Natalee Case Discussion #802 2/21/09 - 2/25/09

[Keepthefaith]

Wreck, Keepthefaith, Lifesong, ospainter, Lady Devon, nonesuche, MuffyBee, BUCKSHOT, SuzieQ or bc73 ...

Your turn.

 

Janet

Not it.Wreck??

 

[BUCKSHOT]

I know most readers and posters have already watched "Final Hours of Natalee Holloway", but it is on at 8pm tonight on E!. I just consider it a refresher course to get pissed off at Aruba, and the BS that those animals have caused the family to suffer through.

During the special, a couple things popped out at me:
(1) Paulus in casino. Instead of still photos, 2-3 second clip during E! special. The way the person's body moved solidified to me that it was indeed Paulus at that table. I have thought it before, but this confirmed it as certainty for me.
(2) Patrick, if not in on it, played the role of his life during this ordeal by selling the hell out of this story. No doubt, he cashed in on the situation.  Sensationalized big time. Crocodile tears and the whole nine yards.
(3) Not saying this is true, but based off of everything else that has been calculated and concocted by Aruba in its attempt to cover and control damage, it would not surprise me one bit if this whole scenario was concocted, MINUS THE PARTICIPATION OF PETER DEVRIES HIMSELF. Peter would not have been in on this, but possibly sold a bill of goods by an agenda.
(4) It is only logical that Joran called his father.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

[wreck]

Wreck, Keepthefaith, Lifesong, ospainter, Lady Devon, nonesuche, MuffyBee, BUCKSHOT, SuzieQ or bc73 ...

Your turn.

 

Janet

I have no doubt that the Silvetti group is now helping/assisting Tim. The question for me is "Why"? (since Silvetti is the one to Kick Tim off the Persistence on Dec. 30th)

[Tamikosmom]

I know most readers and posters have already watched "Final Hours of Natalee Holloway", but it is on at 8pm tonight on E!. I just consider it a refresher course to get pissed off at Aruba, and the BS that those animals have caused the family to suffer through.

During the special, a couple things popped out at me:
(1) Paulus in casino. Instead of still photos, 2-3 second clip during E! special. The way the person's body moved solidified to me that it was indeed Paulus at that table. I have thought it before, but this confirmed it as certainty for me.
(2) Patrick, if not in on it, played the role of his life during this ordeal by selling the hell out of this story. No doubt, he cashed in on the situation.  Sensationalized big time. Crocodile tears and the whole nine yards.
(3) Not saying this is true, but based off of everything else that has been calculated and concocted by Aruba in its attempt to cover and control damage, it would not surprise me one bit if this whole scenario was concocted, MINUS THE PARTICIPATION OF PETER DEVRIES HIMSELF. Peter would not have been in on this, but possibly sold a bill of goods by an agenda.
(4) It is only logical that Joran called his father.

 

[Lifesong]

I'm all caught up. 

KTF - You Are The Man! Great work!

I off to start following the links, but before I do I just wanted to say that....

I hope Tim Trahan is nowhere near any other searches for any other missing people, as based on his performance on December 30, 2007 in the ocean off the coast of Aruba it is my opinion that he must be the absolute worst diver anywhere, ever.


In this SM open forum post Kyle Kingman states:
To clarify the thumb down issue:

-It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive.
-One thumb up was to indicate human remains

-There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.
 
By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...
What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.  The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

[Keepthefaith]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Janet.If you make me have to deal with the paparazzi i will be very upset!

[Tamikosmom]

Wreck, Keepthefaith, Lifesong, ospainter, Lady Devon, nonesuche, MuffyBee, BUCKSHOT, SuzieQ or bc73 ...

Your turn.

 

Janet

I have no doubt that the Silvetti group is now helping/assisting Tim. The question for me is "Why"? (since Silvetti is the one to Kick Tim off the Persistence on Dec. 30th)

Obviously ... John Silvetti is providing Tim Miller (TES) with a lot of crucial resources.  Hey ... it gives me lump in my thoart and ... tears well up just going there.

I am going to write Tim Miller a letter from the heart with my concerns ... my frustrations regarding his ongoing relationship with John Silvetti.  I want to know why he did not write John Silvetti off when Kyle Kingman's words exposed the betrayal of all betrayals.

I will do this in the morning following a good night sleep.

Janet

[nonesuche]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Janet.If you make me have to deal with the paparazzi i will be very upset!

 

[Tamikosmom]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Janet.If you make me have to deal with the paparazzi i will be very upset!

Pleeeeeease.

[Keepthefaith]

I'm all caught up. 

KTF - You Are The Man! Great work!

I off to start following the links, but before I do I just wanted to say that....

I hope Tim Trahan is nowhere near any other searches for any other missing people, as based on his performance on December 30, 2007 in the ocean off the coast of Aruba it is my opinion that he must be the absolute worst diver anywhere, ever.


In this SM open forum post Kyle Kingman states:
To clarify the thumb down issue:

-It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive.
-One thumb up was to indicate human remains

-There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.
 
By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...
What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.  The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

We must give Kudos to VMS first and formost.He/she brought the link over which Jen3560 focused in on Legacy Offshore,which in turn i looked up..If the plaintiffs attorney's,as well as the SEC have this information.Schaefer and his boys better be going back offshore soon unless they've already got everything registered (offshore) and money stashed away (offshore)!JMOO

Let's see where the timeline takes us LifeSong.Wherever the TRUTH takes us!

[Magnolia]

Very interesting pattern's ehh Kermit?Legacy offshore.Another interesting one.ehhh Kermit?

Yes. I've been reading back. Great work Monkeys.

Keepthefaith, always 1, Kermit, casa, johan555, bastibro, Lifesong

ribbit

Speaking of drive-by`s 

baaa, baaa black sheep have you any wool?

I have goat wool.

[Keepthefaith]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Janet.If you make me have to deal with the paparazzi i will be very upset!

Pleeeeeease.

Here they come Janet!

[MuffyBee]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Someone say "buzzing?" 

[Tamikosmom]

I'm all caught up. 

KTF - You Are The Man! Great work!

I off to start following the links, but before I do I just wanted to say that....

I hope Tim Trahan is nowhere near any other searches for any other missing people, as based on his performance on December 30, 2007 in the ocean off the coast of Aruba it is my opinion that he must be the absolute worst diver anywhere, ever.


In this SM open forum post Kyle Kingman states:
To clarify the thumb down issue:

-It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive.
-One thumb up was to indicate human remains

-There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.
 
By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...
What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.  The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up.

The following is  my post from yesterday that pertains to the thumbs up/thumbs down topic.

Janet

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Kyle Kingman does not clarify anything in the following post.  If visibility prevented divers/Tim Trahan from conclusively determining the contents of the trap/cage ... why was Tim Miller put in the position of informing the family of Natalee Holloway that there was NOTHING case related in the cage/trap?

Logic dictates that Dave and Beth would have been informed that another dive would be necessary to conclusively determine if the contents of the cage/trap was related to their precious daughter.

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
Scottish author & novelist (1771 - 1832)

Janet
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oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #284 on: March 03, 2008, 11:34:25 PM »

To clarify the thumb down issue:

-It was agreed immediately before the 30-Dec dive that 2 thumbs up (by Tim Trahan) meant positive ID on Natalee from something conclusive.

-One thumb up was to indicate human remains

-There was no set signal pre-dive for anything but the above scenarios.
 
By Tim's own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive. His signal indicated an inconclusive observation referring to the object said by some to be a skull, a hardened sponge by others...

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up .

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360282#msg360282


+++++++++


The Search for Natalee Holloway
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

Chris Hansen: That had to be a crushing blow.

Tim Miller: It was a crushing blow.

Now Tim Miller had to deliver that same crushing blow to Natalee’s parents.

Chris Hansen: How hard is it for you to dial their numbers and tell them that this in fact is not the break in the case we-- we hoped for?

Tim Miller: Probably one of the hardest calls I ever made. Probably one of the hardest … probably should have never made the first one. But everything looked right at the time.

Natalee’s father was at home in Mississippi when the call came.

Chris Hansen: What was it like for you to, once again, have a setback?

Dave Holloway: That's probably about the time that-- the chest pains intensified to an extreme. I mean, how many times can I take this?

Beth Holloway: You know, it's a disappointment. But, you have to look at the magnitude and the sacrifices being made even to get to that point.

Chris Hansen: You didn't know these folks before this happened. What do they represent to you now?

Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

[Tamikosmom]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Someone say "buzzing?" 

 

[snoopy]

Take note.  Lou's post regarding the lawsuit can now only be viewed by members of the Gold Monkey's site.

Janet

______

INTIMIDATION MEANT TO SILENCE?

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18 -
« Reply #451 on: February 19, 2009, 02:21:24 AM »

billb ... I sooo frustrated.  After reading Kyle Kingman's own words ... my quest to further  justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family dictates that I would not give John Silvetti the time of day.  I would spit on him.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.msg679694#msg679694


ldstlou
HMMMMMM! New Lawsuit and It Ain't Dr. Phil
« on: Today at 06:27:57 pm »

I was just tipped off to an upcoming lawsuit and it ain't Dr. Phil's!!

Me thinks you should not be slandering the names of good businessmen nor spitting on them either, especially businessmen with way more money than you and way more to lose by slander!

I guess some people think it can go on and on for months and not get tiresome. I think they guessed wrong!!

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=871.0

Janet,
I would spit on him too.

 

Another lawsuit in the making.

Janet

Where I come from we say "I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire". lol   

I say........bring it.

Howdy monkeys.  Of course I'm way behind as usual.  haha

[Lifesong]

Hi KaaaTeeeF



Now if that does not get the forum buzzing ... nothing will.

Janet

Janet.If you make me have to deal with the paparazzi i will be very upset!

Pleeeeeease.

 

OMG - stop it!  Stop it right now!

 

       

[snoopy]

EXACTLY!!!

Somewhere along the way justice for Natalee Holloway took a backseat for some Monkeys  and ... upholding John Silvetti in his betrayal to Natalee's family was where it was at.

 

Janet

Sadly - that goal also took a back seat for a couple of Natalee's Freebirds - but it was in favor of Kyle, not Silvetti.

This stance was taken in the face of Beth requesting us to publish this information, no less. 

My heart was broken by some I had come to love and trust as though they were my own family.

It has been heartbreaking Jen, but you and all the Freebirds who were not swayed should stand tall.  You have been an amazing group of justice seekers just as the monkeys have been.  God Bless you.

[Tamikosmom]

I know most readers and posters have already watched "Final Hours of Natalee Holloway", but it is on at 8pm tonight on E!. I just consider it a refresher course to get pissed off at Aruba, and the BS that those animals have caused the family to suffer through.

During the special, a couple things popped out at me:
(1) Paulus in casino. Instead of still photos, 2-3 second clip during E! special. The way the person's body moved solidified to me that it was indeed Paulus at that table. I have thought it before, but this confirmed it as certainty for me.
(2) Patrick, if not in on it, played the role of his life during this ordeal by selling the hell out of this story. No doubt, he cashed in on the situation.  Sensationalized big time. Crocodile tears and the whole nine yards.
(3) Not saying this is true, but based off of everything else that has been calculated and concocted by Aruba in its attempt to cover and control damage, it would not surprise me one bit if this whole scenario was concocted, MINUS THE PARTICIPATION OF PETER DEVRIES HIMSELF. Peter would not have been in on this, but possibly sold a bill of goods by an agenda.
(4) It is only logical that Joran called his father.

Klaas has an excellent image that reveals the top of the "gentleman" head at the Black Jack table and ... a comparison photo.  These two photos leave no doubt.

Karin Janssen should have been able to confiscate the entire security video tape from the evening of May 29, 2005.

Janet

++++++++


THE CASINO VIDEO

Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006

PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-december-14th-2006-jossy-mansur/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

 
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE:  .... As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalee in the casino.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM
Missing Alabama teen last seen at casino
By Chuck Goudie

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339