Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18/09 - 2/21/09

[klaasend]

You monkeys are on a roll great job!

keep it up frog, we are looking for more ammunition. Keep posting...PLEASE!!!! You all are making this waaaaay too easy!!!

Enough of the drive byes and trying to start trouble.

[Magnolia]

The FBI agent that was so disgusted that he got up and left was Agent Shipley

March 25 Agent Shipley was in Aruba regarding the case. (Kyle said)

Do you have any idea why they sent Agent Shipley back to Aruba in March, 2008

Air Force 2 had just been there March 1
Agent Shipley then went around March 25
Kyle said in regards to why Shipley was in Aruba: "I consider it linked to what I was working on when I made that comment about a week ago."

This is what was going on at that time:
Mos is opposing the request to drain and search the pond recently surveyed by us
- The government is about to settle the labor dispute
- The annual police budget is $10 million
- 5 million was spent on the Holloway case

There has got to be something else....that we are unaware of.
I will look for what I can find.

Wouldn't it be just so cool if Stanford absconded with Schaefer and Silvetti's
illegally gotten gains?

T

Magnolia,

March 18, 2008 Kyle said:  also heard from a reputable source that no less than a dozen people will go to prison due to corruption

March 20, 2008 - private eye posted at SM»
Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7,

March 24 - Kyle tells us FBI Shipley is in Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond.

02/27/2008
Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond.

02/27/2008
Robin posts the cage pictures received from the FBI at BFN.

02/28/2008
Kyle, posting at SM, makes two references to having been away from the search.  “I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.”  “I've personally been handling the matter* while I was on the east coast last week.“
[*Note: the matter = selling television rights to the search]

[klaasend]

Ldstlou has been banned.  Next person that comes here to start trouble will be banned.  Who's it going to be? 

[Keepthefaith]

I figured something was up earlier Klaas!

[klaasend]

This again?
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68176

Ritz Carlton Will Invest A Record US$200 Million On Aruban Property

February 18th 2009, Aruba.



The yellow stipple line indicates the construction lot for Ritz Carlton
Aruba, the red stipple line the rearranged road towards Westpunt.



ORANJESTAD-The government has surprized many on the island on Wednesday by announcing the
construction of a five star luxury Ritz Carlton Resort. The present and past governments have for
15 years tried to attract a prestigious five star resort brand such as the Ritz Carlton in Aruba, with
not much success.

With great pride Prime Minister Nelson Oduber announced that the parties involved in the
negotiation of the proposed Ritz Carlton project have reached an agreement, and construction of
the resort will start shortly. The Prime Minister admitted that the road to bring Ritz Carlton to
Aruba was long and difficult, but was pleased with the final outcome.

Aruba's tourism industry has long matured, and it is now time to elevate the quality of the tourism
product to a higher level, by attracting the luxury market and that of high excellence. Contrary to
past hotel projects, it is agreed that the Ritz Carlton hotel will not receive tax holiday from the
government, nor will the government stand guaranteed for the project. This project will not cost
Aruba tax payers money, but will provide money to the government and locals once the resort is
operational.

The hotel will be constructed north of the Marriott Resort on Hadicurari Beach, and it will be named
Aruba Ritz Carlton Resort Spa & Casino. Ritz Carlton Aruba will consist out of 320 rooms of high
quality design consistent with the standards of Ritz Carlton. The construction of the five star hotel
property is priced at US$200 million. Aruba Investment Bank is the biggest financial stakeholder in
the project.

While many hotel projects in the Caribbean are being cancelled because of the present global
financial and economic crisis, the construction of Ritz Carlton in Aruba is a sign of confidence in the
tourism product and the economy of the island. The construction of the hotel is welcome news for
the construction sector, it will provide 425 construction jobs. Ritz Carlton Aruba will employ 500
people once the hotel is operational. An additional 550 indirect jobs will be created because of
additional tourists. Oduber says there is no need to attract much foreign labor, as 900 students
complete their studies each year on the island.

Oduber emphasized that attracting an additional five star hotel on the island does not imply that
Aruba is a five star tourism destination, but it is a step forward in achieving that goal. "We have
to continue to improve our tourism product, through educating and motivating employees working
in the sector, and hotels should improve and upgrade their facilities." The government will continue
to push for the relocation of the container terminal from Oranjestad to Barcadera, and soon
announce the start of revitalizing the main street of Oranjestad.

[klaasend]

I figured something was up earlier Klaas!

Yes 

[Keepthefaith]

Let's keep on that Roll Monkey's!

[Magnolia]

I got so nervous about the drive by and trying to keep my mouth shut
that I posted things from February instead of March.

[hotping]

I got so nervous about the drive by and trying to keep my mouth shut
that I posted things from February instead of March.

Please don't let them make You nervous Magnolia..... Klaas fixed Her wagon.....One down many to go! 

[Keepthefaith]

I got so nervous about the drive by and trying to keep my mouth shut
that I posted things from February instead of March.

  Take a minute and keep doing what you we're doing!All aspects of this travesty need to be brought out from the dark and into the light!

[bastibro]

This again?
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68176

Ritz Carlton Will Invest A Record US$200 Million On Aruban Property

February 18th 2009, Aruba.



The yellow stipple line indicates the construction lot for Ritz Carlton
Aruba, the red stipple line the rearranged road towards Westpunt.



ORANJESTAD-The government has surprized many on the island on Wednesday by announcing the
construction of a five star luxury Ritz Carlton Resort. The present and past governments have for
15 years tried to attract a prestigious five star resort brand such as the Ritz Carlton in Aruba, with
not much success.

With great pride Prime Minister Nelson Oduber announced that the parties involved in the
negotiation of the proposed Ritz Carlton project have reached an agreement, and construction of
the resort will start shortly. The Prime Minister admitted that the road to bring Ritz Carlton to
Aruba was long and difficult, but was pleased with the final outcome.

Aruba's tourism industry has long matured, and it is now time to elevate the quality of the tourism
product to a higher level, by attracting the luxury market and that of high excellence. Contrary to
past hotel projects, it is agreed that the Ritz Carlton hotel will not receive tax holiday from the
government, nor will the government stand guaranteed for the project. This project will not cost
Aruba tax payers money, but will provide money to the government and locals once the resort is
operational.

The hotel will be constructed north of the Marriott Resort on Hadicurari Beach, and it will be named
Aruba Ritz Carlton Resort Spa & Casino. Ritz Carlton Aruba will consist out of 320 rooms of high
quality design consistent with the standards of Ritz Carlton. The construction of the five star hotel
property is priced at US$200 million. Aruba Investment Bank is the biggest financial stakeholder in
the project.

While many hotel projects in the Caribbean are being cancelled because of the present global
financial and economic crisis, the construction of Ritz Carlton in Aruba is a sign of confidence in the
tourism product and the economy of the island. The construction of the hotel is welcome news for
the construction sector, it will provide 425 construction jobs. Ritz Carlton Aruba will employ 500
people once the hotel is operational. An additional 550 indirect jobs will be created because of
additional tourists. Oduber says there is no need to attract much foreign labor, as 900 students
complete their studies each year on the island.

Oduber emphasized that attracting an additional five star hotel on the island does not imply that
Aruba is a five star tourism destination, but it is a step forward in achieving that goal. "We have
to continue to improve our tourism product, through educating and motivating employees working
in the sector, and hotels should improve and upgrade their facilities." The government will continue
to push for the relocation of the container terminal from Oranjestad to Barcadera, and soon
announce the start of revitalizing the main street of Oranjestad.

This location would be right next to the gardener pond

[texasmom]

This again?
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68176

Ritz Carlton Will Invest A Record US$200 Million On Aruban Property

February 18th 2009, Aruba.



The yellow stipple line indicates the construction lot for Ritz Carlton
Aruba, the red stipple line the rearranged road towards Westpunt.



ORANJESTAD-The government has surprized many on the island on Wednesday by announcing the
construction of a five star luxury Ritz Carlton Resort. The present and past governments have for
15 years tried to attract a prestigious five star resort brand such as the Ritz Carlton in Aruba, with
not much success.

With great pride Prime Minister Nelson Oduber announced that the parties involved in the
negotiation of the proposed Ritz Carlton project have reached an agreement, and construction of
the resort will start shortly. The Prime Minister admitted that the road to bring Ritz Carlton to
Aruba was long and difficult, but was pleased with the final outcome.

Aruba's tourism industry has long matured, and it is now time to elevate the quality of the tourism
product to a higher level, by attracting the luxury market and that of high excellence. Contrary to
past hotel projects, it is agreed that the Ritz Carlton hotel will not receive tax holiday from the
government, nor will the government stand guaranteed for the project. This project will not cost
Aruba tax payers money, but will provide money to the government and locals once the resort is
operational.

The hotel will be constructed north of the Marriott Resort on Hadicurari Beach, and it will be named
Aruba Ritz Carlton Resort Spa & Casino. Ritz Carlton Aruba will consist out of 320 rooms of high
quality design consistent with the standards of Ritz Carlton. The construction of the five star hotel
property is priced at US$200 million. Aruba Investment Bank is the biggest financial stakeholder in
the project.

While many hotel projects in the Caribbean are being cancelled because of the present global
financial and economic crisis, the construction of Ritz Carlton in Aruba is a sign of confidence in the
tourism product and the economy of the island. The construction of the hotel is welcome news for
the construction sector, it will provide 425 construction jobs. Ritz Carlton Aruba will employ 500
people once the hotel is operational. An additional 550 indirect jobs will be created because of
additional tourists. Oduber says there is no need to attract much foreign labor, as 900 students
complete their studies each year on the island.

Oduber emphasized that attracting an additional five star hotel on the island does not imply that
Aruba is a five star tourism destination, but it is a step forward in achieving that goal. "We have
to continue to improve our tourism product, through educating and motivating employees working
in the sector, and hotels should improve and upgrade their facilities." The government will continue
to push for the relocation of the container terminal from Oranjestad to Barcadera, and soon
announce the start of revitalizing the main street of Oranjestad.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_53023.php

Google translation

Aruba
Ritz Carlton Funding not yet
20 Feb, 2009, 14:20 (GMT -04:00)




ORANGE CITY - The investment bank AIB is still busy with the formation of the financial consortium for the new Ritz-Carlton in Aruba to get built. It is an investment of 360 million florin became known as yesterday.

The Venezuelan group of Walter Stipa last year won the public tender for a five on the beach at Fisherman's Huts. They had a plan for the construction of a Ritz Carlton and time share apartments. The latter is now released late Tourism Minister Edison snort know. "The proceeds from the time share would be a part of the financing of the hotel concerned. But because of the current situation in the time share, it no longer. "The Marriott, the parent company of The Ritz Carlton, cross at least a good deal of money in the project.

Investors follow snort assume that the decline in tourism no longer than 2 to 3 years. "So if the hotel is finished, about 30 months and expect them from the crisis and that momentum." Snort is pleased with the confidence of investors that Aruba has received despite the crisis. "We are an exception, I think, in the Caribbean."

The government says that person is not a 'compromise' with the project have been concluded except that the way to Fisherman's Huts should be adapted to the site to site. It also gives the hotel a little more ground, because the group is not close to the sea would enable only a small piece of beach remains.
The government has agreed on the hiring of construction workers. "They must first be Aruban. But there is flexibility for foreign personnel to withdraw if there is not enough construction workers are Aruban. Like the RIU hotel is done, get them a temporary license. If the project is completed, so they should leave, "explains snort off. Also EPI students by The Ritz-Carlton approach to training so that after the opening directly in the new hotel to get.

[caesu]

This again?
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68176

Ritz Carlton Will Invest A Record US$200 Million On Aruban Property

February 18th 2009, Aruba.



The yellow stipple line indicates the construction lot for Ritz Carlton
Aruba, the red stipple line the rearranged road towards Westpunt.



ORANJESTAD-The government has surprized many on the island on Wednesday by announcing the
construction of a five star luxury Ritz Carlton Resort. The present and past governments have for
15 years tried to attract a prestigious five star resort brand such as the Ritz Carlton in Aruba, with
not much success.

With great pride Prime Minister Nelson Oduber announced that the parties involved in the
negotiation of the proposed Ritz Carlton project have reached an agreement, and construction of
the resort will start shortly. The Prime Minister admitted that the road to bring Ritz Carlton to
Aruba was long and difficult, but was pleased with the final outcome.

Aruba's tourism industry has long matured, and it is now time to elevate the quality of the tourism
product to a higher level, by attracting the luxury market and that of high excellence. Contrary to
past hotel projects, it is agreed that the Ritz Carlton hotel will not receive tax holiday from the
government, nor will the government stand guaranteed for the project. This project will not cost
Aruba tax payers money, but will provide money to the government and locals once the resort is
operational.

The hotel will be constructed north of the Marriott Resort on Hadicurari Beach, and it will be named
Aruba Ritz Carlton Resort Spa & Casino. Ritz Carlton Aruba will consist out of 320 rooms of high
quality design consistent with the standards of Ritz Carlton. The construction of the five star hotel
property is priced at US$200 million. Aruba Investment Bank is the biggest financial stakeholder in
the project.

While many hotel projects in the Caribbean are being cancelled because of the present global
financial and economic crisis, the construction of Ritz Carlton in Aruba is a sign of confidence in the
tourism product and the economy of the island. The construction of the hotel is welcome news for
the construction sector, it will provide 425 construction jobs. Ritz Carlton Aruba will employ 500
people once the hotel is operational. An additional 550 indirect jobs will be created because of
additional tourists. Oduber says there is no need to attract much foreign labor, as 900 students
complete their studies each year on the island.

Oduber emphasized that attracting an additional five star hotel on the island does not imply that
Aruba is a five star tourism destination, but it is a step forward in achieving that goal. "We have
to continue to improve our tourism product, through educating and motivating employees working
in the sector, and hotels should improve and upgrade their facilities." The government will continue
to push for the relocation of the container terminal from Oranjestad to Barcadera, and soon
announce the start of revitalizing the main street of Oranjestad.

the funding for this hotel isn't arranged yet. 360 mln florin.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_53023.php

so i have strong doubts about this.
especially now with economic crisis / this Stanford scandal unfolding and hitting the Caribbean hard.

i bet Aruba is going to use the money from the Plant Hotel/Marriott complex to get this hotel next door (280 mln florin).

Ritz Carlton is part of Marriott.

this money was supposed to go Dutch debt payments and school projects, the harbor and to renovate Oranjestad main street.
but this unfortunately wasn't a pre-condition because Aruba would use it for 'consumptive projects', in return Aruba wouldn't get the Common Court.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080930_plant-akkoord

i bet they won't pay the debt back now.
these hotel projects on Aruba are always riddled with shady financial schemes.

[caesu]

This again?
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68176

Ritz Carlton Will Invest A Record US$200 Million On Aruban Property

February 18th 2009, Aruba.

but this unfortunately wasn't a pre-condition because Aruba would use it for 'consumptive projects', in return Aruba wouldn't get the Common Court.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080930_plant-akkoord

i bet they won't pay the debt back now.
these hotel projects on Aruba are always riddled with shady financial schemes.

correction: because Aruba would not use it for 'consumptive projects'

[klaasend]

Bastibro - yes, we did an entire front page post about this when it was originally planned.  I'm surprised it's on the table again especially now in this economy.

[klaasend]

Bastibro - yes, we did an entire front page post about this when it was originally planned.  I'm surprised it's on the table again especially now in this economy.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/11/ritz-carlton-to-aruba-no-incentives-no-deal-who-calls-the-shots-in-aruba/

[Blue Moon]

Good afternoon, just got caught up.  I must tip my "hat" to all you monkeys for the great job you are doing.  I will say I am having a hard time trying to wrap my brain around all of this.  It is mind-boggling.

Will be in background (am transcribing a 65 page lawsuit from 1782 in Shenandoah, Virginia and believe me that language back then is really hard to make out.

Klaas, I won't get into trouble for belonging to a family genealogy website will I? JK

 

[bastibro]

Bastibro - yes, we did an entire front page post about this when it was originally planned.  I'm surprised it's on the table again especially now in this economy.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/11/ritz-carlton-to-aruba-no-incentives-no-deal-who-calls-the-shots-in-aruba/

Thanks Klaas, with all the empty rooms in the other hotels i predict it is more cost than benefit 

[Tamikosmom]

Magnolia,

I think you may be correct in your reasoning.

Kyle said: "Getting the response of nothing case significant gave Dateline a legal foothold to show the trap in their 1 hr special.

 

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Monkeys

I am baaaaack!  Did ya miss me?  Did ya?  Did ya?

Janet
3:25 PM PT