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« Reply #640 on: October 12, 2010, 10:12:33 PM »

THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Beth Holloway

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html

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« Reply #641 on: October 12, 2010, 10:14:20 PM »

As a Vehicle

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Rob - that's exactly right.  I'm on Natalee's side and I know Beth is on Natalee's side.  I'm proud that Beth was brave enough to face that monster in jail.  I know Peter is in it for the $$ and publicity just like Greta and the rest of them are.  It doesn't bother me that she used Peter as a vehicle to face him.

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« Reply #642 on: October 13, 2010, 02:50:44 PM »

Food for Thought


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I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973

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« Reply #643 on: October 14, 2010, 08:02:34 PM »

A BOB LAW

Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/
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« Reply #644 on: October 15, 2010, 11:15:43 AM »

WIRETAPS?

Mystery in the Tropics
A Judge Released Two of Three Suspects in Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Nov. 30, 2007


Without confirming the type of new evidence, Hans Mos, one of the prosecutors, said it is compelling. "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now, they would not have been released by the court at that time."

The defense attorneys, David Kock and Ronald Wis, said the new evidence is based on wiretaps.

Prosecutor Dop Kruimel told The Associated Press that they were looking into phone calls but would not say whether they were the basis for the new round of arrests.

"It's part of the investigation," he said. "We do everything we can to see what happened."

Former Aruban prosecutor Helen Lejuez believes if the wiretap report is true, the suspects may have assumed they were no longer being wiretapped.

"It's a long time ago, and people get relaxed and maybe start talking — things they haven't said before, and prosecutors and police are sharp listeners," said Lejuez, who is now an attorney working for the Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

Meanwhile, prosecutors now insist they can prove that Holloway is dead.

"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead. … I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos told CNN.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3912940&page=1

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« Reply #645 on: October 15, 2010, 01:53:59 PM »

THE NOVEMBER, 2007 REARRESTS

On November 27, 2007 private eye was sketical but ... I was a believer ... a believer in the words of Hans Mos.  I consider him a knight in shining armour in the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway.

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... I believe that the significant portions of the new evidence could well be old evidence that was never presented to the courts, such as the June 10 break down of Joran, or the tape recording of the boys in the patrol car. I think there may well be other new evidence, but I always felt that they had all of the evidence they needed to convict the boys as of June 10, 2005. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2393.msg306707;topicseen#msg306707


HANS MOS

ABC News - November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


CNN News - November 29, 2007

A lawyer for Beth Holloway contacted prosecutor Hans Mos last week after suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

"There's no doubt in my mind that [Natalee Holloway] is dead. ... I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body," Mos said last week.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/29/aruba.holloway/index.html


CNN - November 30, 2007

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


CBS News - November 30, 2007

On Friday a judge ruled the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding the Kalpoes, and ordered them released.

Aruba chief prosecutor Hans Mos called the decision a setback, but said the investigation will proceed.

"We had hoped for a longer period to confront these suspects with the material we have against them," he said. "We were not finished with that yet. But this is the way the law says it has to go."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/30/world/main3559649.shtml


RONALD WIX

CBS News - December 20, 2007


Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/20/world/main3636049.shtml


JOE TACOPINA

The Lineup - December 2, 2007


JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY:  There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence.


JOHN Q. KELLY

On the Record w/ Greta - December 4, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta - December 3, 2008

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: If you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


BETH HOLLOWAY

The search for Natalee Holloway
By Chris Hansen Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

Jug Twitty:

She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.


The Lineup - December 2, 2007

TITO LACLE, ARUBAN JOURNALIST: As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigaor, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30


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« Reply #646 on: October 15, 2010, 02:05:59 PM »

Apparently the family's attorney and the mother of the victim were for once in agreement with the suspects' attorneys and the judge ... there was not enough evidence to hold the three main suspects.

This is huge when you consider that Beth Holloway is no fan of Judge Smid.

Inquiring minds would like to know what were the real reasons behind the November, 2007 detentions by this new prosecutor from the Netherlands.

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Dec. 20, 2007
Holloway Suspect Talked Online About Death


Aruba Prosecutor Says Cell Phone Calls And Text Messages Had Spurred Recent Re-Arrests

But Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix told The Associated Press, adding that his clients felt vindicated by the prosecutor's decision to drop the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/20/world/main3636049.shtml


Joe Tacopina
The Lineup - December 2, 2007

 
TACOPINA:  There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence.


John Q. Kelly

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  ... I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
Wednesday, December 03, 2008

 
Now the Holloway family lawyer John Q. Kelly wants action. In a letter to Aruban Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos, Kelly calls for the arrest of Joran van der Sloot. Joran's father Paulus and the Kalpoe brothers are also included ...

VAN SUSTEREN: It's your letter. What do you want from Hans Mos, and what have you heard from him?

KELLY: Nothing but deafening silence out of Aruba. No, I haven't heard from him.

The point of the letter was, and if you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

And now they have new evidence. You have a damning confession by Joran as to serious criminal conduct he engaged in, implicates others. And they haven't done anything with it. And everything Joran has said is consistent with the facts as we know them right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


Beth Holloway

The search for Natalee Holloway
By Chris Hansen Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008


The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/


Jug Twitty

The Dana Pretzer Show - December 21, 2007

 
Jug Twitty: She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.


The Interrogation

The Lineup - December 2, 2007

Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.
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« Reply #647 on: October 15, 2010, 11:45:27 PM »

CATCH AND RELEASE

In November, 2007, ten Aruban attorneys concluded that the Aruban prosecutor had sufficient evidence to rearrest Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing.

However, less that one month later all three suspects were released.  A judge deemed that evidence did not justify the rearrest.
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Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

 
Mystery in the Tropics
A Judge Released Two of Three Suspects in Disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Nov. 30, 2007


Without confirming the type of new evidence, Hans Mos, one of the prosecutors, said it is compelling. "We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now, they would not have been released by the court at that time."

The defense attorneys, David Kock and Ronald Wis, said the new evidence is based on wiretaps.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3912940&page=1


ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Attorney disputes chat log as evidence
Published December 22, 2007

 
A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix. A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/22/Worldandnation/Halts_plan_to_kill_hu.shtml
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« Reply #648 on: October 16, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »

A CONNECTION?

The November, 2007 Arrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish

Holloway Attorney: 'Extraordinarily Painful'
Tuesday, December 04, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him (Hans Mo) Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY:  I can say it with 99 percent.  I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made.  And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Holloway Attorney: Pleas for Arrest Met With 'Deafening Silence'
Wednesday, December 03, 2008


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: If you remember last year, Greta, with great fanfare and press releases, and, you know, just all kinds of dog and pony show, they arrested the Kalpoe brothers and Joran for absolutely no reason, no new evidence. Just picked them up and held them for a month.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460908,00.html


The Range Rover "Secret" Taping

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER:  Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

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« Reply #649 on: October 16, 2010, 12:14:16 AM »

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« Reply #650 on: October 16, 2010, 06:52:31 PM »

In the Range Rover Confession ... Joran "confessed" that he could not be sure that Natalee Holloway was deceased when she was taken out to sea and dumped overboard.  Is that not a serious crime under Dutch law.

 

 
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No custody for Van der Sloot
02/15/2008


The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision. The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect.

The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues


On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

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Holloway Case Conviction No Slam Dunk
Under Aruban Law, Suspect's Own Words Can't Be Used Against Him
By JEFFREY KOFMAN
Feb. 4, 2008


It will be difficult under Aruban law for prosecutors to build a case against Joran Van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case, according to Nico Jörg, Aruba's advocate general, and acting attorney general.

In an interview with ABC News, Jörg outlined several possible options for prosecuting the young Dutch/Aruban man, a suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama teen, who went to the island on holiday more than two years ago.

Jörg emphasized that there are fundamental differences between the laws of the United States and laws in Aruba. For example, there is no trial by jury in this tiny island nation of just 103,000 citizens. All trials are by judge only. A suspect's own words can't be used to implicate him or her, and there is no such thing as perjury for a suspect in Aruba.

The acting attorney general said prosecutors will look at the following possible charges:

AIDING AND ABETTING FIRST DEGREE MURDER — Possible sentence: Life in prison. This would require prosecutors to prove "conditional intent" on the part of Van der Sloot. In the undercover videotape obtained by a Dutch journalist, Van der Sloot says he can't say for sure that Holloway was actually dead when he called a friend to help him dispose of her body, after she passed out on the beach and began shaking uncontrollably. Jörg told ABC News that to prove this charge, prosecutors would need medical experts to talk about the effects of alcohol poisoning on a body.

INJURY TO HEALTH CAUSING DEATH — Possible sentence: 6 to 9 years. Prosecutors would want to prove that Van der Sloot knowingly gave Holloway too much alcohol. In previous statements, he has admitted giving her a drink of Bacardi 151, which is 75 percent alcohol.

ACCIDENTAL DEATH — Possible sentence: 9 months. Prosecutors would have to demonstrate that Van der Sloot did not take reasonable precautions when he noticed Holloway was unconscious.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=4240906&page=1


ILLEGAL DISPOSAL OF A CORPSE — Possible sentence: 6 months. On the undercover tape, Van der Sloot says he called his friend, and asked him to bring his boat to the beach so that Holloway's body could be thrown deep in the ocean.

MISDEMEANOR CHARGE FOR NOT GIVING HELP TO SOMEONE IN NEED — Possible sentence: 6 months.

All of these charges require that prosecutors have independent evidence placing Van der Sloot with Holloway at the time of her death.

Jörg notes that, even if Van der Sloot is convicted of one of the lesser crimes listed above, the months he has already spent in prison would be deducted from any future conviction.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=4240906&page=2
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« Reply #651 on: October 16, 2010, 07:10:31 PM »

Following Joran's release from detention in December 2007 ...

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Holloway Case Suspect Regrets No Trial
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands Dec 23, 2007 (AP)


A former suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway told a Dutch newspaper he regretted that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime.

Joran van der Sloot, 20, was re-arrested in Aruba in November for a new interrogation about Holloway's disappearance in 2005. But public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute van der Sloot or two other former suspects.

"I would have liked to have seen a trial so that everything could be out in the open," van der Sloot told newspaper DAG in his first public remarks since being released on Dec. 7. The newspaper published excerpts from the interview Sunday. DAG spokesman Bob Witman said the interview was conducted via e-mail with van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.

All three suspects denied any involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot, who is Dutch, denied there was any new evidence to prompt his arrest again last month, as prosecutors had asserted.

"There was no new evidence at all," he told the paper. "Dutch detectives tried to get me to talk for 15 days. They told me that Natalee was dead."

Prosecutors say their new evidence was a statement by one of the suspects during a tapped Internet chat in which he said Holloway was dead. But defense lawyers denied that.

Van der Sloot said he believed his latest arrest was intended to please American media.

"I've been declared guilty without any factual evidence and I'm left to prove my innocence," he told the paper.

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« Reply #652 on: October 16, 2010, 07:16:12 PM »

According to Nico Jörg ... Aruba's acting Attorney General ... it appears that Joran van der Sloot can confess to being a participant in the death of Natalee Holloway ... in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but ... under Dutch law ... if there is no collaborating evidence ... he walks.  In other words ... justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family will remain forever ellusive.

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Holloway Case Conviction No Slam Dunk
Under Aruban Law, Suspect's Own Words Can't Be Used Against Him
By JEFFREY KOFMAN
Feb. 4, 2008


It will be difficult under Aruban law for prosecutors to build a case against Joran Van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case, according to Nico Jörg, Aruba's advocate general, and acting attorney general.

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Jörg emphasized that there are fundamental differences between the laws of the United States and laws in Aruba. For example, there is no trial by jury in this tiny island nation of just 103,000 citizens. All trials are by judge only. A suspect's own words can't be used to implicate him or her, and there is no such thing as perjury for a suspect in Aruba.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=4240906&page=1

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« Reply #653 on: October 16, 2010, 07:22:40 PM »

Following the ruling not to detain Joran van der Sloot in regards to his own words in the Range Rover tapes ... own words that concede that a live Natalee could have been thrown into the ocean ....

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Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


HOLLY HUGHES, HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial.

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« Reply #654 on: October 18, 2010, 08:01:40 PM »

My position from the getgo was that the Range Rover recording was staged and ... that position has not wavered.  It appears that San and Tamikosmom  were on the same page in February, 2008.

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« Reply #305 on: February 26, 2008, 03:47:50 AM »


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disregards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... the Kalpoes who have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... those who have the ability to implicate Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg355655#msg355655


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I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.

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« Reply #1751 on: August 09, 2009, 09:10:01 PM »


I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg905621#msg905621


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« Reply #1753 on: August 09, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »


I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

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« Reply #655 on: October 20, 2010, 07:18:44 PM »

From the getgo I have contended that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this huge lawsuit UNLESS assurance has been provided that the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated.  Think about it.  Common sense implies that it would only require a comparison of the disputed segment and Jamie Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth?

Could it be that assurance from the NFI was given to the ATA/AHATA that a manipulation of the Dr. Phil did occur and ... full advantage was taken?  In other words ... the ATA/AHATA are the financial backers?

According to John Q. Kelly ... early on the court was made aware that the Kalpoes' attorneys had no intentions of releasing case documents.  Therefore ... it appears that the expectation was that the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil tape would stand alone if necessary.  In other words ... an analysis of the  disputed segment would require no case documents.

Could it be that ... not anticipating a legal challenge ... for ratings ... the Dr. Phil tape was manipulated to imply that Deepak stated that a sexual assault against Natalee occured?  However ... now that a legal challenge has happened the McGraw attorneys are attempting to prove that no defamaton occurred because of the manipulation and .. therefore case documents are required which would backup the defence.

Somehow I believe IF a deceptive manipulation of Deepak's words did occur ... words which were heard by all of Dr. Phil's viewing audience ... there would be legal grounds for a lawsuit whether defamation is proved or not.

There is no doubt in my mind that a sexual assault occurred against the person of Natalee Holloway but ... I am skeptical whether Deepak revealed this in the Skeeters interview.  Thank about it.  Almost four years later and ... despite the refusal of the Kalpoes' attorney to comply with court requests time and time again ... the Kalpoes' defamation case has not been thrown out.  Why?

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NFI Investigation

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


No Dismissal?

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press
Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom. ...

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline. ....
 
The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


A Signed Declaration

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over. ....

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« Reply #656 on: October 20, 2010, 08:59:53 PM »

IF the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated ... IF the judge allows the Dr. Phil tape to stand alone without backup case documents ... could it be there will be a negotiated settlement.

Think about it.  The trial date has been set yet there is no backing down by the Kalpoes' attorneys.  From the getgo ... there appeared to be confidence in a knowledge that Deepak's words were deceptively manipulated in the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording.

IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... Phil McGraw is going to go down.  He will be exposed as a fraud who will do anything for ratings.  IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... it will be revealed that Phil McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate an Aruban challenge when that tape was deceptively manipulated.
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« Reply #657 on: October 20, 2010, 09:25:02 PM »

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


He usually focuses on relationship problems, but even Dr. Phil couldn't resist joining the media circus surrounding the Natalie Holloway case. And now it may cost him.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, teenage brothers who were once considered prime suspects in the 18-year-old's May 30, 2005, disappearance while vacationing in Aruba, is suing the Dr. Phil show, claiming they were defamed on national TV.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

The episode in question aired Sept. 15, 2005, on the nationally syndicated show, days after the brothers were released from custody by Aruban police. Holloway was last seen getting in a car with the siblings and Dutch teen Joran Van Der Sloot, but authorities said they lacked sufficient evidence to hold the teens, in part because investigators could not determine whether Holloway was dead or alive since her body had yet to be found.

The complaint states that Skeeter secretly videotaped an interview with Deepak Kalpoe and then aired the illicit recording on Dr. Phil—after cutting it in such a way as to "create false, incriminating and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

Per court documents, McGraw & Co. specifically implied that the siblings slipped Holloway a date-rape drug, forced her to have nonconsensual sex and then supposedly aided in killing her and hiding the body, allegations which the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot have denied.

But Paramount disputes the charge. "Deepak Kalpoe’s statements, which aired on the Dr. Phil show, were his own words presented in a manner that the show believed accurately reflected the sum and substance of what he said in a recorded interview with Jamie Skeeters in Aruba."

The suit claims Deepak Kalpoe agreed to the sit-down with the P.I. in the assumption that Skeeter might help clear him and his brother. Skeeter allegedly told Kalpoe that the gruff McGraw was a "god" who could "influence a country" and help their case.

After months of searching for the missing young woman, Aruban investigators shifted their probe away from the brothers and Van Der Sloot to pursue other leads. The case remains unsolved.

A lawyer for the Kalpoes could not be reached for comment Friday. Their suit seeks unspecified general, special and punitive damages.

In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Shortly after the Kalpoes took legal action against Dr. Phil, Holloway's parents fired back.

Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway filed a civil wrongful-death suit against the teens Thursday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accusing them of causing their daughter's death by "intentionally, negligently, wantonly...unlawfully conducting themselves" in a way that brought about fatal injuries.

"All we want is justice for our daughter. There is no doubt in my mind that Deepak and Satish played a role in my daughter's death and should be held accountable," Beth Twitty said. "It is unconscionable that they have not been punished so far."

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

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https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

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« Reply #659 on: October 21, 2010, 03:08:23 PM »

A Negotiated Settlement?

IF it is revealed that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated for ratings ... could it be that the Kalpoes' lawsuit will never be heard by a judge in a trial?  Could it be that a negotiated out-of-court settlement will be reached?

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1.  Why after almost four years of the Kalpoes' attorneys failing to comply to the court's request to produce case documents has the judge not complied with the motion put forward by the attorneys of Phil McGraw to dismiss the defamation lawsuit?

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


2.  Why has the judge set a trial date when he is aware that Phil McGraw's attorneys do not have requested case documents required for the defence of the defamation lawsuit?

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling.

"There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


3.  Could it be that the Kalpoes' lawsuit now involves only ONE issue ... the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording?.  Was this segment deceptively manipulated?  Yes?  No?  In other words ... no proof of defamation through case documents is required.

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


4.  Could it be that that "the most fundamental issues" that the judge was referring have been dropped ... "the most fundamental issues" which require case documents for a defence?

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206
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