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« Reply #480 on: March 28, 2010, 05:57:46 PM »

In DISPOSED ... it is revealed that that those at the highest level of Dutch Law Enforcement were forwarned by Patrick vander Eem that an undercover operation was in the planning stages ... an undercover operation which involved Joran van der Sloot ... the prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Was the Range Rover undercover operation compromised?  Was Joran van der Sloot given a heads up?

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1.  DUTCH LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS AWARE


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Chapter 8:
The days flew into weeks and the weeks quickly turned into two months. Every second ticked by to a moment closer to Joran giving me a confession. What I was going to dowith that confession was still up in the air. What do I do once he does tell me? I knew the police had to be involved. That much was a given. Since my past was questionable at best, I figured just my word was not good enough.

Chapter 9:  ... It took a week and a half for someone to contact me. As they say the waiting is the hardest part but there was nothing to be done about it since you can’t directly contact the CIE (Criminal Information Unit of the Dutch police which collects information on organized crime and big crime cases). They have to call you.

Frank had passed along that the information was pertaining to Joran van der Sloot. I told the man on the phone that I befriended Joran with the purpose of getting him to talk and that it might be interesting for them if we speak. Within a week I had an appointment to meet two CIE agents.


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Chapter 18:  The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands.  Joran called me and said 'Hey, are we going to do something?  Am I going to see you?'  So I had arranged to see him on January 29.
 
That night we hit the casino and the red light district in Arnhem.  It was really late when I decided to take him home we ran into a police checkpoint on the way out of the red light district.
 
I stopped the way I should and the officer asks for my driver's licence.  He asks if the car is mine and I say it's a rental because mine is in the shop.  Then he wants to see the paper work.  The rental agreement is listed to Endemol.  So I'm afraid the copy will say 'So you work for Endemol' with Joran sitting next to me.  I quickly step out of the car to talk with the police officer.
 
Another officer comes over and we all talk nicely and it gets straightened out.  No problems.  They let me go on my way. Who knows, when they checked my documents they got a big 'leave this car alone' on their screen.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13561414/Patrick-van-der-Eem-book
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« Reply #481 on: March 28, 2010, 05:59:02 PM »

In Patrick vander Eem's book DISPOSED ... it is confirmed that the Aruban "powers that be" were aware of the undercover recordings and ... input by the Aruban enemy was provided in regards to the fifth and final recording ... the Aruban enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.

Was the Range Rover undercover operation compromised?  Was Joran van der Sloot given a heads up?

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2.  THE ARUBAN PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE WAS AWARE

Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea ...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip


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Chapter 18:
  The footage from this fourth ride was the money shot. Although we still had no idea who Daury was, everything else was beautiful. That was good since I could not do it all again. I told Peter R as much. ‘I need a vacation. The family and I are going to Spain for a few days. I have to get myself back together. I’m completely done with it. I have made my last trip.’

‘It was great stuff, Patrick. You really start to look like a professional infiltrator. You let him tell the story all by himself.’ Peter was looking content.

Peter and Kees would be in Aruba while I was in Spain. There they would make all the stand-uppers for the show, the text the host uses to make the story cohesive. Not an easy job, because the crime reporter wanted to do it on the beach where Natalee disappeared and of course could not film when people listened in to the wrap-ups he used.

They thought it best to show the tapes to Hans Mos, the lead prosecutor there. They wanted to inform him about the confessions and get a response for the program

Peter checked in with me regularly from the first day I was in Spain. The text messages were flowing back and forth. I now know why he has the reputation of a terrier. He is extremely persistent. There had to be another car trip. I text him to leave me alone.  I text him I could not do it anymore

I text him to stop texting me. He replied: ‘Let’s go for another drive, maybe we will hear some more, why not, the car is ready, let’s just try.’  ’ I have had some good days on the beach.  My head felt clearer again. How could I say no to this man?

I told them that when I got back to Holland I would set it all up. They just had to give me the questions and get the Range Rover ready. They were all so happy.

The vacation ended far too soon and there I was back in the Netherlands. Joran called
me and said ‘Hey, are we going to do something? Am I going to see you?’ so I had arranged to see him on January 29.

Peter R was already in the studio with Kees getting everything put together for the broadcast. It had been decided it would air on Sunday the third of February. It had already begun to leak that Peter had been in Aruba and from there the secrecy would fall apart fast.

The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it. They gave us one that was, to say the least, different. The slick black interior was now brown for a start. How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran? I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner. That would work. My ‘own’ car would look cooler with chrome rims and a stereo with some more base. The cameras and mikes would fit in the same places as before. It felt like we had done this a thousand times before. This time it was a ritual without end. Today though would be the very last shot we had. The wheels had been set in motion to reveal what was in our hand. It was time to put all our cards on the table.

Chapter 19:  The rituals were all the same. In the morning of this last Tuesday in January, the crew set up the video tapes and checked the equipment. Unlike the other rides this one truly felt like the last. A sense of urgency hung over the whole affair. This was the last shot.  There would be no room for mistakes this time.

Joran was waiting for me

Since we’re going to Antwerp I ask if he has any weed on him because I don’t want to bring it
across the border. It would not be a good thing to get caught with it going into Belgium.  Joran says he has a little and I tell him to throw it away before the border post.

Joran seemed closed off. There had already been rumors about there being new evidence in the Natalee case

We talked on at length about the weed plantation. That topic always seemed to relax him but his view today had a harder edge than on most other days when we discussed it.

Every time we got together I would stress manners to Joran. It was important to be nice to people. It made things in life go so much easier.

Things are rolling along well now and Joran is relaxed. His body still tells me he is not all open but I need to try to get the information or this entire trip is a waste of time.

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« Reply #482 on: March 28, 2010, 06:14:40 PM »

Why was Joran, Deepak and Satish detained by Aruban Law Enforcement at the end of November, 2007 ... days prior to the planned undercover Range Rover recordings?  Was there a connection?

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Chapter 11:
  We had set it all up for Monday. Peter, Kees and a tech would come by my place with the Range Rover and start up the gear. They would then go and wait till I called them to retrieve the tapes.

My cell rings on Wednesday the Twenty-first of November. I was actually on my way to see Joran with Mounir in the car. ‘Patrick, oh man, the shit hit the fan here.’ It was one of Joran’s housemates, MK. ‘Joran wanted me to call you. The cops just picked him up and their taking him to Aruba.’

I felt my heart stop and my stomach dropped to the floor. ‘When?’ That was all I could
think to ask.  ‘Just now man. The cops cuffed him and told him he was going back to Aruba.  He wanted you to know.’

Shit, shit, shit. What the f***. ‘Thanks for calling me. Do you need anything? I’m on my way over there now.’

‘No problem Patrick. Nah, don’t come over it’s a media circus here. I don’t want to be
here right now.’

‘Okay MK, you need something you got my number.’

The phone went dead and I just sat there. This couldn’t be happening. Everything was ready. What could they have in Aruba?

Chapter 12:  If the story ended right there I would have been alright with it. I could get my life back and Beth and Dave would have justice, but it wasn’t going to be that way. My sources in Aruba were better than anything Peter R. DeVries could set up. I knew in three days that they would only hold Joran for two weeks. When I called to let Kees and Peter know they didn’t believe me.

After two weeks, like clockwork, Joran was out as I had been informed.  The timing of the call is clear in my mind because the Dutch version of Santa Claus had just passed on December 5.

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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #483 on: March 28, 2010, 06:26:16 PM »

Just a reminder to all who read here that all of the speculation posted in this and other threads is only the opinion of one member of this forum.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/22/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Divers Now Searching for Natalee Holloway`s Remains in Ocean

Aired March 22, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

snip

And tonight, we obtain the rest of Joran Van Der Sloot`s alleged confession, describing how Holloway disappears. He insists she`ll never be found. But tonight, will justice finally win out?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): She`s been dumped in the ocean?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): By yourself?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): How? You went swimming or what?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S FATHER: I`m not so sure he did throw her in the ocean. I don`t know that. And I hope they find her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): With a boat?

VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Then it`s done. When you`ve brought her away with a boat further than two miles, she won`t be coming back ever, you know.

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REMINDER:

THERE ARE MANY, MANY, HOURS OF THE RANGE ROVER CONFESSIONS!

WE HAVE ONLY HEARD AND/OR SEEN THE TRANSCRIPTS OF SOME OF WHAT JORAN VANDERSLOOT STATED.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #484 on: April 07, 2010, 03:35:37 PM »

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« Reply #491 on: February 27, 2010, 08:21:09 PM »


Kermit

If the archives are disregarded and ... the Range Rover "confession" and/or the most recent "confession" are embraced as the truth regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the following must be assumed:

1.  Natalee was willingly participated in sexual acts with Joran.
2.  Paulus van der Sloot was not involved.
3.  Deepak and Satish were not involved.
4.  The sons of elite were not involved.
5.  The van der Sloot residence is a non-issue.
6.  The observation of the gardener did not happen.
7.  Joran's only crime was the disposal of a body.
8.  The cage/trap discovered by the Persistence and recovered by Aruban divers was a none issue.

IMO ... any "confession" that conforms with the above list is one with the misinformation campaign that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since the getgo.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


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« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
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I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


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« Reply #499 on: February 27, 2010, 08:46:20 PM »


Klaas

I agree 100%.  If the Kalpoes are deemed no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case ... all case documents pertaining to them are non-issues.

Also ... if the Kalpoes are implicated ... they are not going to go down alone.  These two have the ability to reveal what really happened that morning and who ALL were involved.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973

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« Reply #485 on: April 07, 2010, 03:50:33 PM »

The Kalpoes attorney had it figured out at the getgo ... figured out that Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover recording in regards to their clients could be considered a lottery.

Janet

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Brothers Questioned in Holloway Case Sue Dr. Phil
Judge Refuses to Dismiss Holloway-Related Suit Against CBS and 'Dr. Phil' McGraw
LOS ANGELES Feb 6, 2008 (AP)


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.


In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/WireStory?id=4248025&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/WireStory?id=4248025&page=2


RANGE ROVER CONFESSION - ABC 20/20 - February 4, 2008

J: But at that moment you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos and Charlies, these boys they know, ok they have just dropped me of, they don't know anything furhter.

P: Deepak and Satish.

J: Dumb boys Patrick, they are not even worth it.

Translation by Marco at RU 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2576.msg342749;topicseen#msg342749
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« Reply #486 on: April 11, 2010, 06:45:30 PM »

FAMILY ATTORNEY - JOHN Q. KELLY

Journalist claims to crack Natalee Holloway case
Fri., Feb. 1, 2008


There is also the matter of whether the tapes would be admissible in court.

“First of all, it was done in the Netherlands,” Kelly said. “In Aruba, you have to have at least one party consent to the conversation. If one party knew he was being taped … it would be admissible.”

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22949353/

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« Reply #487 on: April 11, 2010, 07:26:29 PM »

HANS MOS - ARUBAN PROSECUTOR

Aruban prosecutor considers secret camera footage admissible in court
Posted: 02/05/08 at 8:55 am EST


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- A hidden-camera interview with a Dutch student saying missing teenager Natalee Holloway was dead and that he had a friend dump her body at sea is admissible in court, the chief Aruban prosecutor said Monday.

The courts in Aruba will likely accept the tape as evidence because it was recorded by a private citizen without any influence by authorities, Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters.

"I take it very seriously," Mos said of the video.

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI75572/


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Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

Chapter 18:
  The footage from this fourth ride was the money shot. Although we still had no idea who Daury was, everything else was beautiful. That was good since I could not do it all again. I told Peter R as much. ‘I need a vacation. The family and I are going to Spain for a few days. I have to get myself back together. I’m completely done with it. I have made my last trip.’

‘It was great stuff, Patrick. You really start to look like a professional infiltrator. You let him tell the story all by himself.’ Peter was looking content.

Peter and Kees would be in Aruba while I was in Spain. There they would make all the stand-uppers for the show, the text the host uses to make the story cohesive. Not an easy job, because the crime reporter wanted to do it on the beach where Natalee disappeared and of course could not film when people listened in to the wrap-ups he used.

They thought it best to show the tapes to Hans Mos, the lead prosecutor there. They wanted to inform him about the confessions and get a response for the program.

Peter checked in with me regularly from the first day I was in Spain. The text messages were flowing back and forth. I now know why he has the reputation of a terrier. He is extremely persistent. There had to be another car trip.

I told them that when I got back to Holland I would set it all up. They just had to give me the questions and get the Range Rover ready.

The Range Rover we had used was brought back because apparently the place the crime show rented it from had sold it. They gave us one that was, to say the least, different. The slick black interior was now brown for a start. How the hell was I going to explain this away to Joran? I could always tell him that they were pimping my ride and this was a loaner. That would work.

My ‘own’ car would look cooler with chrome rims and a stereo with some more base. The cameras and mikes would fit in the same places as before. It felt like we had done this a thousand times before. This time it was a ritual without end. Today though would be the very last shot we had. The wheels had been set in motion to reveal what was in our hand. It was time to put all our cards on the table.

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« Reply #488 on: April 11, 2010, 08:06:52 PM »

Does the above post imply that it was a given prior to the broadcast that the secret  recording of Joran van der Sloot's "confession" would never be admissible in an Aruban court?

Is this the reason that Joran was never detained for any period of time based on his own words?

The world would be convinced that the Natalee Holloway case had been solved.  Only Joran and an unknown accomplicd were participants in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway following her demise from a seizure ... only Joran and an unknown accomplice were guilty of a misdemeanor under Dutch Law of disposing of a body?
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« Reply #489 on: April 12, 2010, 12:37:46 PM »

MARCH 2010

As of March 2010 ... the Aruban prosecutor was upholding the words of Joran van der Sloot in the Range Rover recording as the truth ... the words which implicates only Joran and an unnamed accomplice in the misdemeanor under Dutch Law of disposal of a body.

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NANCY GRACE
Joran Now Says Natalee Fell to Her Death From a Balcony
Aired March 5, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: You know, I`m going to go to Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, there is a new prosecutor. Do you have any faith that there`s going to be a prosecution?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: You know, I`m not really sure, Nancy. I had an opportunity to speak with him for a long period of time yesterday. I was inspired from what I heard. He believes that this latest story is false, and he gave me some reasons why. And you know, he just felt like the original video with Peter De Vries was the most accurate confession because it was not under any terms of money being paid. It was not under any duress or anything like that. He gave it voluntarily.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/05/ng.01.html

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« Reply #490 on: April 17, 2010, 10:22:43 AM »

I am no attorney but ... according to a statement by the Prosecutor's Office (Hans Mos) regarding Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover recording ... it appears the Kalpoes are deemed no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway.

Does the non-suspect status of Deepak imply that ... from a legal perspective ... incriminating case documentation will not be forthcoming?  Therefore ...  must the Dr. Phil recording stand alone in the defamation lawsuit?  Was it edited?  Was it deceptively manipulation?

There is some legal reason that the judge has not thrown out this case by now.  The Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied time and time again with the court order to produce the requested documentation and ... time and time again the court has granted an extension.

Hey ... according to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' representation informed the courts in writing at the getgo that case documentation would not be forthcoming.  However ... the judge allowed the case to proceed.

There is some reason the the Kalpoes' attorneys have not dropped the defamation lawsuit by now.  It appears that they are confident that either a out-of-court settlement is forthcoming or ... a victory if the case goes to court. 

I hope the case is not thrown out.  I want the controversy to end regarding the Dr. Phil recording.  A professional comparison with the Jamie Skeeters' hard drive will reveal the truth ... the Jamie Skeeters' hard drive that has been cleared of deception by the courts.

IMO

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  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR HOLLOWAY FAMILY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ....

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« Reply #491 on: April 17, 2010, 03:05:59 PM »

Other than the suspect ... in the past the impression has been that release of the official documents in the Natalee Holloway case was not permitted until the investigation has been officially closed.

Considering the Natalee Holloway case is not officially closed ... could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are not legally allowed to release the official case documents that are in their possession?

Could it be that the log of requested documents was the extent that the Kalpoes' attorneys were allowed to comform to the court's request? 

Maybe the reason that the Kalpoes' attorney informed the courts at the getgo that no case documents would be forthcoming was because Dutch Law would not allow for the release of these documents.  In other words ... the Dr. Phil recording would have to stand alone in regards to whether there was any manipulation meant to implicate Deepak.

In February 2008 ... the judge allowed a two week extention to the Kalpoes' attorneys to come up with the case documents.  Over two years later there has been no compliance yet the case has not been thrown out and ... the case has not been dropped.  Why?

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On the Record w/ Greta – July 6, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY:  The one thing that everybody asks me, why did we retain an attorney? Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

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Nancy Grace - June 10, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Very quickly back to Vivian Van Der Biezen. Why is it that the defense attorneys for the other four have not been allowed to see this Dutch boy`s statement, the son of the Aruban judicial official?

VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

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« Reply #492 on: April 18, 2010, 10:40:56 AM »

Why has the court have not dismissed the defamation lawsuit?  After all ... it has been over two years since the Kalpoes' attorneys were given a five day extention to comply with the court's request to produce case documents.

I speculate that the Kalpoes' attorneys have convinced the judge that legally they are prevented from complying.

Could it be that:

1.  Under Dutch law ... case documents cannot be released while an investigation is ongoing ... an investigation has not been closed.

2.  The Kalpoes are no longer deemed suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and therefore ... case documents pertaining to them are non-issues.

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« Reply #493 on: April 18, 2010, 10:45:43 AM »

Here's what I think is going to happen.  I think the June 1, 2010 final date for the Kalpoes to come to LA to give their depositions is going to come and go and the Kalpoes will be a no show.  They will come up with more excuses.

The judge will then throw the entire case OUT and award the Dr. Phil people legal fees.

In my opinion ... IF Phil McGraw's attorneys are not confident that a judge can be convinced  that the disputed segment of the Skeeters' recording was not deceptively manipulated ... I believe a settlement will be negotiated.

I could be wrong.

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Holloway wrongful-death suit dismissed
Judge in L.A. tosses suit filed by parents over teen who vanished in Aruba
Fri., June 1, 2007


In December, the brothers filed a defamation and fraud suit in a California court against TV psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw, an investigator and CBS Television Distribution Group.

The suit contends that the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a secretly recorded conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

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« Reply #494 on: April 18, 2010, 10:47:08 AM »

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The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway ...

•    Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened ...

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

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« Reply #495 on: April 18, 2010, 10:48:23 AM »

THE DEFAMATION CASE AND THE RANGE ROVER RECORDING CONNECTION

Brothers Questioned in Holloway Case Sue Dr. Phil
Judge Refuses to Dismiss Holloway-Related Suit Against CBS and 'Dr. Phil' McGraw
LOS ANGELES Feb 6, 2008 (AP)


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

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Brothers Questioned in Holloway Case Sue Dr. Phil
Judge Refuses to Dismiss Holloway-Related Suit Against CBS and 'Dr. Phil' McGraw
LOS ANGELES Feb 6, 2008 (AP)


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom. .....

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

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« Reply #497 on: April 18, 2010, 11:01:56 AM »

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I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

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« Reply #498 on: April 18, 2010, 08:07:17 PM »

In regards to the defamation lawsuit ... I want to make myself clear on my position.

I do not want Deepak Kalpoe to emerge the victor either in a negociated settlement or ... in a court of law.

However ... considering that Phil McGraw's attorneys are not allowing the disputed recording to stand alone as evidence in their assertion that there was no manipulation of Deepak's words ... I fear that maybe there was indeed some manipulation.

My take is that incriminating case documents have been requested to prove that Deepak was not defamed by the manipulation.

With all my heart I hope I am wrong in my speculation and ... the judge throws out the case and ... the Kapoes are held responsible for all costs associated with a frivolous lawsuit.

Even if it is revealed that the Phil McGraw's tape was deceptively manipulation and Deepak never confessed in that interview with Skeeters ... I am one with Beth that the Kalpoes are deeply involved in the happenings encompassing her daughter's disappearance.

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Holloway wrongful-death suit dismissed
Judge in L.A. tosses suit filed by parents over teen who vanished in Aruba
Fri., June 1, 2007


In December, the brothers filed a defamation and fraud suit in a California court against TV psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw, an investigator and CBS Television Distribution Group.

The suit contends that the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a secretly recorded conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

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« Reply #499 on: April 19, 2010, 03:07:36 PM »

NOVEMBER, 2008 DETAINMENTS - DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

"Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway."


CNN - November 26, 2007

Aruba's chief prosecutor said Friday that there is enough evidence to prove Natalee Holloway is dead -- even if the Alabama teenager's remains are never found.

"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html


CNN - November 20, 2007

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
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