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« Reply #620 on: February 24, 2009, 10:10:36 AM »

WHAT WAS JOHN SILVETTI REALLY AFTER?

John Silvetti was contacted by Louis Schaeffer. 
Louis Schaeffer was contacted by TES.

Did TES approach Schaeffer for a donation?  Plausible as they most likely contact all big money who regularly give to to charities. 

Did Schaeffer view TES as a tool he might use to make a survey of the Aruban waters to discover a way to set up offshore drilling and save his floundering company?
Did Schaeffer contact Silvetti to obtain the equipment and expertise for his search without having to pay for it?  After all, Schaeffer was trying to fund a very expensive, last ditch effort.

It seems apparent what Schaeffer was after.  But what did John Silvetti want?  I speculate he was after money, too, but not in the form of oil.  Silvetti seems very intent on motivating others to raise funds for him.  Beth, Dave, the head of the Hotel Assoc. on Aruba...  Silvetti's company "normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters."  Is this like treasure hunting?  Is Silvetti a modern-day treasure hunter?  a scavenger?  a looter? 

I'm just rambling... pay me no mind.

Hi AZLady.  I don't know the answers, but I have seen "shipwrecks" a few times...


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http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=054bac688bc7c40c

Captain Elliott’s sells fishing operations

By Hunter Sauls
The Facts   

Published January 4, 2008

FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.

Last January, the owners of Captain Elliott’s said they would be closing shop due to lack of profit and increased restrictions on red snapper fishing, their main attraction.

Since then, Kemah resident Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International Inc., a worldwide commercial diving company, has bought the two boats and is expected to close on a deal to buy the docks and buildings next month, said Casey Cundieff, vice president of Captain Elliott’s.

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Schaefer is not stopping there. He has also purchased the Bed and Breakfast next door to the docks, and the purchase of a new “expedition” ship is in the works, said Underwater Expeditions operations manager Jamie Stovall.

“If we’re going to do this, we’re going to do it right,” Stovall said. “We’re really excited about this acquisition.”

Until Underwater Expeditions can get a hold of their own boat, Schaefer is financing expeditions on other boats. One such expedition is currently out in Caribbean waters off Aruba looking for the remains of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama high school senior whose 2005 disappearance became a media sensation.

“We are also going to explore some sunken shipwrecks — for treasure,” Stovall said.


These expeditions are an interesting part of this investment, but not very profitable, Stovall said. The charter tour operations should make Underwater Expeditions break even, at least, he said.

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12/2007:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285
Kyle Kingman:  Here's my personal feeling on the whole thing:
Personally, I much prefer searching for lost shipwrecks.  They are much bigger and typically don't have living enemies.

01/2008:  http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xiv-search-area.html
John Silvetti:  65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar.

02/2008:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg357890;topicseen#msg357890
Kyle Kingman:  The only mention by us about finding anything other than shipwrecks was buried in one posting on our blog where we said samples were recovered and sent for analysis.

03/2008:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360294#msg360294
Private Eye:  What I want to know Ocean Ex is did you see any sunken treasures?
Kyle Kingman:  Well, if I sent the sunken treasure information to the FBI it would be posted somewhere on the Internet already lol.


So, of those 65 ROV dives - how many were on shipwrecks?  http://nholloway.blogspot.com/




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« Reply #621 on: February 24, 2009, 10:18:13 AM »

10 days before the Ranger Rover confession Kyle met downtown in public with Mos
(date tapes were released, Jan. 31 st is when Beth saw them with DeVries)


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Anyone have handy the date when Range Rover confession was actually taped?  I know that the Peter R. DeVries show aired on 2/03/08... 

 I am not positive but I remember it being said that they were in the middle of filming the Range Rover
tapes and Mos had Joran and the Kalpoes rearrested.  That was the 29th or 30th of Nov, 2007.

That was one reason that Joran couldn't be jailed after the Range Rover confession aired


I will add that it had 'leaked' that someone in NL had been secretly recording Joran.
I think it was Lazlo at RU that leaked that.
I think Mos had a card up his sleeve when he had the three rearrested.

Lazlo posted on Nov 29, 2007 at RU

No one from the OM has claimed the new evidence was Joran talking to Kalpoes, but Joran talking to a friend. IMO

I don't know if Joran and Kalpoes's phones were tapped prior to their detention. 


This was before the Range Rover confession became public knowledge.
J2K had been rearrested on Nov 23.  Joran in NL; Kalpoes in Aruba due to new evidence.
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« Reply #622 on: February 24, 2009, 10:27:31 AM »

The interviews in the Range Rover were created after the release of Joran, in December 2007 and / or January 2008.
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« Reply #623 on: February 24, 2009, 10:32:44 AM »

The intention was to do it earlier, but after the arrest of Joran it was only possible after the release of Joran.
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« Reply #624 on: February 24, 2009, 10:33:50 AM »


I contend that it is impossible to put CAPS posts into any logical perspective other than his attempt to distract from the contents of the cage/trap which is indicated in one of his first posts on the forum.  The words of his first posts to the Natalee Holloway discussion attempts to diverts attention away from the ocean in regards to the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body ... away from the Marriott beach ... setting the stage for the pond witness.

CAPS articulates in perfect English in some posts while others appear to be writting by someone who does not grasp the English language.  His theories keep changing.  His research is flawed or he purposely provides misinformation.  CAPS Deceptively attempts to portray ignorance in regards to who Natalee Holloway's family members are.
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« Reply #394 on: January 27, 2008, 03:27:58 PM »


No no

The question is like this

Joran said that they drop the body near the Mariotte are, fishermans hut. but it is not the body that was drop. something else was drop.  Joran self was not there, it was the young MIU and the Shivas that went over there but not to build sand casle.

The KALOES (SURINAM) MOBS must have drop someting over there so that The MIU can recovert it and with the f16 send to holland.

but the real body was dumped in a body of water in noord that has not been search

The MUI was a diversion for something else.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332992#msg332992


Janet,

Here are two examples I had of Caps early posts that were, to me, just disgusting and appalling.  Each for different reasons, as I'm sure you'll understand.


1.  01/22/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg331197#msg331197
Ok Summary:

They were 12 but 2 got arrested and 10 more to go form this party hosted by #5, At the party they where repeating what she did a week ago with this casino boy. (making a film). everyone in the casino has seen it. The taxi drivers role (2K) was to bring her to this party. This party was at the casablanca. at the party gate the taxi driver (2k) where no allowed in. there was a heated discussion and they left waiting outside. Joran was inside.

Yes it is him.

Read the clues.

The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers.



2.  01/25/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg332051#msg332051

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HAVE SHAKEN THE WIRE, DIRTYHANDS CONSORT TO TOURIST HEAD, DIRTYHANDS IN POWERS HARBOUR.

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DO NOT SEND POSSE, POSSE DO NOT HAVE POWERS ON INDIANS, SEND IN THE POSSE WITH POWERS TO RECOVER MARY.

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« Reply #625 on: February 24, 2009, 10:35:28 AM »

The interviews in the Range Rover were created after the release of Joran, in December 2007 and / or January 2008.

It appears you are correct.  I just checked the thread started on Patrick's book and there are references to specific dates in January, 2008.  Thank you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0
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« Reply #626 on: February 24, 2009, 10:45:59 AM »

The interviews in the Range Rover were created after the release of Joran, in December 2007 and / or January 2008.

It appears you are correct.  I just checked the thread started on Patrick's book and there are references to specific dates in January, 2008.  Thank you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0

Indeed, from the book by Patrick van der Eem, called "Overboard"
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« Reply #627 on: February 24, 2009, 10:46:33 AM »


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From here to Aruba

BY JEFF MOORE, THE DAILY IBERIAN
Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST

An expedition to search the waters off Aruba for the remains of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway leaves today from the Port of Iberia.

The research vessel Persistence, owned by the Lafayette-based Silvetti Group, will make the 10-day journey to the island. A 20- to 25-man crew will spend at least two weeks surveying the sea floor for Holloway, who has been missing since May 30, 2005.

Holloway, 18, was last seen leaving a bar with three men hours before she was scheduled to fly home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation.

Last week, police re-arrested the three men, prompting her father to re-launch the search in deep waters.

John Silvetti said his company became involved in the search after he was contacted by Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International. Schaefer had been approached by Texas Equusearch, a non-profit organization that has been searching for Holloway for more than two years.

Schaefer asked Silvetti if he could provide the survey personnel and the geophysical equipment required for the search. After spending a weekend with Schaefer and Pam and Dave Holloway, Silvetti agreed.

“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

Silvetti agreed to provide his equipment and primary survey vessel at well below cost, with Schaefer covering all out-of-pocket expenses. Silvetti said his staff volunteered its services for the project as well.

“They said ‘You don’t even have to pay me. I just want to help,’” Silvetti said. “That just tells me we’ve got the right people on board.”

Marc Broussard, project manager for the Silvetti Group, said the company normally performs surveys looking for oil rigs and downed helicopters. Now, it will be using its high-resolution SONAR equipment to look for a body.

To upgrade its systems for the terrain in Aruba, Broussard said the Silvetti Group looked to its vendors, two of which are based in New Iberia.

Seatronics, located at the Port of Iberia, agreed to donate some of its high-tech electronic equipment to scan the ocean floor.

“I told (Silvetti) any opportunity that we had to go in on such a good cause, we would go in on it,” said Erik McGuire, vice president of Seatronics Inc.

“We’re more than happy to give the best effort possible to recover this girl for her family.”

Pro Log Inc. also stepped forth to provide a command center building where all of the surveying equipment will be stored. Like many people around the country, Pro Log Human Resources Director Heidi Parker said she has been following Holloway’s disappearance closely.

“We’re a family-owned business, so family is very important to us,” Parker said. “Anything we can do to help this family out is something that we’re going to do.”

After more than two years of searching, Texas Equusearch office manager Cheryl Lawless said she is hoping the organization’s fifth trip to Aruba will be its last. She said the venture would not be possible without the help of Schaefer, Silvetti and the other local companies.

“Nothing is being done to gain name recognition. This is to help these people,” Silvetti said. “Most of us have watched this on television, and I can only imagine the horror any parent would go through searching for their child in a foreign country.”


BETRAYAL!!!


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

John Silvetti

Kyle:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.

Kyle:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
 
Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle: Mr. Red Shirt came on the Persistence along with Dolf, Mos, et al for the meeting on the 30th."

Kyle:   This is certainly NOT John Silvetti. I do not know this man. He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.

Kyle:   John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.

Kyle:   He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle:   The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
 
Kyle:  They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle: Remember after the Jan-7th dive which sampled the trap Richardson told John emphatically to "keep searching she's still out there in the deep ocean".

Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days. (05/08/08)

Kyle: He's [John Silvetti] seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that. (06/10/08)

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« Reply #628 on: February 24, 2009, 11:02:22 AM »


I contend that it is impossible to put CAPS posts into any logical perspective other than his attempt to distract from the contents of the cage/trap which is indicated in one of his first posts on the forum.  The words of his first posts to the Natalee Holloway discussion attempts to diverts attention away from the ocean in regards to the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body ... away from the Marriott beach ... setting the stage for the pond witness.

CAPS articulates in perfect English in some posts while others appear to be writting by someone who does not grasp the English language.  His theories keep changing.  His research is flawed or he purposely provides misinformation.  CAPS Deceptively attempts to portray ignorance in regards to who Natalee Holloway's family members are.
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No no

The question is like this

Joran said that they drop the body near the Mariotte are, fishermans hut. but it is not the body that was drop. something else was drop.  Joran self was not there, it was the young MIU and the Shivas that went over there but not to build sand casle.

The KALOES (SURINAM) MOBS must have drop someting over there so that The MIU can recovert it and with the f16 send to holland.

but the real body was dumped in a body of water in noord that has not been search

The MUI was a diversion for something else.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332992#msg332992


Janet,

Here are two examples I had of Caps early posts that were, to me, just disgusting and appalling.  Each for different reasons, as I'm sure you'll understand.


1.  01/22/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg331197#msg331197
Ok Summary:

They were 12 but 2 got arrested and 10 more to go form this party hosted by #5, At the party they where repeating what she did a week ago with this casino boy. (making a film). everyone in the casino has seen it. The taxi drivers role (2K) was to bring her to this party. This party was at the casablanca. at the party gate the taxi driver (2k) where no allowed in. there was a heated discussion and they left waiting outside. Joran was inside.

Yes it is him.

Read the clues.

The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers.



2.  01/25/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg332051#msg332051

CAPSLOCKWIZARD SAYS:

HAVE SHAKEN THE WIRE, DIRTYHANDS CONSORT TO TOURIST HEAD, DIRTYHANDS IN POWERS HARBOUR.

CODES ARE SAVE, MOVING IN VERY DANGER ZONES.

DO NOT SEND POSSE, POSSE DO NOT HAVE POWERS ON INDIANS, SEND IN THE POSSE WITH POWERS TO RECOVER MARY.



Thank you Lifesong

I truly cannot comprehend CAPS following no matter how hard I try ... a following that upholds him no matter which direction away from the truth he leads.  I considered him deception personified from the first post I read that was submitted by him.



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« Reply #629 on: February 24, 2009, 11:03:51 AM »



Thanks for the dates/info on the Range Rover confessions, everyone.

I've got some other business to take care of over the next couple of days, but will be checking in on the thread regularly and working on the timeline, I do want to get the sourcing cleared up before I go back to adding more information.

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Thanks for the dates/info on the Range Rover confessions, everyone.

I've got some other business to take care of over the next couple of days, but will be checking in on the thread regularly and working on the timeline, I do want to get the sourcing cleared up before I go back to adding more information.




 

I will miss ya.

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« Reply #631 on: February 24, 2009, 11:08:38 AM »

This might get confusing, but I'll try and post it as clearly as I can.

I don't know if this confession Kyle was referring to actually ever happened, and the info was passed along to the Persistence by one of the "good guys" within ALE - or if it was one of the corrupt folk within ALE who told them, and it was all a sham.

Anyway - TWO confessions are being discussed in the following.

Kyle had told us there was a confession that influenced (to a degree) their search:

kyle wrote:

Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran. Also, the timing was long before the DeVries Land Rover taping began.

This is second hand, but someone came forward during the search anonymously claiming via a hotline that one of the former suspects (not Joran) told him that the body was disposed at sea. From what I recall, they said they took the body out as far as they could. No names or elaborations were given.
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here Kyle is discussing the Joran confession, and how Richardson played it out for all it was worth to get Persistence to remain in deep waters (I am removing his personal opinions of Mos and Richardson):

kyle wrote (discussing Mos and Richardson - and referring to Joran's confessions to Patrick):

The evidence for this is conflicting views and statements about the same question and actions towards us. Example: when we asked them both about the confession tapes giving any insight towards our search, Mos said it didn't add anything. Richardson said absolutely, you must keep searching WHERE you are. (we were 10 miles offshore - WAY out in deep water).
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« Reply #632 on: February 24, 2009, 11:52:09 AM »



Thanks for the dates/info on the Range Rover confessions, everyone.

I've got some other business to take care of over the next couple of days, but will be checking in on the thread regularly and working on the timeline, I do want to get the sourcing cleared up before I go back to adding more information.




 

I will miss ya.

Janet


Thanks, Janet.   

I have to admit, I'm not looking forward to it...


Jen - Thank you for that.
  Without giving us Kyle's statements, would you be comfortable giving just your impressions of his opinions of Mos and Richardson?  I think that might be interesting background having never met either one.  Either way, still grateful here!




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« Reply #633 on: February 24, 2009, 11:53:26 AM »

This might get confusing, but I'll try and post it as clearly as I can.

I don't know if this confession Kyle was referring to actually ever happened, and the info was passed along to the Persistence by one of the "good guys" within ALE - or if it was one of the corrupt folk within ALE who told them, and it was all a sham.

Anyway - TWO confessions are being discussed in the following.

Kyle had told us there was a confession that influenced (to a degree) their search:

kyle wrote:

Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran. Also, the timing was long before the DeVries Land Rover taping began.

This is second hand, but someone came forward during the search anonymously claiming via a hotline that one of the former suspects (not Joran) told him that the body was disposed at sea. From what I recall, they said they took the body out as far as they could. No names or elaborations were given.
------------------

here Kyle is discussing the Joran confession, and how Richardson played it out for all it was worth to get Persistence to remain in deep waters (I am removing his personal opinions of Mos and Richardson):

kyle wrote (discussing Mos and Richardson - and referring to Joran's confessions to Patrick):

The evidence for this is conflicting views and statements about the same question and actions towards us. Example: when we asked them both about the confession tapes giving any insight towards our search, Mos said it didn't add anything. Richardson said absolutely, you must keep searching WHERE you are. (we were 10 miles offshore - WAY out in deep water).


Why is there so much interaction between the crew of the Persistence and the "powers that be" in regards to the search effort to locate Natalee Holloway's remains.  Logic dictates that the enemy who had prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 and put a family through a H--- on Earth were on a mission to thwart any attempt to reveal the truth ... the truth that could implicate Joran or Paulus van der Sloot.

If there was no independent plan which did not embrace the illusion that the enemy would be of assistance prior to the Persistence undertaking ... if there was no independent plan in regards to the discovery and recovery of Natalee Holloway's remains ... a negative outcome from the Persistence undertaking was a given.

Dave Holloway and Tim Miller knew the dynamics encompassing the coverup ... the corrupt investigation.  Dave wrote a book ... CORRUPTION IN PARADISE.  Considering justice for Natalee and bringing her home to rest on American soil has motivated these two men from the getgo ... I do not get it!

 

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« Reply #634 on: February 24, 2009, 11:59:22 AM »

Good Morning All

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« Reply #635 on: February 24, 2009, 12:00:01 PM »



Thanks for the dates/info on the Range Rover confessions, everyone.

I've got some other business to take care of over the next couple of days, but will be checking in on the thread regularly and working on the timeline, I do want to get the sourcing cleared up before I go back to adding more information.




 

I will miss ya.

Janet


Thanks, Janet.   

I have to admit, I'm not looking forward to it...


Jen - Thank you for that.
  Without giving us Kyle's statements, would you be comfortable giving just your impressions of his opinions of Mos and Richardson?  I think that might be interesting background having never met either one.  Either way, still grateful here!






YW!!

Mmmmmm.................I can say that I get the impression Kyle's opinions mirror those of many here regarding Mos and Richardson.  To varying degrees.

Is that at all helpful?    I'm sorry - I would never want to put words in someone's mouth, so this is kind of hard for me. 
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« Reply #636 on: February 24, 2009, 12:08:26 PM »

 scratch    

This is where I am at the moment.  Jen, I think you did lose me with the 2 separate confessions, and then it snowballed from there.     
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« Reply #637 on: February 24, 2009, 12:10:47 PM »



Thanks for the dates/info on the Range Rover confessions, everyone.

I've got some other business to take care of over the next couple of days, but will be checking in on the thread regularly and working on the timeline, I do want to get the sourcing cleared up before I go back to adding more information.



 

I will miss ya.

Janet


Thanks, Janet.   

I have to admit, I'm not looking forward to it...


Jen - Thank you for that.
  Without giving us Kyle's statements, would you be comfortable giving just your impressions of his opinions of Mos and Richardson?  I think that might be interesting background having never met either one.  Either way, still grateful here!


YW!!

Mmmmmm.................I can say that I get the impression Kyle's opinions mirror those of many here regarding Mos and Richardson.  To varying degrees.

Is that at all helpful?    I'm sorry - I would never want to put words in someone's mouth, so this is kind of hard for me. 

No worries, Jen!  That will help. 

I do get it, you guys have been put in an impossible position. 

Ok, Monkeys - will you guys posts your own opinions of Mos and Richardson, not necessarily only as it relates to Jen's post, but what's different about your opinion of Mos vs. your opinion of Richardson.  Mos says one thing and Richardson says the other...so...



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« Reply #638 on: February 24, 2009, 12:17:47 PM »

scratch    

This is where I am at the moment.  Jen, I think you did lose me with the 2 separate confessions, and then it snowballed from there.     

Sorry - that wasn't clear as mud for you? 

Let me try again............

Supposedly there were TWO 'confessions' of sorts. 

One by Joran to Patrick that we all saw.

And one by a "former suspect" who is NOT Joran. 
This former suspect told someone that Natalee had been disposed of at sea - and that someone called it in to a hotline anonymously.

That happened during the beginnings of the Persistence's search (or at least it was reported to Persistence crew in the beginnings of their search).

Joran's confession to Patrick came later - and the ONLY impact it had on the search, was Richardson telling Persistence to look in "deep water" for her - saying the confession from Joran supports it.  (which it didn't, as we all know after seeing it). 
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« Reply #639 on: February 24, 2009, 12:20:06 PM »


I contend that it is impossible to put CAPS posts into any logical perspective other than his attempt to distract from the contents of the cage/trap which is indicated in one of his first posts on the forum.  The words of his first posts to the Natalee Holloway discussion attempts to diverts attention away from the ocean in regards to the disposal of Natalee Holloway's body ... away from the Marriott beach ... setting the stage for the pond witness.

CAPS articulates in perfect English in some posts while others appear to be writting by someone who does not grasp the English language.  His theories keep changing.  His research is flawed or he purposely provides misinformation.  CAPS Deceptively attempts to portray ignorance in regards to who Natalee Holloway's family members are.
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No no

The question is like this

Joran said that they drop the body near the Mariotte are, fishermans hut. but it is not the body that was drop. something else was drop.  Joran self was not there, it was the young MIU and the Shivas that went over there but not to build sand casle.

The KALOES (SURINAM) MOBS must have drop someting over there so that The MIU can recovert it and with the f16 send to holland.

but the real body was dumped in a body of water in noord that has not been search

The MUI was a diversion for something else.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg332992#msg332992


Janet,

Here are two examples I had of Caps early posts that were, to me, just disgusting and appalling.  Each for different reasons, as I'm sure you'll understand.


1.  01/22/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg331197#msg331197
Ok Summary:

They were 12 but 2 got arrested and 10 more to go form this party hosted by #5, At the party they where repeating what she did a week ago with this casino boy. (making a film). everyone in the casino has seen it. The taxi drivers role (2K) was to bring her to this party. This party was at the casablanca. at the party gate the taxi driver (2k) where no allowed in. there was a heated discussion and they left waiting outside. Joran was inside.

Yes it is him.

Read the clues.

The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers.



2.  01/25/08:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg332051#msg332051

CAPSLOCKWIZARD SAYS:

HAVE SHAKEN THE WIRE, DIRTYHANDS CONSORT TO TOURIST HEAD, DIRTYHANDS IN POWERS HARBOUR.

CODES ARE SAVE, MOVING IN VERY DANGER ZONES.

DO NOT SEND POSSE, POSSE DO NOT HAVE POWERS ON INDIANS, SEND IN THE POSSE WITH POWERS TO RECOVER MARY.




Natalee was not in Aruba earlier in the week.  There was no casino boy.  She was in Mt Brook and their plane arrived Thursday afternoon.

Why anyone would promote such is just beyond me.

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