Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18/09 - 2/21/09

[texasmom]

sorry I don't recall the person who posted this image for credit to him/her

Left to Right in Picture

1. David Brown (Valero PR Director)
2. source do not know
3. source do not know
4. Jan van Ness (GM Playa Linda) (ex director ATA)
5. Rob Smith (ex GM Westin) (CEO AHATA)
6. Michell Brooks (HR Director Hyatt) (Ex HR employee Radisson)
7. Roland Peterson (SNBA - San Nicholaas Busisness Assoc.) (Ex Chief of Aruba Police during 1986-1990)
8. Source do not know
9. Fritz Isreal (director of Marketing at ATA)
10. Jorge Pesquera (Ex CEO AHATA) (President of convetion center of West Palm Beach FL.)

A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005
The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association voted in a new board at its general assembly which took place at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino.

The owner of the Wyndham Aruba Resort Spa & Casino, businessman Alfonso Riveroll, became the new Chairman of the Board for the Association.

Fellow hotelier Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, became 1st Vice Chair while Warren Stanley, Atlantis Adventure assumed the role of 2nd Vice Chair. Marriott General Manager Rick Zeolla will serve as Treasurer of the Association and Alex Nieuwmeyer, Divi & Tamarijn Beach Resort accepted responsibilities as the board’s Secretary.

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp; Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon.

The new board is seen here in the picture with members of the outgoing board and Jorge Pesquera AHATA’s President and CEO.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_04_archive.html


The government of Aruba allocates close to 10 million dollars annually to
promote the island abroad through Aruba Tourism Authority.
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=53670

Aruba Hotel & Touism Association
Pesquera, President & CEO
Bill Carson, CMB Carribean Mercantile Bank;
David Smith, Valero Refinery;
Rick Zeolla, Marriott Resorts
Rob Smith, Aruba Westin Resort & Casablanca Casino
Peter Steinmetz, AAA, Aruba Airport Authority




San Antonio-based Valero, the largest U.S. refiner, faces expiration of an exemption at the end of 2010, which shields it from Aruba's 28 percent tax rate. Valero has owned the 79-year-old Aruba plant since it purchased the facility for $627 million from El Paso Corp. in 2004. The refiner sold its 121-year-old facility in Lima, Ohio, for $1.9 billion in May 2007, and is exploring the sale of its refineries in Krotz Springs, La.; Memphis, Tenn.; and Ardmore, Okla.
The Aruba refinery is capable of processing 275,000 barrels of crude a day. The 800-acre complex includes two delayed coking units, which use heat and pressure to process heavy crude, such as the grades derived from Petrobras' offshore fields.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/MYSA041608_02D_valerorefinery_2f6254a_html.html



Valero refinery that processes Venezuelan oil for sale on the East Coast of the United States, and the
Dutch oil giant Shell is expanding its reach into Venezuela.
http://tinyurl.com/5nvm3n


DIARIO a haya bisbita di Bill Day di Valero
Wednesday, 29 October 2008 00:00 Local
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Recientemente DIARIO a haya bishita di Bill Day.E ta ocupa e funcion di "director of media relations" di Valero Energy na Merca y pa Aruba.Hunto cu Mariaine Arends Croes, kende ta e vocero di Refineria Valero na Aruba el a bin combersa un rato riba diferente desaroyo cu tin actualmente rond di e refineria staciona na Aruba.
Naturalmente a papia riba e ultimo acontecimentonan caminda e director di media relations a mustra riba e responsabilidad cu nan tin pa cu loke a pasa.
Na DIARIO e ehecutivonan di refineria Valero a ser ricibi di parti di gerencia Jossito Mansur y Luis Miguel Mansur mientras cu Nelson Speed Andrade tabata presente como parti di redaccion di DIARIO y pa e contactonan estrecho cu esnan di e refineria.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/200810294757/Local/DIARIO-a-haya-bisbita-di-Bill-Day-di-Valero.html

Second from left, John Merryweather?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet ..

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=871.0

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

[Magnolia]

Capslockwizard said: "The Natalee case and the Ritz Carlton scandal need to be expose to the world to show how corrupt the MEP government is. They are the root of all the corruption on the Island. Rudy Croes, Nelson Oduber, Booshi Wever, Ben King, Sloots, Some reporters, some of the parliamentarian of MEP and Nilo Swan. They are the cornerstone of the Corruption in Aruba.

Capslockwizard said: "Remains were taken on January 17 sent to the FBI on January 22/24.............."

I saw that last quote a minute ago and I wondered if he got the date wrong or if there was another dive.
Of course he was never one to get the facts straight.

Charles Croes was really against the building of the Ritz Carlton too.

Whoa!
Really?

Well, that is interesting.

...because it was lalasmom who wanted to know why I posted 7 Catrini in the Shango thread.
She was so interested about it, she asked about it more then once.

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle
It turns out it is near Charles Croes home and also someone else.

CapsLockWizzard's....I remember her getting upset about it.  If she hadn't mentioned it
nobody would have been the wiser.

[Nut44x4]

Muffyyyyyyy....can you put up the warning lock?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet ..

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=871.0

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

Lou ... I am not slandering John Silvetti.  If Kyle Kingmans words in his posts are not true ... then it is him who is slandering John Silvetti.

I do not slander anybody.  I have backup to all that I post.

Janet

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ldstlou
HMMMMMM! New Lawsuit and It Ain't Dr. Phil
« on: Today at 06:27:57 pm »

I was just tipped off to an upcoming lawsuit and it ain't Dr. Phil's!!

Me thinks you should not be slandering the names of good businessmen nor spitting on them either, especially businessmen with way more money than you and way more to lose by slander!

I guess some people think it can go on and on for months and not get tiresome. I think they guessed wrong!!

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=871.0

billb ... I sooo frustrated.  After reading Kyle Kingman's own words ... my quest to further  justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family dictates that I would not give John Silvetti the time of day.  I would spit on him.

Janet

[klaasend]

[wreck]

A lot of pieces are coming together, aren't they!! I detect a few bowels loosening this evening!!   

[Tamikosmom]

Lou ... slander or truth?  Your take?  I will read Gold Monkeys for your response.

Janet

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THE PERSISTENCE DECEPTION

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

John Silvetti

Kyle:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
 
Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:    He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Fabric - Tarp - Vertibre - Skull

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle:  The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle:   … John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand

Kyle:  I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form.  Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of  vertebrae.

Kyle: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle:  The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle:  In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand.  Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle: I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.

Kyle:  … Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.
 
Kyle: The blue tarp and blue fabric was confirmed by Richardson and Mos. Remember, they each only confirmed one piece. One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp. From the video you see both.

Kyle: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew.  In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.


klassend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

<snipped>

During that time, we learned Kyle had never contacted Beth, or Dave, or the FBI with this information.
 
We put our original plan into motion - that of presenting this information in a clear and concise manner, and we sent it to Beth Holloway.
 
Beth was disturbed, needed time to digest the information, and wanted to share it with someone she trusts.
 
When Tim Miller was returning to Aruba this past fall, Beth gave us permission to release this information publicly.
 
<snipped>

Nothing that was posted at SM by kermit was incorrect, out of context, or in any way false.
 
Regards,
 
Former Natalee's Freebirds Administrator

Natalee and her family deserve justice - and we will not let up until they have it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

[Keepthefaith]

A lot of pieces are coming together, aren't they!! I detect a few bowels loosening this evening!!   

Don't make me have to put on my Feces suit Wreck!

[texasmom]

2/17/2009 Solo di Pueblo

Front Page:



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http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=26&Itemid=2


Papiamentu translation:

life time network will debuta the pelicula “the natalee holloway story” sta. cruz -- lifetime network that is conoci for documento casonan of life regal is pasando one comercial at where they're informa cu soon they will have the premiere of the pelicula of natalee holloway. we all can corda bek con some year happen, hendenan of sony tv, owing to come aruba together cu beth twitty y where they owing to filma one cantidad of sitionan at aruba. everybody owing to critica the time here con they owing to march enter y haci comosifuera aruba is of they y owing to haci one wing of filmacion. have all indicacion cu this now is cla for estrena. if do not in feburary still will is in march or principio of april. the pelicula owing to wordo work basa upstairs the boeki of beth twitty y all thing el’a see y con el’a experencia the perdida of natalee. then this assure will go back become topico of day, hour cu much will is esnan cu wanted see the film here. this is happen via the canal life time cu can being see upstairs cable tv of aruba.

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Papiamentu translation:

atencion minister of husticia y korpschef: while have one hobencita of 13 year 5 day perdi; sindicato of police is calling meeting of urgencia for problem in spa kico police is haciendo for achieve know paradero of the hobencita of 13 year? sta. cruz -- have one hobencita cu already is bayendo for 5 day cu el’a desaparece y do not hear nothing of police. do not mucho time happen cu in one caso similar the aruban vicenso tromp owing to lose y police did take the call of the parents because; joke y owing to think cu the will return, but without result. now we is in day 5 y not can owing to feel none efecto of police, none conferencia of prensa for so haci call y forza one solucion for her caso here. kico genuinely can is pasando? none person know. according the mother, that owing to conversa cu sun of people yesterday, the ultimo day cu el’a see his child is diahuebs nightfall for 4’or. his child muher never owing to huy of cas y not have none type of bad comportacion for can arrive at think cu el’a bay, because the have problem at home. the mother owing to bay at home of all the amiganan y none not know of dje. kico is paradero of the young of 13 year here? if police not actua more coherente y aggressive will happen same cu owing to happen in another caso, where never more is achieve hear algo of the person provided that cuestion. we is at time still y people wanted hear of police kico all is wordo haci. have detencion? owing to verhoor the amiganan? owing to verhoor amigonan? owing to vehoor mother y father for can documenta this? have one investigacion deep is tumando lugar? impresion of people is cu in the asunto of vicenso tromp, polisnan owing to abort of actua at time y is after of several day cu the not owing to return more, owing to cuminza mobiliza. today we can see cu spa is calling conferencia of urgencia cu his miembronan. que hubo for spa haci one busqueda intensivo for her hobencita here? sun of people is haci one call of caracter of urgencia at minister of husticia y at korpschef for take the asunto here at earnest y considera this of is one acto cu is impermisibel cu person is lose at aruba just zomaar. this not mag of become custumber y we is exigi cu all forza for busca right of the hobencita provided that cuestion. -pa natalee holloway owing to actuate cielo y ground, just because the is mericano y for presion!-

[Magnolia]

private eye
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:07 PM » 

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I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
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[texasmom]

Klaas or another mod, please add this link to my last post.

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=26&Itemid=2

TIA

[Tamikosmom]

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:07 PM » 

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I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
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Thank Magnolia.  Private eye's word are logic ... just plan logic.  Why does Lou and her friends not comprehend it.

If Lou or one of her friends will not clearly state with backup on the Gold Monkey's forum that Kyle Kingman is outright lying in ever one of his posts that imply that John Silvetti was a participant in the great Aruban coverup up ... my part-time job on the SM forum will be to cut and paste ... cut and paste.  All the time and effort that I have spent on Natalee Holloway forums in the past almost four years is to expose the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing.  I am not about to stop now just because Kyle Kingman implicates an American as a participants in the coverup.

Janet

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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.    The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.200


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245
 

[Keepthefaith]

private eye
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 01:08:07 PM » 

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I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.
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Thank Magnolia.  Private eye's word are logic ... just plan logic.  Why does Lou and her friends not comprehend it.

If Lou or one of her friends will not clearly state with backup on the Gold Monkey's forum that Kyle Kingman is outright lying in ever one of his posts that imply that John Silvetti was a participant in the great Aruban coverup up ... my part-time job on the SM forum will be to cut and paste ... cut and paste.  All the time and effort that I have spent on Natalee Holloway forums in the past almost four years is to expose the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing.  I am not about to stop now just because Kyle Kingman implicates an American as a participants in the coverup.

Janet

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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.    The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.200


private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245
 

LOGIC DICTATES JANET. If you can't refute it.You must distract!

[Magnolia]

If the Persistence had set out to search for Natalee as their sole purpose,
they would have had divers on board at all times as well as some member
of American law enforcement.

To leave themselves at the mercy of Aruban divers without even one
American diver to accompany the Arubans on the dive is just totally absurd.

If their purpose was actually to find Natalee, they would not even have notified
the Aruban authorities, knowing their history, until they had checked the site.

Silvetti was on another mission. IMO

[2NJSons_Mom]

KeeptheFaith,

Just wanted you to know that I finally was able to see the info on that link about Richard Stanford, thanks to your instruction.

I have been in and out of here.  Family function during the day tomorrow and another for a friend tomorrow night.     

[San]

If the Persistence had set out to search for Natalee as their sole purpose,
they would have had divers on board at all times as well as some member
of American law enforcement.

To leave themselves at the mercy of Aruban divers without even one
American diver to accompany the Arubans on the dive is just totally absurd.

If their purpose was actually to find Natalee, they would not even have notified
the Aruban authorities, knowing their history, until they had checked the site.

Silvetti was on another mission. IMO

Exactly.  It's like going fishing without a pole.

[Keepthefaith]

If the Persistence had set out to search for Natalee as their sole purpose,
they would have had divers on board at all times as well as some member
of American law enforcement.

To leave themselves at the mercy of Aruban divers without even one
American diver to accompany the Arubans on the dive is just totally absurd.

If their purpose was actually to find Natalee, they would not even have notified
the Aruban authorities, knowing their history, until they had checked the site.

Silvetti was on another mission. IMO

Very Logical Magnolia.Doesn't take a brain surgeon!Instead they had Eduardo on The Persistence everyday..IIRC

[Keepthefaith]

KeeptheFaith,

Just wanted you to know that I finally was able to see the info on that link about Richard Stanford, thanks to your instruction.

I have been in and out of here.  Family function during the day tomorrow and another for a friend tomorrow night.     

He may not be related to Robert A.Stanford!He is from the Houston area.Names could be common.There are other relationships to connect though.I've been fairly busy as well and will take a little more time tonight!

[2NJSons_Mom]

If the Persistence had set out to search for Natalee as their sole purpose,
they would have had divers on board at all times as well as some member
of American law enforcement.

To leave themselves at the mercy of Aruban divers without even one
American diver to accompany the Arubans on the dive is just totally absurd.

If their purpose was actually to find Natalee, they would not even have notified
the Aruban authorities, knowing their history, until they had checked the site.

Silvetti was on another mission. IMO

Magnolia,

I agree. 

After you posted the Feb. 2008 post info, I looked at others.  There are posts where OE states that they dove on various spots.  I wanted to quote them, but got distracted, here.  When he says we dove...it now does raise a question in my mind.  If I have time, I will try to find again the post(s) I am referring to.