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« Reply #800 on: February 23, 2009, 05:06:21 PM »


Thanks IM; About this part below...

"Then there are reports that Haleigh’s father has been angry and abusive toward the victim’s biological mother and other reports indicating that investigators from the Florida Department of Children and Family Services have investigated the current Cummings home.

These are some of the elements of the investigation that force investigators to continue to take a hard look at Ron Cummings and his teenage girlfriend in the disappearance of 3 foot tall, blond-haired, brown-eyed Haleigh, the child with the special birthmark on her left cheek."


Apparently the investigators are also "taking a hard look" at Ron and Misty, so it looks like we aren't alone in our suspicions; and the suspicions  are ostensibly not completely unfounded if investigators are covering those bases as well.

Has anything else been detailed about the "reports" by Florida Dept of Children and Family Services? Like what was the reason for the visit to the home? I imagine there are confidentiality concerns there for public release, but I'm not familiar with Sunshine Laws at all if or when something becomes relevant to a criminal issue.
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« Reply #801 on: February 23, 2009, 05:08:03 PM »

Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

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« Reply #802 on: February 23, 2009, 05:24:46 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong and I'll have to paraphrase here, but why is it during these press conferences with LE that when asked, for example,  if the cousin is a suspect, the answer is a flat, "NO, he's been questioned, and he is not a suspect."

Then when asked about Ron and Misty - whether they are suspects or persons of interest, LE says "Everyone is a suspect. We don't know who has Haleigh b/c if we knew that we'd have Haleigh with us now; but we don't have Haleigh; We don't know where she is and we need to find her. And polygraphs of many people are going on at this time as we speak."

WHA? Is there not a simple yes or no?

Also, why hasn't Crystal been given a poly? Or could she have been and not allowed to say it? But Ron and Misty were allowed to say so.  As the bio mom seems she would be..... unless someone else already failed and Crystal's poly was deemed not needed. But it still seems she would likely be given a poly as bio mom.

Also, is it typical when parents or guardians are given polys and they pass, doesn't LE usually say so right off? Or am I misremembering?
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« Reply #803 on: February 23, 2009, 05:25:39 PM »

My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 
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« Reply #804 on: February 23, 2009, 05:42:53 PM »

The first call came in at 3:27. The SD responded at 3:50.
She said she frantically searched around. Ron came home 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing.
I looked at the first police report. 
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« Reply #805 on: February 23, 2009, 05:50:05 PM »

Sorry, SD responded at 3:40.
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She called no one, not even him.
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To me, that is big. If it is correct that he works 16 miles away, he could have been home
by 3:10. Or sooner if he left work a few minutes earlier than 3 am. No traffic at 3 am.
Guy is a hot head at the least.   
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« Reply #806 on: February 23, 2009, 05:59:54 PM »

Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

    

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713










 
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« Reply #807 on: February 23, 2009, 06:01:22 PM »

My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 

Misty actually says it was 3, I saw a 3 on the clock and did not notice or remember the minutes, so it could of been 3:20 for all we know.
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« Reply #808 on: February 23, 2009, 06:03:46 PM »

Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

   

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.
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« Reply #809 on: February 23, 2009, 06:06:09 PM »

Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

www.firstcoastnews.com


Was this on TV?  I couldn't find the article in the news online.  I wonder what the paper was he gave to LE.  You mean LE and Ron were on the dock and Ron gave LE a paper?  And notes, what would he need to take notes for and what about??
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« Reply #810 on: February 23, 2009, 06:11:36 PM »

My understanding of the 911 call and what happened the first night :
Misty finds Haleigh gone at somewhere around 3 am.
No call is made to 911 until Ron gets home from work.
He works 16 miles away and worked until 3 am.
Do we know if she called him while he was in the route home ?
I understood that the first he heard of this was when he got home and she told him.
So, there is a small window of time opportunity, from 3:15 to whenever the first call was, about 3:40 when they were both home.
Now, I am going to look to find some facts as I am going by memory.
 

Misty actually says it was 3, I saw a 3 on the clock and did not notice or remember the minutes, so it could of been 3:20 for all we know.

I'm sorry in the police report she does say 3am, in the interview must be where she changed it to the 3, i just saw a 3 on the clock and didn't notice or remember the numbers.  My fault.
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« Reply #811 on: February 23, 2009, 06:12:25 PM »

About Crystal and Geraldo and the fireworks the other night, could it be that  LE gave her permission to spill the beans? I mean it seems likely that everything that she said to Geraldo would have been things that she would have likely already shared with LE. There wouldn't be a reason for her not to tell LE of her concerns right?

Also, I wonder if after the recent additional 4-5 hr questioning of Misty the other day, if LE urged Crystal to talk to Geraldo about these incidents in order to put pressure of some sort of Ron; and Geraldo was just a player in the process.

I have a question about the domestic viiolence injunction violation of Ron's. I'm not familiar with this, so maybe someone who is will answer this. When a domestic violence injunction is issued, does that mean that there is proven domestic violence? Or can these restraining orders (is that the same as "injunction?") be issued on allegations alone?
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« Reply #812 on: February 23, 2009, 06:13:49 PM »

daughter2 wants to know why the babysitter/gf gets to smoke on tv... she says the law is you cannot smoke till you are 18....... has she been cited for it?
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« Reply #813 on: February 23, 2009, 06:14:02 PM »

Good Morning Everyone, Oh yeah, Good Afternoon! 

Maybe they are not clearing Misty and Ron because if it is a SO he may slip up, think hey the LE are looking at them so I don't need to worry so much.  Just a thought. 

Also LE held the Ramsey house forever it seemed as a crime scene, of course there was a body involved here.

I still have gotten no answers or speculation on Tapes/CD's that were seized from the home, does anyone know what these could be??? 
Yes, I was wondering about the tapes/CDs also. It seems we heard a mention of them and then nothing more. I wasn't even clear on whether it was video tape or answering machine tape  or what (Altho aren't answering machine "tapes" sort of obsolete now?) .


I have talk to some people who new drug users to use the lids of the cd's tape to snort the drugs also put the drugs in cd tapes in small plactic bags....

I could ask my brother...

I'll tell you when I first saw this on the police report I immediatly thought child porn!
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« Reply #814 on: February 23, 2009, 06:14:31 PM »

Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

   

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.

I agree!  And yes, it IS scary!  Seems Haleigh was surrounded by SO's, either in her own extended family, and then the neighbors.  Seems the landlord's in that neighborhood must have hung out a welcome sign for any and all SO's.  Dunno if this dude is part of this Griffis family or not, still checking into him. 

I've never met up with or heard of a family who has so many SO's in it from one side or another.  It mind-boggling!

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« Reply #815 on: February 23, 2009, 06:16:26 PM »

Today the fiance of Crystal was picked up for questioning again. Ron went to a dock with LE and handed them over a piece of paper he was said to have been taking notes during this ordeal. This is per First Coast News at 5.

www.firstcoastnews.com


Was this on TV?  I couldn't find the article in the news online.  I wonder what the paper was he gave to LE.  You mean LE and Ron were on the dock and Ron gave LE a paper?  And notes, what would he need to take notes for and what about??
I couldn't find the article either, why wouldn't he go to the sheriff's dept, why a dock to hand over a paper? Maybe he was taking notes like Cindy Anthony. This is just plain crazy, and it seems everytime you turn around another SO appears.
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« Reply #816 on: February 23, 2009, 06:16:47 PM »

Ok, this is in the gossip category. Source : Fox Orlando blog, the Caylee case.
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The day of the " missing " , Crystal was found in contempt of court.
Back child support plus health insurance premiums. 
According to the poster who called Ms. Neves, the total was now 17,000.00. That seems rather high given the length of time the kids were in Ron's care.
We have drug offenses, a custody issue, a money issue, cousins who are molesters, So's quite close, cousins who are criminals, allegations of physical abuse against the child.
And in steps Geraldo.
   
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« Reply #817 on: February 23, 2009, 06:18:27 PM »

Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

   

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.
Wow, so he's 35 and he was 23 when he was charged with committing  an act of (pasted from link)

"LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL) "

 I didn't see if it said how old the child under 16 was. Yikes.
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« Reply #818 on: February 23, 2009, 06:20:45 PM »

Ok, this is in the gossip category. Source : Fox Orlando blog, the Caylee case.
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The day of the " missing " , Crystal was found in contempt of court.
Back child support plus health insurance premiums. 
According to the poster who called Ms. Neves, the total was now 17,000.00. That seems rather high given the length of time the kids were in Ron's care.
We have drug offenses, a custody issue, a money issue, cousins who are molesters, So's quite close, cousins who are criminals, allegations of physical abuse against the child.
And in steps Geraldo.
   
Does Crystal even have a job, and if she does I can't imagine her paying. And why is Chad the bio mom's finance being questioned again for?
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« Reply #819 on: February 23, 2009, 06:20:54 PM »

Anyone know the bio mom Crystal's address?  Doesn't she live in Glen St. Mary FL?  Well her mother Marie married Bruce Griffis. 

And looky here, another Registered Sex Offender! 

   

Samuel Buster Griffis
living on Griffis Rd in Glen St. Mary FL

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=713
 

Wyks  I don't want to!!  I swear w/all the SO's around this little girl, it's a miracle she's lasted this long.  It's very scary how many are within her own family.
Wow, so he's 35 and he was 23 when he was charged with committing  an act of (pasted from link)

"LEWD,LASCIVIOUS CHILD U/16; F.S. 800.04 (PRINCIPAL) "

 I didn't see if it said how old the child under 16 was. Yikes.

According to another forum, the girl was 12 at the time.   
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