Natalee Case Discussion #800 2/11 - 2/18/09

[texasmom]

texasmom:

I don't know Janet, I don't think there is any hope for Joran or Deepak; I always thought Satish might crack though.  He just didn't seem to be as hardened in evil as the others.  JMO

I used to think that too. I guess 4 long hard years of 12th grade really hardened him!!




(I'm a stack buster!!!) 

 

I know what you mean wreck...guess that was it; or maybe the promises of millions from Dr. Phil.  

[texasmom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

 

I hope this post made it, the suction was very intense!   

[billb's daughter]

KTF,

20 posts per page.  fyi

I'm typing as fast as my one finger will allow...please don't ask....(about the one finger)....

[Magnolia]

texasmom:

I don't know Janet, I don't think there is any hope for Joran or Deepak; I always thought Satish might crack though.  He just didn't seem to be as hardened in evil as the others.  JMO

I used to think that too. I guess 4 long hard years of 12th grade really hardened him!!




(I'm a stack buster!!!) 

 

I know what you mean wreck...guess that was it; or maybe the promises of millions from Dr. Phil.  

But they have to give Joran one million.....so says Joran.

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

[2NJSons_Mom]

KTF,

20 posts per page.  fyi

I'm typing as fast as my one finger will allow...please don't ask....(about the one finger)....

   No worries...won't ask....       

[billb's daughter]

KTF,

20 posts per page.  fyi

I'm typing as fast as my one finger will allow...please don't ask....(about the one finger)....

   No worries...won't ask....       

What's wrong with my one finger? Everyone else asks....

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

[2NJSons_Mom]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

[Magnolia]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

I did too!!!

[texasmom]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

[Keepthefaith]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

Quit being a loser and stack like tha rest of us stackaholics..

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

KTF wanted to get through this tread....I'm doing my part...

[texasmom]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

I did too!!!

Me too!  

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

Think they've all given up.

[billb's daughter]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

Quit being a loser and stack like tha rest of us stackaholics..

Me too.....but I'm better now...I iced my finger....
What did I say???

[Magnolia]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

[texasmom]

Whoa, I just got locked out after billb's last post.     

Quit being a loser and stack like tha rest of us stackaholics..

Me too.....but I'm better now...I iced my finger....
What did I say???

 

[billb's daughter]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

Think they've all given up.

Wimps...all of them...(in red, above)...

[Keepthefaith]

I maintain that Joran had consistently represented himself to the MB group as a visitor to Aruba, also staying at the Holiday Inn.  If she went willingly, she thought she was going to her hotel.  If her friends let her go, they also thought she was going back to their hotel.

JMO and only MO.

THE REVELATION - JORAN IS NOT A TOURIST

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

To be clear, I also maintain that Paulus is the man on the casino video sitting next to and attempting conversation with Natalee - with her friends and Joran also at the table. 

This means I absolutely believe that Paulus both knew of Joran's deception in claiming to be a tourist staying there at the hotel, and was complicit in it.

I maintain that is how premeditation is determined.

 

I've always believed urine and the pimps were procuring young tourists for elders and they played that game 20 times before and nothing bad happened (to the pimps). I'd bet it wasn't the first time urine told a young tourist and her group that he was a student visiting aruba and that he stayed at the same hotel they were staying at. Just think of how many aruba hotel, casino, pimps had to have been involved to "cover urine's lies" and this was a scam played over and over, finely tuned by the playmakers. The photo of paulass in the casino sitting near Natalee says volumes of guilty (goes to premeditation) to me.  Remember rumors of michael posner being livid when that video was released? Guido leaves shortly after if I recall correctly. And d kalpoe saying in the polis car.."your own father".
I'm a believer of Minnesota's Dads contention...paulass is your perp!
If it was only urine...as a minor, he would have been out long before now and aruba could go on their merry way..no worries if urine was prosecuted, tourism would hardly of felt a bump.
I believe there was direct links to paulass that required Natalee's body be disappeared..or paulass would have been implicated along with (fill in the blank..judges/polis/govt official).
paulass pulled out his "get out of jail card - for urine" because of his position in money laundering/drugs/human trafficking/govt contracts/etc.jmoo......
And I noticed yesterday that there are wantabee "stackaholics" lurching in the background....

You all know how long it took me to type this? one finger at a time....
bump....

That's very compelling BillB.Who had the power to make those tapes dissappear??Would that be lil' ol' Michael Posner?Be interesting to know if Paulus set up the paperwork for Posner and the Hotel/Casino end of things...

Without researching, I don't know if paulass was in contracts when posner bought the hotel/casino.....
but he was there when posner started his online gambling....If I were a betting person...I'd go with paulass being involved

I am a betting person -- I agree!

We got a bunch of Stackaholics here tonight!I think we can shut this thread down tonight..........

Hello, my name is "wreck"......................................... and I'm a stackaholic. 

Duh....with a name like "wreck"....

With a name like Bubba, you are one to talk.

Bubba........Bubba....Bubba....did you say Bubba???

This is a really stackin party Bubba...

I bet the copy 'n paste crew's pulling their hair out!  

You know, that Truthseeker2 has not been back since it got busted on the slide show!!

How can you be seeking the truth and not be at the coolest,hottest,most truthseeking stackin party on the block!SCARED MONKEYS....