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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 440778 times)
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« Reply #1420 on: November 08, 2009, 02:19:24 AM »

Hi Chi, this better work. I took what I thought to be qestions from your last post. Just to be safe I answered everything in Word, and then copied it here. I answered in red.
Was Amber alone in the house when she left for school?

yes

Amber's father and mother, along with the mother's boyfriend, all voluntarily
took and passed polygraph tests, Escondido police Lt. Bob Benton said earlier
this week. They have been ruled out as suspects, he said.

No one knows what happened to Amber, so really no one has been ruled out completely.

Garcia, the private investigator who said he has 17 years' experience, said
computers from both the mother's and father's homes are being searched by
authorities for any electronic clue the teen may have left.

EPD, FBI and a few others have gone through the computers.

In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.
...
One of Amber's classmates was the last person known to speak with Amber
the morning she disappeared. True

Garcia, the private investigator, likened his hunch to something not "clicking."
He also pointed to a series of phone calls that showed up on Amber's cell phone
records. When he called that number, the young man on the other line, he said,
denied knowing the teen. But Garcia said he later found out the number reportedly
belonged to a boyfriend of Amber's friend. This was further investigated, privately.

Benton said they have interviewed Amber's friends several times, as well as other
students at the school, and will continue to keep in contact with them as part of
the investigation. EPD has had continuous contact with Amberís friends

Please feel free to ask whatever you like and don't worry about my feelings there is nothing that hurts more then this!

Carrie

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« Reply #1421 on: November 08, 2009, 03:13:51 AM »

Why Are Our Children Vanishing?
Too many children and vanishing and parents need to take responsibility for the safety of their kids.

Los Angeles 11/02/2009 06:28 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

 

By Lawrence Olmstead
Licensed Private Investigator


It seems as if more and more people are vanishing every day.  Itís always been a concern of parents, but now you cannot leave your children out of your site.  What has happened to our world?  I remember a time where you could go out in the front yard, hang out with the neighborhood kids and even go inside your friendís house and make yourself at home.  Who is willing to let their kids play outside anywhere without keeping them within the distance of your voice?

The world has become a progressively more dangerous place for everyone, not just our children and itís got to do with a few of the things we all depend on every day.

Parents Ė well, there are too few families that have biological parents raising the kids.  Most children are being raised by single mothers who have their hands full no matter how many children they have.  Where are all the men, where are the fathers?  Some have simply walked out and others want to be part of their childís life, but if they canít afford the child support, the single mom elects to keep the kids away from dad.  Who is left to protect the children?  Predators are everywhere and do you think a single parents household is prepared to protect the children?  Too many children are raising themselves due to lack of parental supervision for whatever reason and the predators are where you least expect them.

Schools Ė Teacher pedophiles!  Unbelievable how many stories are out there related to teachers being pedophiles and some are actually women, molesting young boys.  If you donít believe me, click here and see all the results when you google search using the term teacher+pedophile.   It should make you sick.  The people we leave our children with who often spend more time with them than we do, are possibly gaining your childís confidence and slowly working a strategy to molest them.  How do we allow this to happen?  Why canít kids be safe at school?

Doctors Ė You would think you could trust your family doctor, but can you really?  Click her and see how many results you see when you google search doctor+pedophile.

Television Shows Ė Everything you see on television is sexually driven.  Everything from the news to music, movies, cartoons and obviously advertising.  In a society where sexuality is suppressed and exploited at the same time, what are the messages people receive?  Iím sure itís different for everyone, but damaging none the less.  It all comes down to money when we talk about the media and thatís all that matters.  Children and adults are being desensitized to all things.  We no longer identify with peopleís pain or feelings.  We see killings, mutilations, theft, rape and torture hundreds  of times a day on television if not thousands.  Is that what society really wants to see or is that all we have to choose from?

Video Games Ė Do you have any idea whatís going on with most video games our kids are playing?  Iíll tell you . . . they are killing everything that moves, they are encouraged to beat hookers and strippers, blow things up, run people over and steal cars.  This is a small segment of the things that video games are teaching kids.  How many hours a day do your kids play video games?

This is a brief glimpse into the picture of what is molding the minds of our future generations, not to mention that adult mind that is stimulated by the same things and acting out in violence, molestation, and murder.

I mention molestation and rape for one simple fact; most adults and children who are abducted, found dead or alive, are almost always the victim of a sexual assault.

I already can hear some readers complaining, ďHow can you blame the media for all the bad things people do to each other?Ē.  I donít blame the media, I blame parents and the family structure.  No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids.

Deterrence is the only way to protect your family from the pain of hearing your child is missing and once they have been found, if ever, you learned they were tortured,  repeatedly raped and murdered.  Pay attention to everything your children are interested in, learn what they do online, visit their teachers and coaches, see where their friends live and meet their friendís  parents.  Donít be afraid of being over protective.  If you feel uncomfortable with someone being around your child, take action and trust your instinct, itís there for a reason.

Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and Iím reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases Iím involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they wonít tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Protect your loved ones.  Know who they are coming into contact with and donít be afraid to offend someone if you are not comfortable with what you are feeling.  If you can take your kids to school, do it.  Most children vanish on their way to school.  Pay attention to your surroundings, talk to your kids, listen to what they have to say.  Trust no one, not even family members.  You are responsible for protecting your family and for building a strong family unit that can attend to the needs and protection your family unit requires.  If you see something happening in your own family that is not right, tell someone, report it to law enforcement, donít allow the worst to happen.

 

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« Reply #1422 on: November 08, 2009, 08:26:40 AM »

AmbersMom    Thank you for coming here and answering the questions that were asked.  I'm praying your daughter will be found  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1423 on: November 08, 2009, 10:10:44 AM »

Thanks to Carrie for the response.   Good luck.

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« Reply #1424 on: November 08, 2009, 12:57:20 PM »

Thank You Carrie for posting the letter by Lawrence Olmstead
He writes the words that the Nation as a whole needs to read and understand..



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« Reply #1425 on: November 08, 2009, 02:08:46 PM »

Why Are Our Children Vanishing?
Too many children and vanishing and parents need to take responsibility for the safety of their kids.

Los Angeles 11/02/2009 06:28 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

 

By Lawrence Olmstead
Licensed Private Investigator


It seems as if more and more people are vanishing every day.  Itís always been a concern of parents, but now you cannot leave your children out of your site.  What has happened to our world?  I remember a time where you could go out in the front yard, hang out with the neighborhood kids and even go inside your friendís house and make yourself at home.  Who is willing to let their kids play outside anywhere without keeping them within the distance of your voice?

The world has become a progressively more dangerous place for everyone, not just our children and itís got to do with a few of the things we all depend on every day.

Parents Ė well, there are too few families that have biological parents raising the kids.  Most children are being raised by single mothers who have their hands full no matter how many children they have.  Where are all the men, where are the fathers?  Some have simply walked out and others want to be part of their childís life, but if they canít afford the child support, the single mom elects to keep the kids away from dad.  Who is left to protect the children?  Predators are everywhere and do you think a single parents household is prepared to protect the children?  Too many children are raising themselves due to lack of parental supervision for whatever reason and the predators are where you least expect them.

Schools Ė Teacher pedophiles!  Unbelievable how many stories are out there related to teachers being pedophiles and some are actually women, molesting young boys.  If you donít believe me, click here and see all the results when you google search using the term teacher+pedophile.   It should make you sick.  The people we leave our children with who often spend more time with them than we do, are possibly gaining your childís confidence and slowly working a strategy to molest them.  How do we allow this to happen?  Why canít kids be safe at school?

Doctors Ė You would think you could trust your family doctor, but can you really?  Click her and see how many results you see when you google search doctor+pedophile.

Television Shows Ė Everything you see on television is sexually driven.  Everything from the news to music, movies, cartoons and obviously advertising.  In a society where sexuality is suppressed and exploited at the same time, what are the messages people receive?  Iím sure itís different for everyone, but damaging none the less.  It all comes down to money when we talk about the media and thatís all that matters.  Children and adults are being desensitized to all things.  We no longer identify with peopleís pain or feelings.  We see killings, mutilations, theft, rape and torture hundreds  of times a day on television if not thousands.  Is that what society really wants to see or is that all we have to choose from?

Video Games Ė Do you have any idea whatís going on with most video games our kids are playing?  Iíll tell you . . . they are killing everything that moves, they are encouraged to beat hookers and strippers, blow things up, run people over and steal cars.  This is a small segment of the things that video games are teaching kids.  How many hours a day do your kids play video games?

This is a brief glimpse into the picture of what is molding the minds of our future generations, not to mention that adult mind that is stimulated by the same things and acting out in violence, molestation, and murder.

I mention molestation and rape for one simple fact; most adults and children who are abducted, found dead or alive, are almost always the victim of a sexual assault.

I already can hear some readers complaining, ďHow can you blame the media for all the bad things people do to each other?Ē.  I donít blame the media, I blame parents and the family structure.  No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids.

Deterrence is the only way to protect your family from the pain of hearing your child is missing and once they have been found, if ever, you learned they were tortured,  repeatedly raped and murdered.  Pay attention to everything your children are interested in, learn what they do online, visit their teachers and coaches, see where their friends live and meet their friendís  parents.  Donít be afraid of being over protective.  If you feel uncomfortable with someone being around your child, take action and trust your instinct, itís there for a reason.

Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and Iím reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases Iím involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they wonít tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Protect your loved ones.  Know who they are coming into contact with and donít be afraid to offend someone if you are not comfortable with what you are feeling.  If you can take your kids to school, do it.  Most children vanish on their way to school.  Pay attention to your surroundings, talk to your kids, listen to what they have to say.  Trust no one, not even family members.  You are responsible for protecting your family and for building a strong family unit that can attend to the needs and protection your family unit requires.  If you see something happening in your own family that is not right, tell someone, report it to law enforcement, donít allow the worst to happen.

 

lawrence@hollywoodpi.info
www.hollywoodpi.info

I wish I knew how to bold! This is a great article. Having said that, I wonder who the two or three people are that are lying regarding Amber's case and what the terrible truth is? I wish he would have been more forth coming. The 9 month anniversary of Amber's disappearance is coming up and to my knowledge there are still not any leads. If Olmstead has something, he should come forward in my opinion!
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« Reply #1426 on: November 08, 2009, 09:23:30 PM »

OT ~  Sebastian, if you will go to the testing thread via the link I'm leaving, I've posted some directions on how to bold.  I hope you can understand them.  Someone may even come along and give better directions    But go to the link, and give it a try.  Practice.  I will check back in over there later on, maybe tomorrow or next day, depending if you get time to fool with it.  Good luck.  Muffy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.msg1008880#msg1008880
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« Reply #1427 on: November 08, 2009, 09:56:12 PM »

Snipped from Ambermom's posting
In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.


Interesting, so the friends lied to LE about this? Or amber lied to her friends about this? Also, one of Ambers friends had a boyfriend? I thought they didn't like boys yet? Isn't that what I read?


Sebatian I had the same question as you when I read that. Seemed like it was saying a lot without saying anything. 2 or 3 people? Not 1, hmmm. An ugly truth? Child trafficking, child porn or prostitution? Drug running? Which ugly truth because there are many! 
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« Reply #1428 on: November 08, 2009, 11:57:30 PM »

OT ~  Sebastian, if you will go to the testing thread via the link I'm leaving, I've posted some directions on how to bold.  I hope you can understand them.  Someone may even come along and give better directions    But go to the link, and give it a try.  Practice.  I will check back in over there later on, maybe tomorrow or next day, depending if you get time to fool with it.  Good luck.  Muffy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.msg1008880#msg1008880

Thank you so much Muffy!
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« Reply #1429 on: November 09, 2009, 12:04:35 AM »

Snipped from Ambermom's posting
In court documents obtained Friday by the North County Times, Escondido police
state that two of Amber's friends told a police detective Feb. 19 that the teenager
had told each of them she had been spending time online talking to boys.

One of her friends told officers she tried to dissuade Amber from doing so,
"due to her type of conversations that Amber stated she was talking about and
the dangers associated with this behavior," according to the search warrant
affidavit from Escondido police Officer Damon Vander Vorst.

This was found not to be true.


Interesting, so the friends lied to LE about this? Or amber lied to her friends about this? Also, one of Ambers friends had a boyfriend? I thought they didn't like boys yet? Isn't that what I read?


Sebatian I had the same question as you when I read that. Seemed like it was saying a lot without saying anything. 2 or 3 people? Not 1, hmmm. An ugly truth? Child trafficking, child porn or prostitution? Drug running? Which ugly truth because there are many! 

Hi Tracygirl!
I know that Amber's friend and Carrie both have told me that Amber was not talking online to boys and that it was a rumor. I need to ask Carrie if one of Amber's friends had a boyfriend because that keeps coming up and I too thought they did not. I am pretty sure that Amber's close friends were not dating, it may be someone who was an acquaintance. I have no idea what Olmstead was alluding too. In my opinion his wording implies personal knowledge of what may have happened to Amber. Two or three people? An ugly truth? This is bizarre in my opinion especially in light of the fact that Friday we will be meeting in front of City Hall in Escondido for Amber's nine month vigil. If Olmstead knows something, speak up for crying out loud!
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« Reply #1430 on: November 09, 2009, 06:25:05 PM »

I did not read the Lawrence letter proper...

Quote: Snip:
Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and Iím reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases Iím involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they wonít tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Lawrence...
 A drawn conclusion that may or may not be true but in my humble opinion it should not include any thought of accusation against the family members of Amber.
 We here have investigated quite a few missing person cases at Scared Monkeys, Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee as well as some other sites.. We have years of experience now since we began doing this.
 It is my humble opinion that this family of Amber is one of the most loving and concerned familes we have ever come across. ALL members are maimed by this loss, even though injured from this terrible loss, they are all diligent in there efforts to find Amber. Each one of them has there own way.. Yet ALL of them are dedicated in there effort to find thier child.. ALL
 This is not the child of Lawrence and it is very easy for people who are not directly connected to the loss of a loved one to make calus accusations and innuendos at family members when they become frustrated.
In the end I am sure you will see Ambers situation has nothing to do Carrie or Moe or Grandmom or the sister.
 It is not in good investigative form to make such a claim unless you have a smoking gun as we did with Casey in Florida. The mothers car had the evidence for such an accusation.
 There is no smoking gun in this case and ANYTHING is possible and I do believe that one or more of Ambers friends holds the key clue to solving this case..
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« Reply #1431 on: November 09, 2009, 09:44:26 PM »

Edward this man was speaking in reference to the family? I honestly didn't read it that way. If he indeed was, then I certainly do not agree with that claim at all! I don't think they have anything to do with Amber being missing. As I read it again I can see he could be referring to the family. Maybe he believes they did her in and disposed of her? Of course if that was the case why on earth would they try day after day to find her and keep her story out there?

I took it as there was some kind of group that took her, maybe a friends parent or a person she came in to contact with, they had a few people involved. You are right, unless there is a smoking gun, the family should be taken out of it. It is so easy for people to simply point to the family and as you made reference to, without cause. It is wrong, simply wrong and in this case, there is no cause to point at the family. 

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« Reply #1432 on: November 09, 2009, 11:01:11 PM »

I did not read the Lawrence letter proper...

Quote: Snip:
Yes, I sound bitter and maybe I am.  I have investigated thousands of missing person cases and Iím reminded of what predators are in our society every day when I review the cases Iím involved with.  Most recently, the Amber Dubois case out of Escondido, California.  Amber is a 15 year old girl who vanished while walking to school on February 13, 2009.  I am searching to find the truth about what happened to this young girl.  As I look at the case and follow up on lead after lead, I realize there are only two or three people that know what happened to her and they wonít tell the truth.  The reason why is because there is a terrible truth behind what happened to Amber.

Lawrence...
 A drawn conclusion that may or may not be true but in my humble opinion it should not include any thought of accusation against the family members of Amber.
 We here have investigated quite a few missing person cases at Scared Monkeys, Web Sleuths and Blogs for Natalee as well as some other sites.. We have years of experience now since we began doing this.
 It is my humble opinion that this family of Amber is one of the most loving and concerned familes we have ever come across. ALL members are maimed by this loss, even though injured from this terrible loss, they are all diligent in there efforts to find Amber. Each one of them has there own way.. Yet ALL of them are dedicated in there effort to find thier child.. ALL
 This is not the child of Lawrence and it is very easy for people who are not directly connected to the loss of a loved one to make calus accusations and innuendos at family members when they become frustrated.
In the end I am sure you will see Ambers situation has nothing to do Carrie or Moe or Grandmom or the sister.
 It is not in good investigative form to make such a claim unless you have a smoking gun as we did with Casey in Florida. The mothers car had the evidence for such an accusation.
 There is no smoking gun in this case and ANYTHING is possible and I do believe that one or more of Ambers friends holds the key clue to solving this case..

Hi Edward!
I sure as heck hope that Lawrence is not pointing the finger at any of Amber's family members! I have spent hours upon hours going over things with Carrie. Carrie gets up early, gets her youngest child to school, goes to work, gets off work, picks her youngest child up from school, spends the remainder of the evening with her youngest child until she goes to bed and then Carrie proceeds to spend many, many more hours following up on clues for Amber. She answers emails, checks in with LE, etc etc sometimes until 4 in the morning. Then she gets back up in the morning and does it all again. I am a night owl, so I usually talk to Carrie in the wee hours. Carrie and Moe have not been together since Amber was about 2. Carrie and Dave are no longer together. There is no way that Carrie, Moe and Dave all got together and did something to Amber.  For what possible reason? That is too rediculous! Moe lives in Orange County. Carrie and Dave live in Escondido, now seperately. Carrie puts on a brave face every single day to go out and face another day hoping that day will be the one that she will get good news about Amber. She also tries desperately to keep things as normal for her younger child as possible.

Tracygirl,
One of Amber's close friends did have a boyfriend. I don't think it was very serious though in light of the fact that he lives at least 2 hours away and neither Amber's friend nor the boy drive. Carrie has had the situation looked into. Carrie has had pretty much EVERY possible situation looked into by LE. She has had them check her friends, Amber's friends and on and on and on. It is so very frustrating!
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« Reply #1433 on: November 10, 2009, 12:37:10 AM »

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Carrie has had pretty much EVERY possible situation looked into by LE. She has had them check her friends, Amber's friends and on and on and on. It is so very frustrating!

Sebastian, someone is missing something because Amber has not been found yet. Brainstorming this case, in my opinion, is still needed.
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« Reply #1434 on: November 10, 2009, 01:07:19 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3583.0

Anyone read this story? Thought I would post it. The dates are off, I think they would have been in jail when Amber went missing but sometimes these things are a ring and more then a few people are involved.
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« Reply #1435 on: November 10, 2009, 08:45:10 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3583.0

Anyone read this story? Thought I would post it. The dates are off, I think they would have been in jail when Amber went missing but sometimes these things are a ring and more then a few people are involved.

Hi Tracygirl,
This is an interesting story! If someone took Amber to try to force her into prostitution, I would not even begin to know where to look.
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« Reply #1436 on: November 10, 2009, 01:22:48 PM »

Hi everyone..
I was not sure if people were taking what Lawrence had written as an attack on the family..
I am happy to read that people do not.

I hit a key on my keyboard and the damn thing posted.. So it came out rough and I would have cleaned it up and made it sound sweet.. But as it is here at scared monkeys, when you post, you had better had it right the first time because you have no way to correct yourself. 
 
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« Reply #1437 on: November 10, 2009, 11:19:18 PM »

If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




It seems to me (as I recall, I could be wrong) that they based their door to door search on distance from that call. Anyone remember?
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« Reply #1438 on: November 11, 2009, 01:12:03 AM »

If it is the BF then, Amber please call home..

All good thoughts Chi Monkey. Anything is possible for sure as we appear to have almost nothing.
We do have an attempt to connect on a phone the next day..
Teen on teen violence is all to common these days, it could have been Amber or another person.
mo.
 

Edward, I remember us pleading to know the exact tower to which the cell connected but did we ever get that answer?   Also, wasn't it too brief to triangulate?   Even if so, it is something.

I still contend this is the only "hard" information we have about Amber after she disappeared. 

Chi-M




It seems to me (as I recall, I could be wrong) that they based their door to door search on distance from that call. Anyone remember?


I remember that the cellphone ping was from North Escondido. I will ask Carrie if she knows more or is allowed to disclose more if she does.
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« Reply #1439 on: November 11, 2009, 10:51:59 PM »

Hi everyone..
I was not sure if people were taking what Lawrence had written as an attack on the family..
I am happy to read that people do not.

I hit a key on my keyboard and the damn thing posted.. So it came out rough and I would have cleaned it up and made it sound sweet.. But as it is here at scared monkeys, when you post, you had better had it right the first time because you have no way to correct yourself. 
 

I did take it as an attack on the family. Specifically this part>>>"No one can protect your kids better than you, if you care . . . stop being so selfish and pay attention to your kids."

And what L. said makes me mad. 
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