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« Reply #400 on: February 18, 2009, 09:58:59 PM »

So who would like to talk about Justice for Natalee?

Snoopy, I really would for a change like to discuss Justice for Natalee.  In light of all the drive-bys today I am beginning to think THEY are running this thread.  Not a good sign for Natalee and her family.
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« Reply #401 on: February 18, 2009, 10:00:43 PM »

Don't sell yourself short there CBB.  You're wonderful.  Oh and just a few Advil would work for me. lol
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« Reply #402 on: February 18, 2009, 10:01:27 PM »

Sorry I jumped in while real work was going on...Just felt I had a calling to speak for ROBOTS.. (yea, right, like anyone could speak for ROBOTS - NOT).
What is with that group? It is so obvious that they drive by only to distract and cause hate and contempt.
Whenever their goal is, it doesn't appear that it will promote Justice for Natalee...mhoo..

Me thinks they would like to shut down our discussions altogether.  Heck, let's discuss the Persistence now, O.K.?
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« Reply #403 on: February 18, 2009, 10:02:50 PM »

I just wish I had more to offer.  I don't have great computer skills nor much time anymore to search for things.  But I care.  And I'll stay here until Justice comes.

Anna said it so well today when she said we are known by the company we keep.  That's so true.  That's why I chose Scared Monkeys.  I don't care for gossip.  Never been much of a joiner or cared about clicks.  Guess I never needed it to feel good about myself or important.  It aggravates me to no end when people don't read everything and then repeat it out of context.  Or when people don't answer questions posed to them.

I wonder if Silvetti isn't finished mapping the ocean floor surrounding Aruba.  It's a shame when we have to be skeptical of people and their motives.

I wouldn't have cared if we were told up front that the Persistence search was two-fold.  But to solicit donations is appalling.  And to withold information from the family is unforgivable.

Well I think I'm rambling now so guess I better get back to my paper work. Or I guess I could take up knitting.  I'd be in good company at least. lol

Snoopy your support is everything.  I don't have great skills either but continuing to support the family and finding justice is what it is all about. 
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« Reply #404 on: February 18, 2009, 10:03:26 PM »

Don't sell yourself short there CBB.  You're wonderful.  Oh and just a few Advil would work for me. lol





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« Reply #405 on: February 18, 2009, 10:04:35 PM »

Has it been verified that the Persistence IS going back to Aruba and that Dave is investing $5million to the venture?  The first time it cost over $1million, why is it an even bigger amount now.

I hope this is not a "shake-down" from Aruba to Natalee's family with love. JMO
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« Reply #406 on: February 18, 2009, 10:06:24 PM »

Has it been verified that the Persistence IS going back to Aruba and that Dave is investing $5million to the venture?  The first time it cost over $1million, why is it an even bigger amount now.

I hope this is not a "shake-down" from Aruba to Natalee's family with love. JMO

There was an article posted in a Dutch site that claims there will be a new search.  Whether it includes the Persistence and who is paying I'm not sure of.  I'm also not sure if it's true.
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« Reply #407 on: February 18, 2009, 10:06:45 PM »

Sorry I jumped in while real work was going on...Just felt I had a calling to speak for ROBOTS.. (yea, right, like anyone could speak for ROBOTS - NOT).
What is with that group? It is so obvious that they drive by only to distract and cause hate and contempt.
Whenever their goal is, it doesn't appear that it will promote Justice for Natalee...mhoo..

Hi billb!  I agree, their actions/distractions are in no way to help find Justice for Natalee; and they know it.


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #408 on: February 18, 2009, 10:07:58 PM »

I am puzzled by Dave's descision about the search, but I will support him to the end. 

JMHO but I think Aruba already has Natalee's remains.

I wonder if Silvetti is offering to do this search to save face?  Little late for that if you ask me.  JMO
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« Reply #409 on: February 18, 2009, 10:09:26 PM »

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.
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« Reply #410 on: February 18, 2009, 10:11:05 PM »

Hi Janet.....I see You in the Rafters.......Hope You had a Good Day! 

Thank you hotping.

I did have a very good day.

Janet
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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« Reply #411 on: February 18, 2009, 10:11:17 PM »

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WASHINGTON —  Federal regulators on Tuesday charged Texas financier R. Allen Stanford and three of his firms with a "massive" fraud that centered around high-interest-rate certificates of deposit, and raided some of the companies' offices.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494664,00.html

this Allan Stanford financial scandal has an Aruba connection:

STANFORD GROUP ARUBA N.V.
Marisol Building, 2nd Floor
L.G. Smith Boulevard 60
Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch West Indies
297.583.1033

http://www.conasev.gob.pe/emisoras/Ficha_empresa.asp?p_codigo=115021

Dutch media is reporting about this Aruban/Dutch connection.
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De Texaan – wereldwijd een grote sponsor van tennis, cricket, golf en polo – was ook actief op Aruba, het oudste Caribische belastingparadijs. Uit gegevens van de lokale Kamer van Koophandel blijkt dat de Stanford Financial Group sinds 1989 in Oranjestad een vestiging heeft. Directeur daar is de Nederlander Frans Vingerhoedt, die al heel lang bij de Texaan werkt en onder meer betrokken is bij de tennissponsoring door het bedrijf.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/article1151092.ece/Kleine_Madoff_was_held_in_het_Caribisch_gebied


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Dutton Peabody said:
Feb. 14, 7:18 PM
When you search "stanfordInvestmentbank.com" at the Internet Archive (aka Wayback) it loads older pages.

Interesting that the President of the Bank has changed (2004)
Frans P. Vingerhoedt was with Stanford in Guardian Investment Days. His current Linked in page places him at Bank of Antigua (which is another Stanford tentacle, according to press reports).

Frans P. Vingerhoedt assumed his position as President of the bank in December 1997. Mr. Vingerhoedt previously served as President of Stanford Group Aruba NV and Stanford Trust Company, Ltd., affiliated companies of SIB. He received a Master's degree from the State University of Antwerp in 1978.

The other name in older press was:
Harry van Bergen joined Stanford International Bank as Director of Operations in March 1998. He previously served as Managing Director of a consulting firm, Cumaco N.V. Prior to that, Mr. van Bergen was employed for nearly 15 years in various management positions with ABN AMRO Bank N.V. He received a Master's degree in law from the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands.


No one has commented that the website and pdf are inconsistent on the very important Compliance position. Website gives two lower functionaries, and older Annual reports has a single VP for compliance Pedro E. Rodriguez

Pedro E. Rodriguez graduated from the Interamerican University of Puerto Rico in 1983 with a degree in finance and accounting, holds a diploma in auditing from the BAI School of Banking at the University of Wisconsin and is a Certified Regulatory Compliance Manager (CRCM) (http://www.aba.com/ICBCertifications/CRCM.htm).
Rodriguez has been in banking since 1972 and has held the positions of Vice President, Compliance and Compliance Officer/Internal Auditor with Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, Chase Manhattan Bank and Banco Santander in Puerto Rico. He also served as Internal Auditor and Compliance Officer at Bancaracas International Banking Corporation.
http://www.businessinsider.com/regulators-examining-stanford-group-for-possible-fraud-2009-2
maye this is something of interest to look into.



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The SEC's fraud charges may be the least of accused financial scammer R. Allen Stanford's worries. Federal authorities tell ABC News that the FBI and others have been investigating whether Stanford was involved in laundering drug money for Mexico's notorious Gulf Cartel.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6907429


Awemainta 20 Feb.

just putting it out here. maybe someone makes connections if there are any.
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« Reply #412 on: February 18, 2009, 10:11:21 PM »

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.

Snoopy - all I know is there is an article posted in a Dutch newspaper.  It was posted and translated at BFN.  Debbie at BFN is acting like Dave Holloway did do the interview.  That's about all I know.  I find it very hard to believe.
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« Reply #413 on: February 18, 2009, 10:12:00 PM »

I am puzzled by Dave's descision about the search, but I will support him to the end. 

JMHO but I think Aruba already has Natalee's remains.

I wonder if Silvetti is offering to do this search to save face?  Little late for that if you ask me.  JMO

I agree Snoopy.  Aruba always knew where Natalee's remains are.
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« Reply #414 on: February 18, 2009, 10:13:14 PM »

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.
I don't know if the new search is for real or not.....I have seen nothing other than that one article about it......Just like that Article not to long ago about Beth and Greta being in Aruba and it turned out not  to be true.....
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« Reply #415 on: February 18, 2009, 10:14:19 PM »

PART 2

Michael Posner's contributions to Aruba according to the newspaper
Aruba Today


Aruba Today- October 24th 2005
Michael Posner Contributes

There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to
Aruba's product with great success.

American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to
purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink
of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible
condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's
product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has
over 140 employees, with all management positi ons filled by Ar ubans, and pays
millions of dollars in taxes each year

Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for
the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million
USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's
tourist industry.

Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered
at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel
into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all
management level employment dedicated to Arubans

He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the
Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000

Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going
so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mot h er as part
of the "Make a wish Foundation".

Aruba also thanks Posner for o p ening doors to potential new guest by making
travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba.
Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually

Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction
of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador".

Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly
appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is
also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one
else would and developing them into successful entities.

525 on: March 31, 2008, 07:00:13 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg369659

THE BANK OF NOVA SCOTIA FINANCING PROJECTS with the Marriott
was this where Posner got his money to redo both of his casinos ?????????
Remember, he's a felon, just out of prison and buys a casino and  refurbishes it.


MIGA has provided a $1.6 million guarantee to Marriott International, Inc. (Marriott), to cover its $1.8 million management agreement with, and $1.4 million loan guaranty to Caribe Hospitality De Costa Rica, S.A. (CHDCR) of Costa Rica. MIGA has also issued a $4.4 million guarantee to Bank of Nova Scotia (Scotiabank) for its $4.8 million non-shareholder loan to CHDCR. The guarantee to Marriott is for three years, and is against transfer restriction; the one for Scotiabank is for 11 years and is against the risks of transfer restriction, expropriation and war and civil disturbance.
http://www.miga.org/regions/index_sv.cfm?stid=1531&country_id=4 9

in order to have money laundering you have to have people there so the
dirty money can be cleansed


SOME FACTS ABOUT MONEY-LAUNDERING

An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back:
now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings.
www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1017_e.php

Placement: Requires physically moving and placing the funds into financial institutions or
the retail economy. Depositing structured amounts of cash into the banking sector, and
smuggling currency across international borders for further deposit, are common methods
for Placement.
Layering: Once the illicit funds have entered the financial system, multiple and sometimes
complex financial transactions are conducted to further conceal their illegal nature, and to
make it difficult to identify the source of the funds or eliminate an audit trail. Purchasing
monetary instruments (traveler’s checks, banks drafts, money orders, letters of credit,
securities, bonds, etc.) with other monetary instruments, transferring funds between
accounts, and using wire transfers facilitate Layering.
Integration: The illicit funds re-enter the economy disguised as legitimate business
earnings (securities, businesses, real estate). Unnecessary loans may be obtained to
disguise illicit funds as the proceeds of business loans
http://www.bankersonline.com/security/sar/violationreview.html

In an attempt to put that in everyday layman's terms


Paulus went to the Caribbean Mercantile Bank on Monday two times, deposited
money the second time that it is still unexplained where it came from
Paulus has MONEY and he needs to get rid of it - OFF TO THE BANK TO
GET IT LAUNDERED! Once that money is deposited, it will go undetected as
it makes its way into the next hand - maybe Mary Mary Quite Aruban, who needs
to have change for her daily T-shirt business to the Tourists down by the dock
when the ship rolls in. Then Mister and Mrs. taking a Caribbean cruise for the
first time in their lives buys a T-shirt that says I love Aruba and they go to dine at
Carlos n' Charlies for lunch and head back to the ship by sunset and take pictures
and now they have dirty laundered cash in their hands. When they reach the next
morning's port, they go to the exchange booth (easy enough to find, I know I have
in (edited) and Mister hands over the dirty money that Paulus deposited
at CMB bank the morning before and that money is now in the hands of the
exchange bank booth. See how easy it is. And if you are looking at 72 million
visitors to Aruba, then you got a lot of washing routes to follow.

AND SOME VERY SUSPICIOUS OCCURRENCES

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital. Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder

Paul Van der Sloot
June 18, 2005 18:30
pages 10 - one attachment
writer: Roland Tromp/Clyde Burke
description: witness statement

Cemetary – Located in Noord at St Ana’s Church. It was vandalized on 1-11-06 with head stones broken & crypts opened

Steve Gregg Croes
January 31, 2006 9:45 page 63

DJOEGAN, Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ - 25 year old bouncer from Choose a Name Bar that was found on 4-5-06 in Guadirikiri cave. His body was mutilated, crucified, and set on fire. Reportedly he died of an overdose of cocaine. It is believed that Pitbull is the brother-in-law of Dompig through Dompig’s first wife

April 9, 2006 Maria Bernadeta Kelly page 64/65
witness statement by a friend of Andre Meneses, first of many statements

May 10, 2006 Andre's Meneses page 65
witness statement

NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE CARIBBEAN MERCANTILE
BANK NV


we know the Caribbean Mercantile Bank NV is a subsidiary of
Maduro and Curiel's bank of Curacao, and it is affiliated somehow with the
Bank of Nova Scotia, of Toronto Canada


Established on Aruba in 1962, Caribbean Mercantile Bank N.V. is a full service
commercial bank as well as a subsidiary of Maduro & Curiel's Bank N.V.
Curaçao, and affiliated with the Bank of Nova Scotia, of Toronto, Canada
www.cmbnv.com/main.html.

We know that in 2005 the Maduro and Curiel's bank had four
subsidiary banks on the island of Aruba

the Caribbean Mercantile Bank, and it appears to have three subsidiaries

Aruba
Caribbean Mercantile Bank NV
Caribbean Mercantile Credit company NV
Caribbean Mercantile Securities
Administration Company NV
http://www.mcb-bank.com/extra_pages/AnnualReport2005.pdf
from page 19 of the 2005 annual report


and we know the subsidiary, the Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV
is affiliated with the Bank of Nova Scotia and it does financing

2004-Caribbean Mercantile Credit Co.NV
made significant inroads and capturing large segments of the car financing market.....
we are the only remaining bank in ; ;Aruba with worldwide credentials through our
international affiliation with the Bank of Nova Scotia and Canada

google entry read
Our subsidiary, Caribbean Mercantile Credit Co.NV
Af filiated with. The Bank of Nova Scotia,. Toronto, Canada
www.cmbnv.com/pics/arg/2004/CMBAnnRep2004.pdf
page 6/30

2004 THE BANK SHOW

IN 2004, THE CARIBBEAN MERCANTILE CREDIT COMPANY NV SHOWED

reflected by an increase of more than 33 million in loans, achieved primarily
through spear-heading consortium financing for major projects on the island and
consortium breaking all previous records in consumer financing.

increasing our deposits by over 14 million. These deposits not only back the loans
we have granted

We show a considerable overall growth of greater than 16 million in total assets

???????? question???- is the above talking about the Caribbean Mercantile Bank or the
Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company Bank ??

our subsidiary, Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV continued
to create special events to attract new customers and maintain existing ones, and
consequently mad e signifi cant inroads in capturing large segments of the car financing market.
Trendsetting events like the CMCC a SPl it! Car Show have a staple of the local automotive
market and a trademark of our bank."

Besides bringing us closer to our partners on the Windward and Leeward Islands, our
new logo is an asset that reminds us that we are the only remaining bank in
Aruba with worldwide credentials through our international affiliation with the
Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada.
www.cmbnv.com/pics/arg/2004/CMBAnnRep2004.pdf

page 6/30

WE KNOW WE HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE CARIBBEAN MERCANTILE CREDIT COMPANY AND A CHINESE COMPANY WITH PUTTING ON THE CAR SHOWS


Trendsetting events like the CMCC a SPlit! Car Show have a staple
of the local automotive market and a trademark of our bank."

CMCC a SPlit! Car Show is

China Mobile Communications Corp (CMCC)
Chinese President Hu Jintao attends Ericsson's signing US$1 billion GSM deal
with China Mobile
Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is visiting Sweden, yesterday witnessed a
US$1 billion GSM expansion framework deal signed between Ericsson and
China Mobile. President Hu Jintao was joined at the signing ceremony by Swedish
Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt. Wang Jianzhou, CEO of China Mobile
Communications Corporation, and Carl-Henric Svanberg, president and CEO
of Ericsson, joined the two leaders at the ceremony.
http://www.globalexecutiveforum.net/Wireless.htm

NOW IN ARUBA LOOK AT THIS
24 Augustus, 2006
Bank a bid cu biaha more special!

CMCC TA FREEZE BO PAGO MENSUAL CMCC TA freeze BO
monthly payment s

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Duran te un anochi masha ameno, Sr. Oranjestad
(AAN): During a MASH anochi entertaining, Mr. Javier Wolter, Gerente di
CMB, a yama bon bini na tur agencia di auto y bromer, miembronan di prensa
y demas invitadonan, pa sera conoci cu Caribbean Mercantile Credit
Company NV su facilidadnan nobo, mas espacioso y confortabel pa e
clientenan. Javier Wolter, manager di CMB, yama bon bini na tur
agency di auto and bromine, miembronan di press and other invitadonan,
pa be known cu Caribbean Mercantile Credit Company NV facilidadnan
his nob, more spacious and confortabel pa and clientenan.

Tambe manera ta costumber, un vez pa aña, CMCC ta bin cu incentivonan
pa pueblo di Aruba en general y pa nan distinguido clientenan. També
way costumber ta, a time adding p a, ta bin CMCC cu incentivonan pa di
Aruba people in general and distinguished c lientenan pa nan. Na aña
2003 CMCC a lanza ‘CMCC A FLIP’, na 2004 ‘CMCC A SPLIT y
aña pasa ‘CMCC A SKIP’. Na added in 2003 UNFCCC launches'
CMCC A FLIP ', 2004 na' CMCC A SPLIT passes and added

WE HAVE A CONNECTION BETWEEN ODUBER WANTING
TO BRING THE CHINESE TO ARUBA TO DO BUSINESS


On 4-28-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Aruba Tradewinds Times" reported:


China Wants to Make Aruba Its Gateway to South America
Kang Mei Group Impressed With Aruba, Prime Minister Invited To Visit China.

ORANJESTAD-The Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber has received a formal
invitation to visit the firm Kang Mei International Company based in the city of Chiu
Chih-Huang, China. Kang Mei Group is busy in positioning itself strategically towards
the Latin American market and is interested in Aruba as the Chinese gateway to
South America.


Kang Mei Group visited Aruba in March 2006 and held talks with Greg Peterson
(Director, Aruba Freezone) and the Prime Minister. The group is very impressed
with the island infrastructure and economic performance.

The intention of Kang Mei Group is to organize a trade exhibition in Aruba in
October 2006. The goal of the exhibition is to attract a hundred Chinese companies
to Aruba to showcase their products at the convention center. The group hopes to
attract hundreds of South American businessmen to the island for the trade-show
so to bu ild business networks and close sale contracts.
& lt; BR>Kang Mei Group will open two "Aruba Promotion Offices" in China, one in the
megalopolis of Beijing and the other in Guangzhou (Kanton). The costs of the promotion
offices in China are completely covered by the Chinese. The offices are part of the strategy
to convert Aruba into the Chinese gateway to South America. The purpose of the offices is
to convince Chinese businessmen to participate at the first trade exhibition in Aruba
organized by the group.

Oduber is invited to officially open the promotion offices in China next month. The
representatives of Kang Mei-Group have arranged a large number of meetings for the
Prime Minister with top Chinese officials and business representatives.

The Chinese economy is growing at a very fast pace and the eyes of China are set on
doing business with South America. Oduber will make use of the invitation as a great
opportun ity to build on solid economic ties between China and Aruba. One of the goals
of Oduber is to divers ify Aru ba's tourism sector that is at present very dependent on the U.S.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber will visit China in May with a delegation consisting out
of 3 additional persons that include Augustine Vrolijk (Director Foreign Affairs), Frendsel
Giel (Assistant Managing Director, Aruba Investment Bank) and Greg Peterson
(Director, Freezone Aruba).


On 5-24-06 ARUBAAN's news-sourced "Amigoe.com" reported:

Chinese interest in oil-prospecting near Aruba
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (r) explaining what Aruba has to offer to Chinese investors.

ARUBA – A Chinese oil-refinery has shown interest in exploring and exploiting of oil and
gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) learned
this during his visit to China.
On this trip, Oduber was accompanied by amongst others director of the Foreign
Relations Administration (DBB) Agustin Vrolijk, director of the Free Zone Greg
Peterson, and interim-director Aruban Investment Bank Frendsel Giel. Together with
a representative of China Brazil Development Office, the Aruban delegation visited the
PetroChina Fuel Oil Company that showed interest in exploring and exploiting of oil
and gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. At the end of the visit, a representative
of the Chinese refinery made it clear that the company would like to talk to Aruban
business- and investments experts.
Karel van Oosterom, interim ambassador for the Royal Dutch Kingdom gave a reception
in honour of the Aruban delegation, during which Oduber gave a presentation on “what
the smallest island in the western hemisphere has to offer to the biggest country in the
eastern hemisphere’ to representatives of the Chinese government, Chinese investors,
representatives of countries in the region, and the media in Beijing. The presentation was
in English and an interpreter translated his words for the Chinese listeners.
He talked about the possibilities that Aruba has to offer to investors and products from
China that Aruba can import to the Latin American region, the Caribbean, and North
America via gateway.
There was also another reception in honour of the Aruban delegation given by the
KangMei Group, during which Oduber received a poster with more than 100 good wishes.


And in 2005

THE MADURO AND CURIEL'S BANK HAD THIS IN THEIR ANNUAL REPORT ABOUT THEIR ARUBAN TERRITORY FOR 2005

It is most satisfying that all of our business territories contributed significantly to those results
Aruba was up 15%
http://www.mcb-bank.com/extra_pages/AnnualReport2005.pdf



The totals of loans and advances to customers of Maduro and Curiel's increased by 10.6%
over 2004. this came about as not only the result of the renewed growth of our economies
but also an increase in the market share our banks in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
http://www.mcb-bank.com/extra_pages/AnnualReport2005.pdf
page 15/50

In Aruba, our Caribbean Mercantile Bank collected NAF 12 million in exchange tax,
which it pays to the Central Bank of Aruba for the Aruba government
http://www.mcb-bank.com/extra_pages/AnnualReport2005.pdf
page 16/50

AND IN 2007


From page 11

Basis of consolidation
Subsidiaries are all entities over which the Group has the power to govern the financial and operating
policies. Subsidiaries are fully consolidated from the date on which control is transferred to
the Group until the date that control ceases.
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« Reply #416 on: February 18, 2009, 10:14:50 PM »

Hi Janet.....I see You in the Rafters.......Hope You had a Good Day! 

Thank you hotping.

I did have a very good day.

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« Reply #417 on: February 18, 2009, 10:15:09 PM »

I just wish I had more to offer.  I don't have great computer skills nor much time anymore to search for things.  But I care.  And I'll stay here until Justice comes.

Anna said it so well today when she said we are known by the company we keep.  That's so true.  That's why I chose Scared Monkeys.  I don't care for gossip.  Never been much of a joiner or cared about clicks.  Guess I never needed it to feel good about myself or important.  It aggravates me to no end when people don't read everything and then repeat it out of context.  Or when people don't answer questions posed to them.

I wonder if Silvetti isn't finished mapping the ocean floor surrounding Aruba.  It's a shame when we have to be skeptical of people and their motives.

I wouldn't have cared if we were told up front that the Persistence search was two-fold.  But to solicit donations is appalling.  And to withold information from the family is unforgivable.

Well I think I'm rambling now so guess I better get back to my paper work. Or I guess I could take up knitting.  I'd be in good company at least. lol

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #418 on: February 18, 2009, 10:15:12 PM »

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WASHINGTON —  Federal regulators on Tuesday charged Texas financier R. Allen Stanford and three of his firms with a "massive" fraud that centered around high-interest-rate certificates of deposit, and raided some of the companies' offices.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494664,00.html

this Allan Stanford financial scandal has an Aruba connection:

STANFORD GROUP ARUBA N.V.
Marisol Building, 2nd Floor
L.G. Smith Boulevard 60
Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch West Indies
297.583.1033

http://www.conasev.gob.pe/emisoras/Ficha_empresa.asp?p_codigo=115021

Dutch media is reporting about this Aruban/Dutch connection.
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De Texaan – wereldwijd een grote sponsor van tennis, cricket, golf en polo – was ook actief op Aruba, het oudste Caribische belastingparadijs. Uit gegevens van de lokale Kamer van Koophandel blijkt dat de Stanford Financial Group sinds 1989 in Oranjestad een vestiging heeft. Directeur daar is de Nederlander Frans Vingerhoedt, die al heel lang bij de Texaan werkt en onder meer betrokken is bij de tennissponsoring door het bedrijf.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/article1151092.ece/Kleine_Madoff_was_held_in_het_Caribisch_gebied


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Dutton Peabody said:
Feb. 14, 7:18 PM
When you search "stanfordInvestmentbank.com" at the Internet Archive (aka Wayback) it loads older pages.

Interesting that the President of the Bank has changed (2004)
Frans P. Vingerhoedt was with Stanford in Guardian Investment Days. His current Linked in page places him at Bank of Antigua (which is another Stanford tentacle, according to press reports).

Frans P. Vingerhoedt assumed his position as President of the bank in December 1997. Mr. Vingerhoedt previously served as President of Stanford Group Aruba NV and Stanford Trust Company, Ltd., affiliated companies of SIB. He received a Master's degree from the State University of Antwerp in 1978.

The other name in older press was:
Harry van Bergen joined Stanford International Bank as Director of Operations in March 1998. He previously served as Managing Director of a consulting firm, Cumaco N.V. Prior to that, Mr. van Bergen was employed for nearly 15 years in various management positions with ABN AMRO Bank N.V. He received a Master's degree in law from the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands.


No one has commented that the website and pdf are inconsistent on the very important Compliance position. Website gives two lower functionaries, and older Annual reports has a single VP for compliance Pedro E. Rodriguez

Pedro E. Rodriguez graduated from the Interamerican University of Puerto Rico in 1983 with a degree in finance and accounting, holds a diploma in auditing from the BAI School of Banking at the University of Wisconsin and is a Certified Regulatory Compliance Manager (CRCM) (http://www.aba.com/ICBCertifications/CRCM.htm).
Rodriguez has been in banking since 1972 and has held the positions of Vice President, Compliance and Compliance Officer/Internal Auditor with Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, Chase Manhattan Bank and Banco Santander in Puerto Rico. He also served as Internal Auditor and Compliance Officer at Bancaracas International Banking Corporation.
http://www.businessinsider.com/regulators-examining-stanford-group-for-possible-fraud-2009-2
maye this is something of interest to look into.



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The SEC's fraud charges may be the least of accused financial scammer R. Allen Stanford's worries. Federal authorities tell ABC News that the FBI and others have been investigating whether Stanford was involved in laundering drug money for Mexico's notorious Gulf Cartel.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6907429


Awemainta 20 Feb.

just putting it out here. maybe someone makes connections if there are any.

Caesu, I thought about Silvetti when this was shown on the news.  If it has an Aruban connection then they LOST LOTS of money from this fraud.
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« Reply #419 on: February 18, 2009, 10:16:42 PM »

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.

Snoopy - all I know is there is an article posted in a Dutch newspaper.  It was posted and translated at BFN.  Debbie at BFN is acting like Dave Holloway did do the interview.  That's about all I know.  I find it very hard to believe.
The whole floor is already mapped. This would be to dive on "targets" only. $5 million -- I doubt it. The article said they would search the "pond". We saw it completely dry with soil already dug up   -- I venture to say there is nothing there! JMO
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