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« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2009, 03:40:03 PM »

Other than the segment of the Range Rover recording where Joran van der Sloot is heard describing what appears to be Natalee Holloway suffering from a seizure … available backup implies that Joran's “confession” was fabricated.

The motivation for the fabrication collaborated ... in my opinion ... by Joran van der Sloot, Patrick vander Eeem, Peter Devries and the Aruban “powers that be” within the investigation was:

1.  Appeasing the family of Natalee Holloway and silencing the media by only implicating an underage Joran ... an underage Joran who at the most would receive a slap on the wrist for initiating a disposal of a body.

2.  Exonerating Deepak and Satish ... the ones who could reveal the whole truth regarding the involvement of Joran, Paulus' and the sons of the elite in the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... thereby exposing the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

3.  Taking the focus off the January 7, 2009 recovery by the Arubans of what could have been Natalee Holloway remains by not mention of a crab/trap in the disposal segment.

4.  Paving the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

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THE WYNDHAM SECURITY CAMERA REVELATION

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

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Joran:  No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said, "Joran you also know, I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem."  He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."  And I said, "Yes." I said, "Yes, I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this." His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.  He said to me, what did he say to me, umm, when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff.  Because, if there is a missing girl then, umm".
 
Patrick:  He's smart, Joran.
 
Joran: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff," and he said, "Ok that is fine." 
 

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  It’s about three o’clock in the morning .  It’s a school night.  They (Joran and Deepak) aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to be the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight – or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.
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« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2009, 06:28:12 PM »


Other than Natalee Holloway suffered seizures in the presence of Joran which was  alluded to by authorities in their questioning of Beth and Jug … I contend the entire Range Rover recordings are fabrications collaborated by Aruban Law Enforcement, Peter Devries, Patrick vander Eem and Joran vander Sloot in an effort to ….

Janet

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THE PAYPHONE

RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
… This friend was an older friend, we have been friends for a long time. I will never name his name, never, I'll take it with me in my grave. I called him, not on my cellphone, but I walked to the payphone. I said "Please, no police, come and help me."


On the Record w/ Greta – February 5, 2008

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  ,,, And moreover, the pay phone that's outside the Marriott that De Vries, this journalist, says he authenticated and went and checked out -- there's no a pay phone that you can make local calls on. We've spoken to the Aruban coast guard as recently as yesterday. It's been part of the initial investigation. It was submitted to this judge in determining the validity of this tape. This pay phone is an international call pay phone where you can only make outgoing calls. They have call logs of it, and the call logs do not support any calls made that night.

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« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2009, 06:30:15 PM »

According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

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Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


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« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2009, 09:47:11 PM »

Other than the reference to what appeared to be seizures … what part of Joran van der Sloot’s “confession” on the Ranger Rover tapes reflected the truth.
 
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DAURY

THE RANGE ROVER TAPES


Patrick:   But how far did he bring her then? This boy must have done a really good job. But how far?  Does he ship often, does he know a lot about boats, what does he know about the ocean?
 
Joran:  He has his own boat licence.
 
Patrick:  Yes, a license, the boy really knows what's he doing. Did he make her heavy to let her sink?
 
Joran:  No, I don't think so.
 
Patrick:  You don't know?  He never told you how he did it?
 
Joran:  Of course he did.
 
Patrick:   How then?
 
Joran:  He just went into the ocean. farther away.   Then he dumped her.
 
Patrick:   You really have been lucky, you know that.  No shit, you where very lucky.
 
Joran:  I say that also.
 
Patrick:   Real lucky.  That he was so stupid, that he did it that way, you know. You have a gigantic angle (weight) hanging above you head.
 
Joran:   That evening I slept normally. I went home that evening, and went to my bed.
 
Patrick:   What's his name?
 
Joran:  Daury
 
Patrick:  Daury what?   Is he Dutch?
 
Joran:  No, well, yes. Half Dutch, half Arubaans. Dutch mother, or something like that.  


Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance

By ELIZABETH VARGAS & CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Feb. 4, 2008


A 21-year old Aruban came forward Monday to say that he is the mystery man that Joran van der Sloot implicated on undercover tapes, but claims that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

ABC News has obtained exclusive U.S. rights to stunning new information about the case, caught on tape, and will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway," Monday at 9:30 p.m. ET.

Rodriguez, who grew up on Aruba and played soccer with Van der Sloot when both men were teenagers, said he was angry that his name had been dragged into the case. He said he met with detectives investigating Holloway's disappearance on Monday morning, and that he told them he was living in Rotterdam, Holland in May 2005, when Holloway went missing.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused.

Van der Sloot apparently logged on to an online instant messaging service over the weekend, and Rodriguez said he confronted him and demanded to know why he'd been named as an accomplice. "So, I was online, and he comes online, and I was like, 'Yo, what's wrong with you, man. Why did you do that?' And he's like, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm so sorry.' And I said, you know, 'What the f---? Sorry? Don't say that! That's [b.s.]. You're putting me in trouble for nothing.'"

Rodriguez said he played soccer with Van der Sloot when the pair were about 16 years old, and that, while he knew him as an acquaintance, he would never call him a friend.

He said they played poker together at a local casino late last year after Van der Sloot was released from his second arrest.

Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.

He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Asked how he could prove his whereabouts during 2005, Rodriguez said that ATMs he had used in Rotterdam could show he was there in May 2005.

Lejuez said he provided investigators with the name of the trade school Rodriguez had attended and the company he later worked for in Rotterdam.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
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« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2009, 10:20:57 PM »


The plan to distance the Kalpoes from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and let only Joran take the fall was brilliant.  Paulus' involvement would be a non issue.  The involvement of the sons of the elite would be a non-issue.  The participation of those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations in the coverup agenda that had prevented justice from prevailing would be a non-issue.

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THE EXONERATION OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

THE RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
But at that moment, you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos n Charlie. These boys, they know.  Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
Patrick:  I figured that already.
 
Patrick: They dropped you off.
 
Joran:  Imagine how "conjo" I had to be to have them to say they had dropped me of at the hotel. That messed things up truly, that messed things up.
 
Patrick:  But, of course.
 
Joran:  So I told him, but if the police comes, Deepak and Satish have dropped me off at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also.  Then he/they said, "Yes, that is true."
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET


JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, "DIARIO":  Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Update on Natalee Holloway Investigation
Aired February 23, 2006 - 21:00 ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html
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« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2009, 01:20:05 PM »

The only segment of the Range Rover recordings regarding Joran van der Sloot's "confession" that reflects the truth is the segment that Joran refers to Natalee's uncontrollable shaking.

In the initial stages of the investigation Natalee's mother and stepfather were questioned by Aruban LE regarding the issues of seizures.  The implication appears to be that during interrogations Joran shared with authorities circumstances encompassing the actual demise of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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RANGE ROVER TRANSCRIPT

Joran:
By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


Beth Holloway on Joran van der Sloot's 'Confession'
Thursday, February 07, 2008


BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

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« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2009, 02:17:01 PM »

ARCHIVES ARE WHERE IT IS AT!

Considering the time frame in regards to the gardener's observation and ... the time of the "something bad happening" on the beach related by Joran in Range Rover "confession" ... could it be that Joran, Deepak and Satish hid Natalee in the Mangrove bushes and ... then ran across the street the Deepak's vehicle to discuss the situation?  Could it be that Paulus was contacted ... entered the scene and took over?  Could it be that Deepak and Satish then took Joran home according to Freddy's statement?

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THE RANGE ROVER RECORDINGS

Patrick:
Where did you talk to him?
 
Joran:  The payphone, from the Marriott hotel,
 
Patrick: In the lobby?
 
Joran:  No outside by the pool. I always sit there.
 
Patrick: Did you just leave her there?
 
Joran:  I left her there.
 
Joran:  So I picked her up and put her by the mangrove things. And I told him, "You need to come here." Because he lives by himself, he does not do all that shit, sometimes he takes a bitch and fucks here, but he lives alone, always. That's the way it should be, so he says. So he gets there, and he says, "Joran what did you do? (Then the friend says,) "But she looks so sweet, you know." She just lays there, she does not do anything. He asks me, "What happened?"... "I don't know," I tell him,
 
Patrick:  Did you try to reanimeren (resuscitate) her?
 
Joran:  Of course, I did.  I tried to shake her.  I was shaking the bitch, I was almost crying, "Why does shit like this happen to me?" I said to him, "This is not possible."
 
Patrick:  What time was this?
 
Joran:  Two thirty, two o'clock.


THE GARDENER

Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.
 
Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005


I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road.


FREDDY

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005


To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.


PAULUS

NANCY GRACE
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Aired August 12, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

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« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2009, 08:04:18 PM »

It appears that Joran van der Sloot,  Rudy Croes,  Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem are willing to give Paulus van der Sloot a free pass in regards to any involvement in the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  The Range Rover recordings negated all archives ... negates the Aruban Superior Court ruling ... in the Natalee Holloway case that imply otherwise.

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The Range Rover Transcript


Joran:  Yes
 
Patrick:  Nobody helped?
 
Joran:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trust

Joran:  Something happened, I didn't kill her, the ocean is big, right? I got very lucky they never found her (no body no case). I think I'm in the clear, they won't find a body. Let me tell you, I never talked about this to anyone. They dumped her in the ocean. I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat. 


RUDY CROES

Amigoe.com
02/08/2008


... Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


PETER DEVRIES

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


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Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

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« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2009, 08:52:25 PM »

It appears that the prosecutor's office may not rearrest Joran van der Sloot in regards to his words regarding the felony of disposing a body claiming that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings cannot be trusted.  However ... when it comes to exonerating the Kalpoes based on Joran's lying words ... exonerating those who could implicate Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite as well as expose the corrupt investigation ... that is a different story.  Hey ... Peter Devries gives the Kalpoes a pass on Joran's lying words.  The archive backups implying Deepak and Satish were involved in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 are negated ... are a non-issue.

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The Range Rover Recording


Joran: ... Ok they have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.
 
Patrick:  Deepak and Satish.
 
Joran:  Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.
 
<snipped>
 
Patrick: So you never told these two anything?
 
Joran:  Never, never, never. 


THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


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Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008


GRACE: Peter, where do the Kalpoe brothers fit into this whole thing?

DE VRIES: Well, they brought him to the beach.

GRACE: Yes.

DE VRIES: They dropped him there, and Natalee, of course, and then they went home. And Joran was asked by Patrick, the insider, What do they know? And then Joran said -- and you have to notice his body language at that moment, No, they know nothing. They -- I told them nothing.

GRACE: So they just got dragged into this unwittingly?

DE VRIES: Yes.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent. Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’”.

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« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2009, 09:30:34 PM »

I hope the Dr. Phil's copy of the Jamie Skeeters' recording was not deceptively manipulated from the original because I somehow believe it will be required to stand alone in the defamation lawsuit filed by the Kalpoes ... stand alone without any backup documents from the Aruban investigation.

I believe that Joran's words in the Range Rover recordings has possibly paved the road for a successful outcome in the Kalpoes' defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

If the Kalpoes are no longer suspects ... if they have been exonerated by Joran's words on the Range Rover recordings ... I believe that the documentation held by Aruba ... documentation that would prove that the Kalpoes were not defamed by Dr. Phil .. will be sealed.  I could be wrong.

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Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil   
 
 
A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.


The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.


In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html
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« Reply #113 on: September 20, 2009, 07:25:52 PM »

I find it very suspicious that Joran's anger issues did not come into play in regards to the video recording that was about to be released ... the video recording where he admits that he was present when Natalee Holloway died and ... implicates himself in the disposal of Natalee's body.  He has no concern.  Why?  Also ... he does not appear to hold anything again Patrick van der Eem or Peter Devries for their betrayal in regards to a "secret" recording.

Something is not right

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
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February 4, 2008


Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

<snipped>

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night.

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THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT - IS A SETTLEMENT ON THE HORIZON?

I cannot comprehend why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys (Aruba) would file this huge defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw unless ther is a solid foundation to prove that the recording heard on the Dr. Phil Show differed from the original recording that can be found on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Think about it.  A professional comparison in an FBI lab is all it would take to would reveal to the world whether or not Deepak admitted that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Also, the Kalpoe attorneys must realize that Phil McGraw millions would provide a defence like no other.

Unless case related documents can be obtained by McGraw's attorneys which will reveal that the Kalpoes were not defamed ... I am expecting an out-of-court settlement.

IMO

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta
Tale of the Tape
Thursday, December 01, 2005


Jamie Skeeters, while in Aruba, had a taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe and there is now much debate about that tape and what Deepak did or did not say. Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee. Some authorities in Aruba now say that the "Dr. Phil" show — or someone — manipulated or altered the original tape of the interview with Deepak in order to create a false story for air. This is in sharp contrast to what the representatives of the "Dr. Phil" show assert.

The (Dr. Phil) representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. When we listened to the generation of tape provided us the other night from Aruban representatives, our staff thought what was said was, "You would be surprised how simple it would have been."

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

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THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT - IS A SETTLEMENT ON THE HORIZON?

I cannot comprehend why Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys (Aruba) would file this huge defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw unless ther is a solid foundation to prove that the recording heard on the Dr. Phil Show differed from the original recording that can be found on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Think about it.  A professional comparison in an FBI lab is all it would take to would reveal to the world whether or not Deepak admitted that he, Joran and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  Also, the Kalpoe attorneys must realize that Phil McGraw millions would provide a defence like no other.

Unless case related documents can be obtained by McGraw's attorneys which will reveal that the Kalpoes were not defamed ... I am expecting an out-of-court settlement.

IMO

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Thursday, December 01, 2005


Jamie Skeeters, while in Aruba, had a taped interview with Deepak Kalpoe and there is now much debate about that tape and what Deepak did or did not say. Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee. Some authorities in Aruba now say that the "Dr. Phil" show — or someone — manipulated or altered the original tape of the interview with Deepak in order to create a false story for air. This is in sharp contrast to what the representatives of the "Dr. Phil" show assert.

The (Dr. Phil) representative also said the show stands by its position that Deepak said on tape, "You would be surprised how simple it was...." The implication of that quote is that Deepak had sex with Natalee. When we listened to the generation of tape provided us the other night from Aruban representatives, our staff thought what was said was, "You would be surprised how simple it would have been."

... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI.

Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
updated 6:00 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


DAN ABRAMS, HOST: All right. Let me do this. I‘m going to play now in order all three. I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got. We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive. Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version. All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version. This is what actually came from the hard drive. Here it is.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: Yes, she did. You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS: Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy. All right. Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba and I have to tell you, it sounds different.

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know? I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you.

KALPOE: No, she didn‘t. You would be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/





I could be mistaken, but I thought that the case was dismissed with prejudice....

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d061.htm

If this is true, a settlement might not be in the horizon, as you've stated.  jmo and subject to change if my facts are incorrect.
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« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2009, 01:47:15 PM »

 

The defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (Aruba) against Phil Mcgraw has been dismissed!!!

When did this happen?

 

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« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2009, 02:15:51 PM »

Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)


10.dotratc on May 10th, 2009 7:17 am

Maybe the celebrations are a bit premature. You inadvertently left the following portion of the Judge’s Order out when you posted the article:

“To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable…”

By dismissing the Skeeters Estate, the Judge effectively eliminated one of the best defenses available to the remaining Defendants.



The full court transcript can be read here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/


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« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2009, 02:20:19 PM »

The Kalpoes' attorney never had any intentions of releasing case related documents.  The comparison between the original recording and the Dr. Phil recording was were it was at from the getgo.

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

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« Reply #119 on: September 21, 2009, 03:41:29 PM »

I believe the following words in the judgement on behalf of the estate of Jamie Skeeters is huge in regards to the direction the court appears to be heading in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

I am inclined to believe that settling with Deepak and Satish (Aruba) will be in Phil McGraw's best interest.

I am not rejoicing in my speculations in regards to the direction of this defamation lawsuit.  I will gladly eat an entire crow pie if I am wrong.

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SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA COUNT,  OF LOS ANGELES

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