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« Reply #520 on: April 24, 2010, 01:01:03 PM »

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THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

The Road Ranger Transcript:

 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
________


According to Aruban attorneys ... under Dutch law "serious/strong" suspicions are requirments for detaining suspects.  What was the foundation that authorities derived "serious/strong" suspicions from in the detention of Paulus van der Sloot as a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case?

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Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)

 
The father was arrested at about 2 p.m. on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old from suburban Birmingham, Alabama, said prosecution spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

"At this point he's a suspect," Croes said. "There's a reasonable suspicion that he knows something and is involved in the disappearance of Ms. Holloway."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


Suspicions - Paulus van der Sloot - June, 2005

"Complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping."


NORAINA PIETERSZ

Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, (Noraina) Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html 
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« Reply #521 on: April 24, 2010, 01:17:59 PM »

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THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT


Paulus claimed he left the casino during the Poker game prior to Natalee entering the establishment.  Why would he lie?  If there was nothing to hide ... why not admit that he had a short encounter with Natalee at the Black Jack table?  Why did Paulus attempt to distance himself from any connection to Natalee?

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Witness Statement - Paulus van der Sloot - June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.0


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - September 19, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 14, 2006

DANA PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


The Lineup - June 9, 2006    

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html


Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST:  John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process. ....

COSBY:  And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before? 

KELLY:  No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her.  And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
ABC7CHICAGO - February 23, 2006

(Michael) Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339&ft=print


Paulus Van der Sloot and the Man at the Excelsior Casino … You Make the call
Posted May 9, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/09/paulus-van-der-sloot-and-the-man-at-the-excelsior-casino-you-make-the-call/
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« Reply #522 on: April 24, 2010, 02:02:36 PM »

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THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VANDER SLOOT


Beth Holloway alleged from the getgo that Paulus van der Sloot initially claimed that he had picked up Joran and others at the Palm Beach McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning that her daughter went missing.

Paulus denied Beth's allegation.  However ... the Superior Court panel of judges which deemed that Paulus's detention was justified affirms that he had originally declared the 4:00 AM pick up time.

Why did Paulus want to distance himself from all happenings that connected him to the missing American teenager?  It is said the lies are created to coverup the truth.  What truth was Paulus attempting to coverup?

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Superior Court - January, 2007
 
The possible involvement of Paulus that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

 
To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Nova Interview (Twan Hys)
June 28, 2005

 
VAN DER SLOOT: During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran. And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee., while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's.


Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/
 
 
Nancy Grace - August 12, 2005
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html
 
 
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - March 21, 2006
 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Lt. Roland Tromp - Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005


Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/05/world/main763210_page2.shtml


Witness Statement - June 14, 2005

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 14 June 2005 / 21:10
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: witness statement


Witness Statement - June 18, 2005

Name: Paul van der Sloot
Date: 18 June 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 10 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator. Roland Tromp/ Clyde Burke
Description: witness statement

 
 
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« Reply #523 on: April 24, 2010, 07:56:22 PM »

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THE RANGE ROVER CONFESSION - THE SHOES

In the Range Rover recording ... it is apparent that Joran van der Sloot could not keep the story straight ... the story encompassing his shoes.

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ACCORDING TO PETER DEVRIES
 
The Complete Store
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened.  oran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

 
Nancy Grace - February 7, 2008

PETER DE VRIES: Yes, I`m pretty convinced by that. Because it was not a slip of the tongue, what he did. He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I'm convince that he told the truth.
 
Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


ACCORDING TO JORAN VAN DER SLOOT
 
Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

Chapter 17:


JORAN:  The shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home... 

PATRICK: You just took them off. 

JORAN: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes)... 

PATRICK: Riolering (storm drains) or something. 

JORAN: Yes.


Chapter 19:

PATRICK:  All I can think is that there is something about those shoes that you do not want them to see.
 
JORAN:  No, of course not. I still have those shoes. I just told those dudes that I left my shoes behind.
 
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« Reply #524 on: April 24, 2010, 08:04:38 PM »

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THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT


If Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover confession reflect the truth ... his fathers only wrongdoing regarding the happenings encompassing the Natalee Holloway case was smuggling a cell to him while detained.

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Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape.  Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


The Road Ranger Transcript:
 
PATRICK:  But what about your father? When you came home?  He noticed nothing different about you?
 
JORAN:  My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
________
 
PATRICK:  Did you put her in the sea, alone?
 
JORAN: Yes.
 
PATRICK:  Nobody helped?
 
JORAN:  Somebody, who I trust, I am not giving his name, not my parents, somebody I trustl.  I know people who could help me, I'm not naming names. It's not my parents, it was a friend, with a boat.
 
PATRICK:  I know that friend is your father. I know it Joran.
 
JORAN:  No, no, no.
 
PATRICK:  Why not? Why would someone say when he picks you up ‘you  must go to school’?  When you told me that, I know.
 
JORAN:  No.
 
PATRICK:  Look Joran, I told you from the start, hey I talked to my girlfriend about it,  y’know.  In the first place, I said to my girlfriend that if someone had to call me like that, I’d also help him.
 
JORAN:  Me too, me too, me too! But I’m telling you, Patrick, my father wouldn’t do that, and it’s  not so.
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« Reply #525 on: April 24, 2010, 11:00:12 PM »

THE NOVEMBER, 2007 DETENTIONS

November 29, 2007
Natalee Holloway's parents to meet with Aruban prosecutor


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The chief prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway investigation has agreed to meet Saturday with the parents of the missing Alabama teen, who is presumed dead.

"I'm really anxious to meet him," Beth Holloway told CNN. "I've waited a long time for this meeting."

A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

"There's no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. ... I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos said last week.

Natalee Holloway's mother said she has hope that Mos will be able to solve the case.

"He seems great. The case seems to be handled well. I'm going to ask him some long-awaited questions," she said.

The family is encouraged that the meeting will take place, Holloway attorney John Kelly told CNN. Two years ago, the previous chief prosecutor -- who has since returned to the Netherlands -- would not sit down with them.

Kelly said Beth Holloway and her ex-husband, Dave, want to share information they've gathered since their daughter disappeared in May 2005 while on vacation with about 100 classmates

Neither he nor Beth Holloway would provide details.

Questions about evidence

Lawyers for the three suspects were in court in Aruba on Thursday on behalf of their clients. They argued that last week's rearrests were baseless and that prosecutors have no new evidence against their clients. They said they have no idea what happened to Holloway.

As he rushed out of the closed hearing before a judge, van der Sloot's lawyer told CNN that authorities have no reason to hold van der Sloot in jail again as they did two years ago. He said the so-called new incriminating evidence is worthless.

"To say it's less than nothing is too much. But it's not very much. It's very, very thin," Ariean de Bie said.

Van der Sloot's parents were allowed to provide him with a Bible but no other reading materials, the lawyer said. Van der Sloot is forbidden from seeing any visitors and can meet only with his lawyers and interrogators.

De Bie said van der Sloot has not provided authorities with any new information since his rearrest and extradition from the Netherlands, where he'd been attending college. He said his client would rather be anywhere than in a prison cell.

"He's not very happy about it," the attorney said.

Van der Sloot's co-counsel -- New York attorney Joe Tacopina -- said he has no doubt his client is innocent.

"Whatever they're holding in their bag, whatever they don't want to show anyone ... it's not going to amount to a hill of beans against Joran van der Sloot because he had no involvement in Natalee's disappearance," Tacopina told CNN.

Tacopina said he'll be in Aruba next week and try to meet with van der Sloot in his jail cell.

Attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers will meet with a judge in separate jailhouse hearings Friday to argue that their clients should be set free and not held another eight days.

A judge will decide whether prosecutors can continue to hold the Kalpoes even longer.

Van der Sloot will have a similar hearing next Friday when prosecutors are expected to ask to keep him jailed another 60 days.

Mos has said he hopes to decide by the end of the year whether he will try all three suspects for Holloway's presumed death, which he suggests was an accident. The prosecutor won't say what his new evidence is until his investigation is complete.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/index.html#cnnSTCVideo


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« Reply #526 on: April 27, 2010, 01:14:22 PM »

The credibility of the pond witness is not the issue ... the issue is that Hans Mos refuses to consider any information the family has acquired that would implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN


For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


On the Record w/ Greta - November 20, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Hans Mos does not believe this witness?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Hans Mos does not believe the witness. And when the witness gave his statement, it's my understanding that when he got -- when he almost got to the part talking about the judge, Hans Mos made a comment that, what a nice guy he was and all this kind of stuff. ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Did the -- did -- was there ever any follow-up to see whether or not your witness had information that was truly helpful? Did Hans Mos, even though he didn't believe him -- did he at least assign someone to go out and investigate and look at that pond area?

HOLLOWAY: No, he didn't. You know, we had asked him to. And in fact, we had planned to go excavate the pond ourselves, and these hurricanes came through and one came close to Aruba and filled the pond back up with water. It's still our plan to go back. I think Hans Mos and I discussed, you know, Natalee's not in the pond, but we believe that, you know, he could possibly find a tennis shoe, maybe her driver's license or even some of Natalee's clothing, which would help lead into, you know, the timeline. And also, this witness implicates Paulus van der Sloot. So if that's the case, you know, that needs to be done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455069,00.html
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« Reply #527 on: April 27, 2010, 01:51:49 PM »


The credibility of the pond witness is not the issue ... the issue is that Hans Mos refuses to consider any information the family has acquired that would implicate Paulus van der Sloot.

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02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN


For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential Witness
Thursday, November 20, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Hans Mos does not believe this witness?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Hans Mos does not believe the witness. And when the witness gave his statement, it's my understanding that when he got -- when he almost got to the part talking about the judge, Hans Mos made a comment that, what a nice guy he was and all this kind of stuff. ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Did the -- did -- was there ever any follow-up to see whether or not your witness had information that was truly helpful? Did Hans Mos, even though he didn't believe him -- did he at least assign someone to go out and investigate and look at that pond area?

HOLLOWAY: No, he didn't. You know, we had asked him to. And in fact, we had planned to go excavate the pond ourselves, and these hurricanes came through and one came close to Aruba and filled the pond back up with water. It's still our plan to go back. I think Hans Mos and I discussed, you know, Natalee's not in the pond, but we believe that, you know, he could possibly find a tennis shoe, maybe her driver's license or even some of Natalee's clothing, which would help lead into, you know, the timeline. And also, this witness implicates Paulus van der Sloot. So if that's the case, you know, that needs to be done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455069,00.html


Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Quote from: jen3560 on July 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM

Natalee's Freebirds heard from this family member on Sept 14 2008 with the info that Beth was not at all happy with Mos ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg884344#msg884344
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« Reply #528 on: May 02, 2010, 12:13:01 AM »

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THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT

When Beth and Melody's words are considered in context ... could there have been a witness who placed Paulus in the McDonald area at 11:00 PM ... a time he should have been home.  Think about it ... he claimed in his official statement that he left the Casino half-way through the Poker Tournament.  However ... security cameras appear to placed him much later at the Black Jack table conversing with Natalee.

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Nancy Grace - August 3, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlie`s, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html


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i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ... i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM


but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM


wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am ... i wrote down the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM


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« Reply #529 on: May 02, 2010, 10:49:05 PM »

THE NOVEMBER, 2007 REARRESTS

On November 27, 2007 private eye was sketical but ... I was a believer ... a believer in the words of Hans Mos.  I consider him a knight in shining armour in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

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« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2007, 09:55:19 AM
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... I believe that the significant portions of the new evidence could well be old evidence that was never presented to the courts, such as the June 10 break down of Joran, or the tape recording of the boys in the patrol car. I think there may well be other new evidence, but I always felt that they had all of the evidence they needed to convict the boys as of June 10, 2005. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2393.msg306707;topicseen#msg306707


HANS MOS

ABC News - November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


CNN News - November 29, 2007

A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

"There's no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. ... I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos said last week.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/index.html


CNN - November 30, 2007

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


CBS News - November 30, 2007

On Friday a judge ruled the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding the Kalpoes, and ordered them released.

Aruba chief prosecutor Hans Mos called the decision a setback, but said the investigation will proceed.

"We had hoped for a longer period to confront these suspects with the material we have against them," he said. "We were not finished with that yet. But this is the way the law says it has to go."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/30/world/main3559649.shtml


RONALD WIX

CBS News - December 20, 2007


Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/20/world/main3636049.shtml


JOE TACOPINA

The Lineup - December 2, 2007


JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence.


JOHN Q. KELLY

On the Record w/ Greta - December 4, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - December 3, 2008

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: If you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


BETH HOLLOWAY

The search for Natalee Holloway
By Chris Hansen Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

Jug Twitty:

She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.


The Lineup - December 2, 2007

TITO LACLE, ARUBAN JOURNALIST: As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigaor, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30

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« Reply #530 on: May 03, 2010, 10:44:09 PM »

In theory ... in principle ... Dave Holloway and Private Eye are on the same page.

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  The prosecutor questioned why Beth did not come to her first with the information that was shown on the tapes, as well as the statement of Natalee's acquaintance who saw her leaving Carlos' n Charlie's on the night she disappeared.  I cannot question Beth's motives.  We are all unsure of whom to trust.

Looking back on everything that has transpired, I wonder what difference it would have made to reveal the information on the tapes to the prosecutor first.  Without the world knowing about them before the Aruban invetigators, they would have probably been sent off to Holland and never heard about again.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »


If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM »
 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

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« Reply #531 on: May 03, 2010, 10:58:49 PM »

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

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  In an effort to publicly express my opinion against a boycott, Vinda arranged for me to have an interview with the media.  I agreed to do it in the the hopes that it would be a good way to show solidarity with the Aruban government.

Page 157:  On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban governement hired him mainly for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business and political leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.  He said he was hoping that I would be working with everyone rather than promoting a boycott.  I giave him some of the information that I had brought along with me, and he was numbed by it.  It involved tips that I had received on my Web site.


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« Reply #532 on: May 05, 2010, 06:10:04 PM »

Remind me to check after 5/6 to see if there are any new documents posted 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (TRIAL DATE OF 5-17-10 TO BECONTINUED)

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
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« Reply #533 on: May 05, 2010, 06:50:18 PM »

This is from March but I don't remember seeing it.  TM may have posted it but I missed it 

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/peters-dagboek/de-politie-als-blunderende-amateurs/



Klaas ... on March 18th ... Rob had it figured out.

However ... I did not.  It was something akin to looking into the sky at a cloud.  If I thought "skeleton" ... I saw a skeleton.  If I thought "rock formation" .... I saw a rock formation.

Nevertheless ... considering Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the contents of the trap/cage ... I was convinced if the image was a skeleton ... it was not the remains of Natalee Holloway.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #831 3/13/10
« Reply #290 on: March 18, 2010, 05:17:02 PM »


I KNOW that no one is gonna believe me - but I messed around with that pic.. and believe it or not - it's really a pile of rocks. I know I know... how could I say that - well, I did everything I could with it, and it is a pile of rocks.

There is a rock that looks like a skull - but it's not. Sorry... and there is a rock that seems to have what look like "fingers" - but that is really just depressions in the rock... The rock that looks like a skull - could be a dead brain coral - or just a rock. It does look like a skull, but it's really a dead brain coral or a rock.

I wish this was more than an underwater camera and rocks that look like something - meaning - our Girl - Natalee. Ohhh how I wish, but it's not Natalee or anyone else. It's just a pile of rocks captured from an angle that makes it look like something more than it is.

I didn't capture all the shots cause it will just lead to a huge discussion about what everyone sees and there will be sooooo many varying points of what is seen - it just wasn't worth it. I have been here long enough to know what those screen captures would lead to - however, if you want to see a pile of rocks in differing shades, and textures - I'm sure that you can click "save as" and then "monkey" as I did... and you will also see it's a pile of rocks... sooo sorry to say. And especially since the "finger" area looked promising. But it was just depressions in a rock.

Just for the record - I feel confidant in what I saw - and it's not Natalee - nor a body.. but I COULD see how that could be discerned.

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« Reply #534 on: May 06, 2010, 08:46:18 PM »

FLASHBACK

Wrongful Death, Defamation Lawsuits Filed in Natalee Holloway Case; Dr. Phil Named As Defendant

Friday, December 15, 2006


Two lawsuits have been filed in the case of a college student who vanished in Aruba nearly two years ago, FOX News has learned.

A wrongful death lawsuit has been filed against brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, two of the young men last seen with Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba in May 2005.

The suit of Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court as a related case to a defamation lawsuit the Kalpoe brothers filed Wednesday against pop psychologist and talk show host Dr. Phil, CBS and Paramount, among others.

"All we want is justice for our daughter," Twitty said in a press release issued about the civil case. "There is no doubt in my mind that Deepak and Satish played a role in my daughter's death and should be held accountable. It's unconscionable that they have not been punished so far."

Allegations against the Kalpoes, who are residents of the Caribbean island where the 18-year-old Holloway was traveling on a class trip when she vanished without a trace, say the brothers caused her death by "intentionally, negligently, wantonly ... unlawfully conducting themselves," bringing about injuries that proved fatal.

The Kalpoes' suit against Dr. Phil, whose real name is Phillip C. McGraw, maintains that an interview filmed with the brothers "was manipulated and later broadcast by the 'Dr. Phil' show as being accurate and which portrays Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe 'as engaging in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway and constitutes defamation per se.'"

Holloway was last seen alive with the Kalpoes and a Dutch teen, Joran van der Sloot, in a gray Honda early on the morning of May 30, 2005. The brothers and van der Sloot have all been arrested in connection with her murder — the Kalpoes on two different occasions — and later released, but none have been brought to trial.

Holloway's body has never been found and the highly publicized case — which drew swarms of reporters to Aruba for months during the summer of 2005 — has never been solved, despite numerous leads and extensive searches of various corners of the island.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,236558,00.html
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« Reply #535 on: May 07, 2010, 05:33:17 PM »

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

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« Reply #536 on: May 07, 2010, 05:40:45 PM »

Does the above ruling imply that the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording was deceptively manipulated to imply that Deepak Kalpoe confessed to wrongdoing?

The entire transcript is an interesting read.  I concede I had difficulty in comprehending the wording and assistance in interpreting was required.

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« Reply #537 on: May 07, 2010, 09:52:40 PM »

No docs yet in the K2/Dr. Phil case however looks like someone neglected to appear?

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/26/2010 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)



So hopefully over the weekend or by Monday there will be an official recording of what happened or didn't happen on 5/6/2010.
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« Reply #538 on: May 08, 2010, 07:17:13 PM »

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

01/27/2011 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 2-7-2011)

02/07/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (-Final Status Conference-OSC RE: Re Sanctions for Failureof Plntf/Deft Counsel to Appear @FSC)



No new documents YET but I suspect by Monday there will be. 
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« Reply #539 on: May 11, 2010, 01:06:57 PM »

In the K2 vs Dr. Phil case, there are a couple of Minute Order docs.  I'll be posting as soon as I get them ready.  They will be posted in within the next 30 min.

The first minute order was about all parties missing the 5/6/2010 hearing date.

The second minute order is to explain that the 5/6/2010 date was a clerical error and then it goes on to set the future dates:








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