Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18/09 - 2/21/09

[caesu]

Awemainta 20 Feb.

30 days 'cooling off' period?

not sure what it all says, but it seems to be Rudy Croes is part of the problem.
hopefully tomorrow more in Dutch language media.

[Magnolia]

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.

Snoopy - all I know is there is an article posted in a Dutch newspaper.  It was posted and translated at BFN.  Debbie at BFN is acting like Dave Holloway did do the interview.  That's about all I know.  I find it very hard to believe.

So many scam possibilities come to mind when another search is mentioned, especially if Silvetti is
involved.  I am almost afraid to hear what Tim Miller has to say on Dana's show.

[Blue Moon]

Kermit, are you trying to get us killed?  This is the mafia you are talking about here. 

I asked the other night if the mafia was paying for the Kalpoes lawsuit.  Would make sense to me since their lawyers (I think) are out of Chicago/Illinois.

[caesu]

Awemainta 20 Feb.

30 days 'cooling off' period?

not sure what it all says, but it seems to be Rudy Croes is part of the problem.
hopefully tomorrow more in Dutch language media.

i mean Awemainta 19 February.

[caesu]

Awemainta 20 Feb.

just putting it out here. maybe someone makes connections if there are any.

i mean Awemainta 19 February.

[Blue Moon]

Awemainta 20 Feb.

30 days 'cooling off' period?

not sure what it all says, but it seems to be Rudy Croes is part of the problem.
hopefully tomorrow more in Dutch language media.

These are really "drama queens" over there.  Whiny, crybabies.

[MuffyBee]

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.

Snoopy - all I know is there is an article posted in a Dutch newspaper.  It was posted and translated at BFN.  Debbie at BFN is acting like Dave Holloway did do the interview.  That's about all I know.  I find it very hard to believe.

So many scam possibilities come to mind when another search is mentioned, especially if Silvetti is
involved.  I am almost afraid to hear what Tim Miller has to say on Dana's show.

Tim Miller wasn't able to do his guest spot on Dana's show tonight.  Dana said he was busy in Florida.

[texasmom]

So this supposed new search may not even be for real huh?  Geez.

Snoopy - all I know is there is an article posted in a Dutch newspaper.  It was posted and translated at BFN.  Debbie at BFN is acting like Dave Holloway did do the interview.  That's about all I know.  I find it very hard to believe.

So many scam possibilities come to mind when another search is mentioned, especially if Silvetti is
involved.  I am almost afraid to hear what Tim Miller has to say on Dana's show.

Tim wasn't on the show.  Dana said he's very busy in Florida searching for the missing Hayleigh (sp?) right now.

[klaasend]

Posted at BFN

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/3007028/Dave_Holloway_geeft_zoektocht_Natalee_niet_op.html

Dave Holloway geeft zoektocht Natalee niet op

Door MAAIKE RUEPERT

Het onderzoek naar de vermiste Natalee Holloway lijkt bijna vier jaar na haar verdwijning op Aruba muurvast te zitten. Toch wil Natalees vader Dave Holloway met enkele Amerikaanse experts zelf weer op onderzoek uit.


Dave Holloway met Natalee, zes dagen voor haar verdwijning op Aruba. FOTO AP/ BETH TWITTY

Een 80 meter lang schip, uitgerust met moderne duikapparatuur ligt klaar voor vertrek naar Aruba. Een slordige 5 miljoen dollar kost het om 150 objecten op te duiken in de Caribische Zee en een vijver af te graven op zoek naar een spoor van Natalee. Een Amerikaans team, gespecialiseerd in het vinden van vermiste personen, heeft dat bedrag er voor over, maar wacht tevergeefs op steun van Hans Mos, hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba, zegt Natalees vader Dave Holloway.

Holloway laat vanuit zijn woonplaats Meridian, Mississippi, weten dat hij bijna alle vertrouwen in het Arubaanse justitieapparaat heeft verloren: ,,Het is merkwaardig wat er op Aruba gebeurt.’’

Ook aan de lijn zijn een woedende John Silvetti uit Lafayette, Louisiana, en Tim Miller. De laatste belt vanuit Llano, Texas, waar hij bezig is met een zoekactie naar een 2-jarig jongetje dat vermist is. Miller zette na de ontvoering en moord op zijn dochter Laura het bedrijf TexasEquuSearch op en organiseerde in 2005 diverse zoekacties naar Natalee. Silvetti zocht vorig jaar met zijn schip Persistence maandenlang de zeebodem af op zoek naar een spoor van de Amerikaanse.

,,We hebben een getuige die zegt dat hij in de nacht van mijn dochters verdwijning verdachte Joran van der Sloot - tot zijn middel onder de modder en op één tennisschoen - heeft zien lopen en later Joran en zijn vader heeft zien langsrijden in een rode jeep,’’ vertelt Dave Holloway. De getuige vermoedt dat Joran in een verder gelegen vijver is geweest. Holloway: ,,Ik zou graag die vijver laten onderzoeken. Waarschijnlijk ligt Jorans schoen daarin.’’ Als de tennisschoen in de vijver wordt gevonden, ziet forensisch expert Richard Eikelenboom van laboratorium IFS mogelijkheden voor dna-onderzoek. ,,Ons bedrijf kan daar mogelijk nog dna van af halen.’’

Hoofdofficier van justitie Mos wil echter het water niet laten onderzoeken. ,,Dat Joran bij dat water zou zijn geweest, is niet meer dan een veronderstelling van die getuige,’’ legt hij vanuit Oranjestad uit. ,,Als ik overal achteraan moet gaan, ben ik de hele dag bezig. En al zou ik er iets vinden, dan nog is dat geen bewijs dat Joran iets heeft gedaan.’’

Vader Holloway begrijpt het niet: ,,Al is het geen bewijs, het kan je op weg helpen. Als officier van justitie heb je de verplichting om de zaak tot op de bodem uit te zoeken. Hij zegt dat Jorans vader Paul van der Sloot een goede man is, een vriend. Ik vraag me af of er corruptie in het spel is.’’

Holloway, Silvetti en Miller hebben de getuige een leugendetectortest laten ondergaan door een ex-CIA agent. De man doorstond de test glansrijk, maar het Openbaar Ministerie wil de uitslag niet opnemen in het Holloway-dossier. ,,Ik mocht me er niet mee bemoeien,’’ briest Miller. ,,Maar Natalee is een Amerikaanse, zij is een van onze meisjes. Wij zetten onze beste mensen, onze beste hulpmiddelen in, zodat iedereen die van Natalee hield en de Arubanen de zaak kunnen afsluiten.’’

Zo heeft John Silvetti monsters genomen in de vijverbodem om te bepalen hoe diep ze moeten graven om iets van vier jaar geleden terug te vinden. Silvetti: ,,Ik heb Mos gevraagd de monsters op te sturen naar de FBI, want dat mag ik niet doen. Maar voor zover ik weet, liggen die monsters nog steeds in de koelkast op het politiebureau. Mos neemt al maanden de telefoon niet op en belt ook niet terug. Deze zaak stinkt. Mos heeft dat onderzoek om zeep geholpen.’’

Mos zegt niets van de genomen monsters te weten. Hij doet de kritiek af als emotie. ,,Van mij mogen ze hun gang gaan, als ze het maar even laten weten,’’ zegt hij. ,,Ik werk ze niet tegen. Waar die gedachte vandaan komt, weet ik niet. Ik wil de zaak graag oplossen. Maar ik zet alleen de politie in als er concrete aanwijzingen zijn. Als het aan hen ligt, halen ze het hele eiland overhoop. De Persistence heeft ook maar een object gevonden en dat heeft niets opgeleverd. Ik denk niet dat we in de zee iets vinden.’’

Als Silvetti dat laatste hoort, springt hij bijna uit zijn vel. ,,Wat een walgelijke bewering,’’ roept hij. ,,We hebben nog 150 objecten gevonden op de zeebodem die van mensen afkomstig zijn en die we willen onderzoeken.’’

Forensisch expert Richard Eikelenboom bevestigt dat er een kans is dat het lichaam of kleding van Natalee op de zeebodem wordt gevonden. ,,Zeewater is slechter voor dna dan zoet water,’’ zegt hij, ,,maar ook dan zijn er nog mogelijkheden voor onderzoek, zeker als het lichaam wordt gevonden.’’ Eikelenboom adviseert om de objecten te laten opduiken en vervolgens onder water te bewaren. Tijdens het dna-onderzoek worden de stukken dan pas uit het water gehaald. ,,Het dna gaat in tijd en onder waterige condities natuurlijk wel achteruit. ’’

Dave Holloway is bang dat de zaak in de doofpot verdwijnt. ,, De politie heeft niets anders gedaan dan de boel te verpesten. Mos zegt dat de zaak al meer dan 7,5 miljoen euro heeft gekost. Ik denk dan bij mezelf: ze hadden helemaal niet zoveel geld hoeven uitgeven. De zaak had allang opgelost kunnen zijn.’’ Tim Miller: ,,Met alle zoektochten die we hebben ondernomen, hebben we de autoriteiten miljoenen dollars bespaard. Het gaat ons er alleen om het meisje te vinden.’’


GOOGLE TRANSLATION


Dave Holloway won't give up search for Natalee

By Maaike RUEPERT

The investigation of the Natalee Holloway missing almost four years after her disappearance in Aruba really trapped. However, Natalees father Dave Holloway with some American experts on research itself.


Dave with Natalee Holloway, six days before her disappearance in Aruba. AP PHOTO / BETH Twitty

A 80 meter long ship, equipped with modern diving equipment is ready to leave for Aruba. A sloppy 5 million dollar cost for 150 items on diving in the Caribbean Sea and a pond to dig to find a trace of Natalee. An American team, specializing in finding missing persons, that amount of overtime, but wait in vain for support from Hans Mos, head prosecutor in Aruba, says Natalees father Dave Holloway.

Holloway leaves from his hometown Meridian, Mississippi, know that almost all faith in the Aruban judiciary has lost: "It is remarkable what is happening in Aruba.''

Also on the line are angry John Silvetti from Lafayette, Louisiana, and Tim Miller. The last call from Llano, Texas, where he is with a search for a 2-year old boy is missing. Miller continued after the abduction and murder of his daughter Laura TexasEquuSearch the company in 2005 and organized several searches for Natalee. Silvetti searched last year with his ship Persistence months off the seabed in search of a trail of the U.S..

,, We have a witness who says he in the night of my daughters disappearance suspect Joran van der Sloot - up to his waist in the mud and a tennis shoe - is seen walking and later Joran and his father has long seen driving a red jeep ,''says Dave Holloway. The witness suspect Joran in a remote pond has been. Holloway: I would like the pond to investigate. It is Joran shoe in it.''If the tennis shoe in the pond is found, see forensic expert Richard Eikelenboom laboratory IFS for DNA research. ,, Our company can even get DNA from it.''

Chief Public Prosecutor Mos does not examine the water. ,, That Joran that water would have been no more than an assumption of that witness,''he explains from Oranjestad from. ,, If I have to go back anywhere, I am the whole day. And even if I find something, it is no evidence that Joran has done something.''

Father Holloway understand not, Al is no evidence it can help you get started. As a prosecutor, you have the obligation to refer the matter to the soil out. He says Joran van der Sloot father Paul a good man, a friend. I wonder whether there is corruption in the game.''

Holloway, Silvetti and Miller have the witness to undergo a lie detector test by an ex-CIA agent. The man stood by the test with flying colors, but the Public Ministry, the results are not included in the Holloway case. ,, If I am not interfere,''Briestenné Miller. ,, But Natalee is an American, it is one of our girls. We put our best people, our best tools, so everybody who took Natalee and Arubans the case closed.''

For example, John Silvetti samples taken in the pond bottom to determine how deep they have to dig for something like four years ago to find. Silvetti: I have asked Mos samples to send to the FBI, because I may not do. But as far as I know, these samples are still in the refrigerator at the police. Mos takes months and phone calls not returned. This case stinks. Mos research has helped to kill.''

Mos says none of the samples taken to know. He criticized as emotion. ,, From Me to their course, if only to know,''he says. ,, I work against them. Where this idea comes from, I do not know. I would like to solve the case. But I'll put the police if there is concrete evidence. If it is to them, they get the whole island in a heap. The Persistence also only has one item and that has nothing. I do not think we found something in the sea.''

Silvetti If the latter is, he almost jumps out of his skin. ,, What a disgusting allegation,''he calls. ,, We have 150 items found on the seabed of people come and we want to investigate.''

Forensic expert Richard Eikelenboom confirms that there is a chance that the body or clothing of Natalee is found on the seabed. , Marine dna is worse than fresh water,''he says, "but even then there are opportunities for research, especially if the body is found.''Eikelenboom recommends that the objects to appear and then water store. When DNA research, the pieces are then taken out of the water. , The DNA is time and under aqueous conditions, of course, backwards. ''

Dave Holloway is concerned that the case cover disappears. ,, The police have done nothing other than to ruin everything. Mos said that the case for more than 7.5 million euro cost. I think to myself: they had no need to spend so much money. The case had long been resolved can be.''Tim Miller:,, With all the quests we've undertaken, we have the authorities millions of dollars saved. Our main concern is just the girl to find.''

[texasmom]

Thanks Dana!  Great show!   

[Kermit]

March 1 - RV Persistence announced it is leaving Aruba
March 3 - John meets with Caps
March 3 - Kyle learns that the screenshots he sent to the FBI - the FBI sent to Dave and Dave's wife, Robin posted them on the internet.
March 12 the persistence gets back to Louisiana
March 16 - In the month of March 2008 a witness who was urged by Dave Holloway to step forward confronted the Prosecutor’s Office. The man gave a statement on March 16th 2008 accompanied by his lawyer.

March 18 - Kyle says: "the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

March 18 - Caps has spoken to John and John is in contact with Mos
March 18 - Kyle says that it is the pond near the soccer field that Caps is talking about was the one searched by RV Persistence crew
March is when Kyle started asking Freebirds about the boat and the size of boat that it would take to carry a cage like htat.
March 18, 2008, 09:10:45 PM Kyle posts at scared monkeys that he personally
does not feel that we should disregard the trap or its contents until we know how
that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were


MF hasn't posted at RU since 3/17/08
Glenda hasn't posted at RU since 3/19/08
no updates from amigo since 3/20/08 

March 20 - private eye posts on SM about the blue denim fabric
March 20 -  Kyle tells PrivateEye to email him fo r further discussion.

March 21 - Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said
ONE WEEK LATER
March 24 - Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond
Klye posted at SM: "The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample."
The first post of CapsLockWizard’s posted on: (SM) January 17, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
Remains were taken on January 17 sent to the FBI on January 22/24...

March 26 CAPS and Dave email each other:
From: Caps Lock TO DAVE:
That was the first report.
Did you received the second report about
I did send it to you read it with the google earth data file.
How do I know that you are Dave?
there are to many danger peaople out there.
Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am
Why did it took so long to Answer?


March 27 - Kyle emails me that he is going offshore in a day


April 3, 2008 -Posted at BFN
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations

Apr 7 Kyle says he just got asked by Mos through John to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Moss is calling for the draining and full search of the pond
KEEPING IN MIND POND WAS FULL OF WATER BACK IN FEB. APRIL MOS WANTS A BRIEF SO HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO DRAIN THE POND, BY MAY THE POND IS COMPLETELY DRY

APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million

APRIL 24,2008 OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS RESIGNED FROM SUPERIOR OFFSHORE COMPANY


APRIL 25,2008 THEY ANNOUNCED FILING A CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY

MAY 5, 2008 = CAPS posts about the pond being roped off


May 8, 2008 = Kyle posts: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.


On May 8, 2008, the Company filed a motion with the Court for authority to sell a

12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related

equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment

of $6,750,000.00

May 17 - Kyle
I need immediate help.

I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.
I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search. Preferably the original posts with date and time stamps.
Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM


June 10 - Kyle Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.

I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere.

JUNE 10, 2008 = Kyle said:He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.


June 16 - On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me.
What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations.
loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.


CAPS
CAPS REVEALS HE HAS A BROTHER WORKING WITH EITHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE

 

Klaasend:

watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

...Hmmmmm..

I was not there to listen to the news today...but MOS is upset....


Reply #1348 on: May 05, 2008, 11:06:59 PM »

Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.1340


May 8, 2008 CAPS posted about his losing a shoe in a pond when he was a kid
Reply #1486


May 15 - Kyle says Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti are accusing him of leaking the photos to SM and asks for our help.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that she will have pictures of the drained pond from her *direct* sourse in Aruba.
May 15 - Destiny posts at SM that the photos taken today by Monserat, it is the pond next to the soccer field.

May 17 - Kyle confirms the pond is the Monstrat pond.
May 17 - Kyle needs to know from US who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"
May 17, 2008 - Destiny posted the photos of the pond at SM
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.920
May 17, Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that
he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

[billb's daughter]

Has it been verified that the Persistence IS going back to Aruba and that Dave is investing $5million to the venture?  The first time it cost over $1million, why is it an even bigger amount now.

I hope this is not a "shake-down" from Aruba to Natalee's family with love. JMO

There was an article posted in a Dutch site that claims there will be a new search.  Whether it includes the Persistence and who is paying I'm not sure of.  I'm also not sure if it's true.

I think the dutch reporter was just blowing smoke for whatever reason.
Always taking pot shots and Beth and Natalee....
If it were real, I would think that reputable news services would have reported on it.
And wouldn't John S and Louis S. be asking for funds by now?

[snoopy]

Hey Kermit I like those laymen terms.  I get it.

That freakin pond!  The only way Natalee is in that pond is if she was removed from the ocean and placed there recently.  That would make it nice and clean now wouldn't it?  CAPS witness sees  Joran at / near the pond.  Joran takes the fall and everyone else goes untouched.  Don't get me wrong.  Joran, Deepak, Satish are guilty as heck for the crimes commited against Natalee, but I believe that there were more important people involved.  Well I feel that way today anyhow.  Tomm I might be back to just J2K alone. lol

[billb's daughter]

Sorry I jumped in while real work was going on...Just felt I had a calling to speak for ROBOTS.. (yea, right, like anyone could speak for ROBOTS - NOT).
What is with that group? It is so obvious that they drive by only to distract and cause hate and contempt.
Whenever their goal is, it doesn't appear that it will promote Justice for Natalee...mhoo..

Hi billb!  I agree, their actions/distractions are in no way to help find Justice for Natalee; and they know it.


You know you love all of us stackaholics!  

I admit, I do....

[caesu]

WASHINGTON —  Federal regulators on Tuesday charged Texas financier R. Allen Stanford and three of his firms with a "massive" fraud that centered around high-interest-rate certificates of deposit, and raided some of the companies' offices.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494664,00.html

this Allan Stanford financial scandal has an Aruba connection:

STANFORD GROUP ARUBA N.V.
Marisol Building, 2nd Floor
L.G. Smith Boulevard 60
Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch West Indies
297.583.1033

http://www.conasev.gob.pe/emisoras/Ficha_empresa.asp?p_codigo=115021

Dutch media is reporting about this Aruban/Dutch connection.

De Texaan – wereldwijd een grote sponsor van tennis, cricket, golf en polo – was ook actief op Aruba, het oudste Caribische belastingparadijs. Uit gegevens van de lokale Kamer van Koophandel blijkt dat de Stanford Financial Group sinds 1989 in Oranjestad een vestiging heeft. Directeur daar is de Nederlander Frans Vingerhoedt, die al heel lang bij de Texaan werkt en onder meer betrokken is bij de tennissponsoring door het bedrijf.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/article1151092.ece/Kleine_Madoff_was_held_in_het_Caribisch_gebied

Dutton Peabody said:
Feb. 14, 7:18 PM
When you search "stanfordInvestmentbank.com" at the Internet Archive (aka Wayback) it loads older pages.

Interesting that the President of the Bank has changed (2004)
Frans P. Vingerhoedt was with Stanford in Guardian Investment Days. His current Linked in page places him at Bank of Antigua (which is another Stanford tentacle, according to press reports).

Frans P. Vingerhoedt assumed his position as President of the bank in December 1997. Mr. Vingerhoedt previously served as President of Stanford Group Aruba NV and Stanford Trust Company, Ltd., affiliated companies of SIB. He received a Master's degree from the State University of Antwerp in 1978.

The other name in older press was:
Harry van Bergen joined Stanford International Bank as Director of Operations in March 1998. He previously served as Managing Director of a consulting firm, Cumaco N.V. Prior to that, Mr. van Bergen was employed for nearly 15 years in various management positions with ABN AMRO Bank N.V. He received a Master's degree in law from the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands.

No one has commented that the website and pdf are inconsistent on the very important Compliance position. Website gives two lower functionaries, and older Annual reports has a single VP for compliance Pedro E. Rodriguez

Pedro E. Rodriguez graduated from the Interamerican University of Puerto Rico in 1983 with a degree in finance and accounting, holds a diploma in auditing from the BAI School of Banking at the University of Wisconsin and is a Certified Regulatory Compliance Manager (CRCM) (http://www.aba.com/ICBCertifications/CRCM.htm).
Rodriguez has been in banking since 1972 and has held the positions of Vice President, Compliance and Compliance Officer/Internal Auditor with Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, Chase Manhattan Bank and Banco Santander in Puerto Rico. He also served as Internal Auditor and Compliance Officer at Bancaracas International Banking Corporation.

http://www.businessinsider.com/regulators-examining-stanford-group-for-possible-fraud-2009-2
maye this is something of interest to look into.

The SEC's fraud charges may be the least of accused financial scammer R. Allen Stanford's worries. Federal authorities tell ABC News that the FBI and others have been investigating whether Stanford was involved in laundering drug money for Mexico's notorious Gulf Cartel.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6907429


Awemainta 20 Feb.

just putting it out here. maybe someone makes connections if there are any.

Caesu, I thought about Silvetti when this was shown on the news.  If it has an Aruban connection then they LOST LOTS of money from this fraud.

this Allen Stanford scandal is pretty recent. surely a lot more will come out in the coming days week.
simular to this Madoff scandal, only smaller in size.

this Dutchman Frans Vingerhoedt is or was Director of the branch on Aruba.
i would be interesting to know if he had any dealings with H. S. Croes or who his attorney is on Aruba.

[snoopy]

Thank you Klaas.

[Tamikosmom]

I am puzzled by Dave's descision about the search, but I will support him to the end. 

JMHO but I think Aruba already has Natalee's remains.

I wonder if Silvetti is offering to do this search to save face?  Little late for that if you ask me.  JMO

Not me.

If Dave Holloway is aware of Kyle Kingman's own words and ... is not pressuring the FBI investigate the happenings encompassing the trap/cage ... then I am done and ... I mean it.

Janet

+++++

THE PERSISTENCE DECEPTION

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

John Silvetti

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Fabric - Tarp - Vertibre - Skull

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle:  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:   … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle:  I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form.  Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of  vertebrae.

Kyle: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle:  The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle:  In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand.  Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle:  … Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.
 
Kyle: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.  In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

[Kermit]

Kermit, are you trying to get us killed?  This is the mafia you are talking about here. 

I asked the other night if the mafia was paying for the Kalpoes lawsuit.  Would make sense to me since their lawyers (I think) are out of Chicago/Illinois.

MOB ATTORNEY DEFENDING JORAN:
Joe Tacopina
After he graduated from the University of Bridgeport School of Law in 1991, Tacopina gained his first trial experience as the second chair on the John Gotti defense team during the mob boss’s 1992 trial. He was only twenty-five years old.
http://www.skidmore.edu/scope/winter2003/features/powerplays.html

And he knew that a courtroom was where he wanted to be. He promptly got a summer job in New York City, working for the lawyer representing Paul Castellano, the reputed Gambino crime-family boss who was later gunned down outside Sparks Steak House.
http://www.skidmore.edu/scope/winter2003/features/powerplays.html
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Reputed Gambino crime associate Richard Juliano makes a living selling adult toys like leather handcuffs, ball gags and bondage ropes from his Staten Island sex emporium.

But it's a court-ordered ankle bracelet he wears under terms of his house arrest that is hurting business.

According to a letter his lawyer sent to Brooklyn Federal Court Judge Raymond Dearie, Juliano wants the bracelet removed so he can deal with pilferage showing in the inventory at his Nitecap Entertainment shop on Gulf Ave.

The letter doesn't say what's missing from the store, which peddles, among other naughty items, "pleasure swings," "breakaway thongs" and "Vagina is For Lovers" T-shirts, but the letter says he can't look into the problem as long as he's confined to his house.

"It would seem that someone has been stealing from Mr. Juliano in his absence. To address this issue, Mr. Juliano needs to make his presence felt by appearing at his establishment on a steady basis," lawyer Joseph Tacopina wrote.

Juliano, 32, who graduated from St. John's University with a business degree, operates the kinky retail outlet with his retired-cop brother-in-law.

He is charged in racketeering conspiracy with collecting an unpaid gambling debt. He was on supervised release for a previous illegal gambling conviction at the time of the alleged crime.

The judge has permitted Juliano to go to his orthodontist, get a colonoscopy and attend a benefit for fallen firefighter Joey Graffagnino, killed in the Deutsche Bank building blaze. That shows he can be trusted, Tacopina argues.

Of course, it was Tacopina who told another federal judge at Juliano's sentencing in 2005 that he would "not engage in criminal conduct again."

Just in case Juliano needs one, his store sells a striped prisoner's costume for $30.29.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/10/28/2007-10-28_king_of_kink_spring_me_to_watch_my_biz_s.html

 this is a slightly translated article which appeared in the CR newspaper today:

Four members of the gambino clan

They condemn here to gangster by bets
• Procesaban bets through Pelican Sports

Giannina Segnini
gsegnini@nacion.com
Editor of the Nation

In an historical judgment against the "family" gangster Gambino, of New York, four members of that clan were condemned yesterday in a court of Brooklyn to process illegal bets through a company/signature in Costa Rica.
Andrew Genser, public prosecutor whom it persecuted to the gangster ones, it confirmed to the Nation the sentence and said that the bets were placed through the company Pelican Sports, that operates in the country.
Genser explained that the condemned is Anthony Ciccone, Jerome Brancato, Richard Bondi and Primo Cassarino.

The four, affirmed the public prosecutor, served as agents as sportsbook and pro cessed bets for about 30 better ones, between March of the 2000 and June of the 2002.
It noticed that evidences do not exist of which the condemned had participation shareholder in the house of bets.
Everything seems to indicate, said, that they worked like independent agents who received a commission by their services.
According to the accusation, the four condemned processed "tens of thousands of dollars per week" in sport bets, that are illegal in almost all the American states.
In the judgment 68 causes against 17 members of the "family" Gambino were processed. The main figure, also found guilty by other crimes, is Peter Gotti, who assumed the leadership of the clan a year ago, after the death of his brother, legendary the gangster John Gotti.
They deny bond
The page in Internet of Pelican Sports says that that house of bets was acquired by Jazz Casino and Sportsbook, a company/signature of Corporation of Investments DPT Dolphins S. A.
A DPT represent ative that requested not to be identified, explained yesterday that Pelican Sports let exist from July of the 2000.
"Any person could have used the name of the company. We do not have any relation with those people nor know who are ", said.
According to the Public Registry, the president of Corporation of Investments DPT is the Costa Rican Andrea Villalobos Ibarra.
This newspaper tried to communicate with her, but it did not respond to several messages that were left him on their cellular telephone.
The dominion of Pelican Sports in Internet is registered, from the 29 of October of 1999, to name of Luis Chavarría, who in addition is not the DPT. treasurer He responded a made call either to his office.
"They were recommendations"
Joseph Tacopina, lawyer of Jerome Brancato, one of the sentenced ones, said yesterday to the Nation
The third man
• Ciccone coordinated bets of the Mafia here
The "captain" of the family Gambino, Anthony Sonny Ciccone, is, according to the FBI of New York, "the person in charge of a sig nificant part of the criminal activity of the Gambino family and an important source of generation of money for them".
With 63 years of age, Ciccone has been condemned in other processes (in 1994 and 1998) related to blackmail and extorsion through unions of workers.
As "captain" occupies the third position in importance within the Gambino clan.
In a recording of 1986 the old head of the New York family Gambino, John Gotti (who died a year ago in prison), said that Ciccone was making more and more money for the family.
Gotti promoted to Ciccone like "captain", according to Jerry Capesi, journalist specialized in New York Mafia and author of the biography of the legendary Gotti.


MAFIA ATTORNEY - JOE TACOPINA:
The prosecutors say they will prove that Mr. Brancato took regular cash payments to Mr. Gotti from all the illegal activities
<snip>
Mr. Brancato's lawyer, Joseph Tacopina
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807EFDF1031F936A25752C0A9659C8B63
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Joe Tacopina, whose client list includes the late John Gotti, and Joseph “Joey Green Eyes” Anemone.
http://www.lostnation.tv/html/bernie_kerik.html
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Joseph Tacopina, Law ’91 of Westport, a leading New York defense lawyer who has represented clients ranging from John Gotti to Bernard Kerik to Joran Van der Sloot in Aruba;
http://www.bridgeport.edu/pages/3218.asp?item=2764

"He's the lone defendant because he's a gambler charged with a crime he did not commit," said Paloscio's lawyer Joseph Tacopina, hinting he would concede his client's involvement in illegal gambling at trial.
http://www.ganglandnews.com/column264.htm
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[Kermit]

Hey Kermit I like those laymen terms.  I get it.

That freakin pond!  The only way Natalee is in that pond is if she was removed from the ocean and placed there recently.  That would make it nice and clean now wouldn't it?  CAPS witness sees  Joran at / near the pond.  Joran takes the fall and everyone else goes untouched.  Don't get me wrong.  Joran, Deepak, Satish are guilty as heck for the crimes commited against Natalee, but I believe that there were more important people involved.  Well I feel that way today anyhow.  Tomm I might be back to just J2K alone. lol

Well, it looks a tennis shoe inside that cage.
But Caps says a tennis shoe was in the pond.

We know the LE removed the evidence from the cage/trap.

Someone is involved in covering up the evidence.
Dolf Richardson was in charge of the evidence.

[texasmom]

Sorry I jumped in while real work was going on...Just felt I had a calling to speak for ROBOTS.. (yea, right, like anyone could speak for ROBOTS - NOT).
What is with that group? It is so obvious that they drive by only to distract and cause hate and contempt.
Whenever their goal is, it doesn't appear that it will promote Justice for Natalee...mhoo..

Hi billb!  I agree, their actions/distractions are in no way to help find Justice for Natalee; and they know it.


You know you love all of us stackaholics!  

I admit, I do....

All of us stackaholics love you too billb!!!!