.  She HATES it.

Thanks

Janet

[wreck]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

Who would Silvetti have trusted with such an undertaking.Either ALE,Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,Burke?Who would he have trusted on the Persistence?

The same guys who told the Persistence exactly where they would find the trap in ocean.

[texasmom]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

It ALL just makes me sick!   

and MAD!!!!!!

It makes Tamikosmom angry too!



Klaas ... would you please add texasmom's "Mad" Monkey to our choice of icon expressions.  Tamikosmom become very angry at deception.  She HATES it.

Thanks

Janet

I can't take credit for the "mad monkey", IIRC...San brought it and a few others over she found somewhere...

This was another one...



 

[wreck]

  

[Lifesong]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

Who would Silvetti have trusted with such an undertaking.Either ALE,Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,Burke?Who would he have trusted on the Persistence?

The same guys who told the Persistence exactly where they would find the trap in ocean.

Excellent.  But, why? 

As it relates to the crimes against Natalee, who is protected by remains being in the pond and not in the cage.  Who is incriminated?

And why the change of heart in allowing any of her to found?

I'm still not getting it, and it's frustrating.

[Keepthefaith]

Caps' whole "she was cut into pieces" was an attempt to explain why only SOME of her would be found in the pond!

If "some" of Natalee Holloway remains were found in the the pond ... what would the point be of Aruban authorities withholding that information from the family of Natalee Holloway.  I believe if Beth Holloway was aware that "some" of Natalee's remains were located in the pond ... she would not have given the Natalee's Freebirds permission to expose Kyle Kingman's words in regard to the deception of John Silvetti.

Think about it.  My youngest son's Dutch American FIL searched the Aruban and Dutch publication.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not ever Diario ... that reported on the pond search ... the pond search that took place at night under all those light.  He found no Aruban or Dutch publication ... not even Diario ... that reported that fifty investigators had arrived from Holland.  The only sources which I am aware of that the pond search took place and the fifty investigators arrived from Holland was CAPS and Kyle Kingman.  Hans Mo did not even mention a pond search in his last "press announcement".  He mentions all the other aspect of the investigation ... the Devries/Emm recording ... the pond witness ...the Greta interview with Joran ...

I contend that a pond search never took place.  It was all a diversion to distract from the recovery process of the contents of the cage/trap ... the recovery process where John Silvetti ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... afforded control to the enemy who has prevented justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet
 

I'm not saying it did. I think that it WAS the plan at one time though.

I have to say, I agree.  Remember, the leak that Kyle was trying to track down was the leak about the POND.

That story got out (thanks to Caps?) and Silvetti was not happy about it. 

Hmmm.

Who would Silvetti have trusted with such an undertaking.Either ALE,Mos,Richardson,Comemencia,Burke?Who would he have trusted on the Persistence?

The same guys who told the Persistence exactly where they would find the trap in ocean.

Who initially led them to where the Cage was?Who did they get there information from?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Shake it up, baby.

Goodnight.  I'll see you sometime later.

[Keepthefaith]

Shake it up, baby.

Goodnight.  I'll see you sometime later.

Goodnight 2nj..

[Lifesong]

Shake it up, baby.

Goodnight.  I'll see you sometime later.

Goodnight 2NJ!  God Bless.