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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 440744 times)
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« Reply #1560 on: December 18, 2009, 08:44:07 PM »

Tracygirl,
I never said anything about Amber not cutting across to get to school. It must have been someone else.
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« Reply #1561 on: December 18, 2009, 08:48:06 PM »

Oh, I almost forgot. I found this REALLY interesting! I went up to Valley Center today. It is about 10 minutes from Escondido. There was a missing persons sign in one of the markets for a man named John L. Scott. I asked the girl working in the store how long he had been missing and she said she did not know, that someone brought the sign in yesterday. I looked all over the internet but could not find a thing. It says he was missing from Pala. That could mean that he lives in Pala, (another 5 minutes away) or he lives somewhere else and went missing from the Pala Casino. If anyone can find anything on him, would you please post it. TIA
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« Reply #1562 on: December 18, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »

It's been 24 days since an Escondido teenager went missing without a trace. In this News 8 CrimeFighters investigation, we take a closer look at the timeline in the disappearance of Amber Dubois.


Friday, Feb. 13 7:10 a.m.: Parents spot 9th grader Amber Dubois walking to school two blocks north of Escondido High School. It's the only confirmed sighting of Amber by two separate witnesses.

"There were other kids coming down Broadway. There were kids being dropped off at the south corner of the stadium," parent David Wahlquist said.

Because other students and vehicles are in the area, police say it's unlikely Amber was abducted from the street.

"The assumption is she continued past or went into the high school, but as far as an abduction, that would cause a commotion, and somebody would recognize that," Escondido Police Lt. Craig Carter said.

7:30 a.m.: Amber never shows up for class. The school leaves a voicemail for Amber's mother, but it isn't until 4 p.m. on Friday that the mother's boyfriend comes home from work to find Amber missing.

Later that night, Verizon Wireless resets the password on Amber's cell phone so Amber's frantic mother can access her daughter's cell phone voicemail.

"I'm trying to keep things positive but it's really hard," Amber's mother Carrie McGonigle said.

Saturday, Feb. 14: Amber's cell phone is turned on for less than 30 seconds and pings off a cell phone tower in North Escondido. Whoever turned it on tried to access voicemail but was unsuccessful because the password had already been reset.

"The person dialed #86 to attempt to reach voicemail, couldn't get through and then they turned off the phone immediately," Amber's father Maurice Dubois said.

Police flood the neighborhood near the cell phone tower with reverse 911 calls, but fail to locate Amber. On Saturday night in downtown Escondido, a former classmate reports seeing Amber walking with two teenagers on Grand Avenue near Palomar Hospital. The sighting is unconfirmed.

Sunday night, Feb. 15: Another unconfirmed sighting near the intersection of Rincon Avenue and Conway. Search and rescue volunteers canvas the area handing out fliers, but still no Amber. She's been gone one week now, and friends at a candlelight vigil say there's no way Amber ran away.

"I know for a fact that there's zero percent chance that she just took off. That's an impossibility to me," friend Jade Fidell said.

Private investigator Bill Garcia organizes weekend searches. Then on March 3, a neighbor reports three teenage girls hiking near caves above Eastern Rincon Avenue.

"One of them, looking through binoculars, looked a lot like her," Escondido neighbor Tom Davids said.

The girls are never located, and the sighting is once again unconfirmed.

March 6: the family sets up Amber search headquarters. National organizations join the effort, offering a $50,000 reward for the girl's safe return.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9975976&nav=menu1607_2_1

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Monday, March 09, 2009Maybe she forgot something and walked back home and something happened to her there.





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Edward do you recall this post? Please read it and update any information that may have changed since then. What surprised me was I didn't know the password had been reset, that changes this for me.
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« Reply #1563 on: December 18, 2009, 08:55:06 PM »

Someone asked why Escondido locals do not come on this board. I think that there have been a few on other sites that I have seen. I can tell you that there is a loyal group of people who show up for Amber's vigils. The last vigil was rather smaller but it was a cold rainy day. I don't know how any local could not be aware of Amber. Most of the stores and restaurants still have her signs up. I just went through a fast food place tonight that had her sign. There are also many locals who drive around with Amber's signs on their cars. I think Amber's sisters and Grandmother have been on this site in the past. The news media has been great in that they have shown up for every vigil and run a story.
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« Reply #1564 on: December 18, 2009, 08:56:24 PM »

The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.
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« Reply #1565 on: December 18, 2009, 08:56:45 PM »

Thank you Sebastian, I want you to know as well as everyone else, I have never thought her mom or dad has anything to do with this. What has concerned me is I feel they may only be looking at one angle and in one way such as she would never leave or whatever.

I trust this is the most difficult thing a parent can go through, I pray I never know what it is like as it is my worst of worst nightmares. I have been reading back and it has enlightened me on a few things such as possible sightings, the cell phone password being reset (honestly I missed that very important clue) the other attempted kidnappings that happened around that time. I am only on page 2! There is the answer somewhere, maybe it was over looked and going back will bring some clarity. Please, the next time you see Carrie, please tell her I said to stay strong, somehow, some way Amber will be found. 
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« Reply #1566 on: December 18, 2009, 08:58:11 PM »

Hi Tracygirl,
Why would the password being changed make a difference? I guess I am dense, because I don't get it.
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« Reply #1567 on: December 18, 2009, 09:00:19 PM »

The reason there is silence is because we are looking for a live Amber. Because this is a public forum and anybody can read here. Those that have her may read here and try to counter any moves intended to find her..  IF we had a private area of this forum where cases like this could be researched and recorded, then we could talk about almost anything..
There is reason to believe she is alive. Professionals have suggested such.
 That is the reason for silence from the family in the Scared Monkeys Forum.

 But I am not blind to the fact that this situation has characteristics of a very bad situation.
The amount of attacks on young girls by males is astronomical and the high population of Hispanic males involved in these cases is frightning.
If that is true then time is the enemy. I know Amber's mom has been out looking from both directions and she is not blind or afraid to find the answer one way or another. She is one very energy filled woman who wants answers.
 Ambers friends are quiet..
 But really how long did Amber live in this area ? Not Long. These are not lifetime friends just aquaintences.

And Sebastian any boy who was supposedly her friend and for him to say to Ambersmom that she should just get over it and move on.. Well there are only 2 reasons I can think of for a statement like that..

1. The poor boy was born without Balls... We should all pray for him..Poor Thing..

2. The boy is afraid of getting his present balls cut off by some person..
Maybe Like his dad who drives a red truck !! Or he has a friend who has a dad who drives a red truck and that friend threatened to cut off his whatevers...

Anyways Ambersmom has many professional people helping her and one in particular is a police officer which I seem to trust even though I do not know her..
The other professionals I could wipe my back end with as I have never seen Mark save one person yet.. But he does help out with financial matters which do cost money and Amber's mom has done wonderful things in producing literature and sending it to every police department in the nation. This mom has crossed the borders and chatted with a very corrupted Machismo police force in Mexico. She has done a lot and people who are not in her situation need to know that this family all stay up 24 hours a day looking for there loved child Amber LeeAnn Dubois and I do not know How they do that..
God Bless Amber's family God help them find her.

So Edward are you asking for us to not talk about this case?
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« Reply #1568 on: December 18, 2009, 09:02:19 PM »

Hi Tracygirl,
Why would the password being changed make a difference? I guess I am dense, because I don't get it.

Because I was thinking a stranger found the phone and tried to access and if it was Amber she would have known the password, unless she was knocked on the head or something. This tells me it could have been Amber who tried to access the voicemail. What gets me though is why were no calls made from it? Unless the sims card was simply changed.
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« Reply #1569 on: December 18, 2009, 09:02:59 PM »

Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.
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« Reply #1570 on: December 18, 2009, 09:14:36 PM »

Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?
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« Reply #1571 on: December 18, 2009, 09:15:09 PM »

I am saying that is why I myself have avoided posting info as it gives LE and Mom the room to work.
But Time has passed and with Christmas approaching and still no word from Amber ..
 
It is very hard for me to believe that Amber would be that heartless in not contacting one of her loved family members, so she is being held against her will in Mexico if Alive or here inside the United States either way she could be suffering from fear of reprisal or is not on this earth any longer.

I myself think that there was a violent act. I do not know what to think of eye witness accounts on a cold rain driven morning and her other accounts seem to have lead LE is the wrong direction early on.. Was it with good intension or by design ?
It is hard But I trust nobody these days.. Everyone seems to have an agenda.

The red truck was cleared by LE. They have interviewed the fellow and he is well known.
His explanation appears to make LE believe he is not involved.

I wont tell you his explanation but it was stupid considering the scope of this investigation and his red truck pictured on every news web site from California to new york..
 Anyways LE does not consider him.

I do not understand..


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« Reply #1572 on: December 18, 2009, 09:21:48 PM »

Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

He would be a local or staying in the travel trailer park.. He kept her all night and would have hurt her for her password because he was nervous. He still would have intended on suffocating her in the end and he is in fear of being caught and wants no witness..Many times Perps keep there victims alive and abuse them before they Finlay murder them.
Right TracyGirl ?

We all know that this is a fact.. The cell phone being checked the next day does not surprise me because that is when his conscience was working on him.. Who knows how long Amber would be alive after that time..
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« Reply #1573 on: December 18, 2009, 09:28:52 PM »

Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

The 38 year old woman who was kinnapped and to this day has not been found ..She was talking with her boyfriend on the phone when the perp showed up to abduct her ..All herd by the boyfriend who was in another state..LE found her cell phone thrown from a vehicle on a lawn not far from where she was abducted..
Perps know to throw that phone !! It is a tracking device.!!
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« Reply #1574 on: December 18, 2009, 09:30:37 PM »

I am typing to fast and not doing my spell check again.. Sorry But I think you can read through it.
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« Reply #1575 on: December 18, 2009, 09:37:53 PM »

I can't get over the fact that it was the day before Valentine's day either.  Some people have sick dillusions.  I think this was sexually motivated.  JMO.
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« Reply #1576 on: December 18, 2009, 09:42:47 PM »

Hi Edward,
I too have had a hard time with the explanation regarding the red truck. Such a big deal and then an easy dismissal. I don't like it at all. I have driven around in some of the trailer parks that you mention, they give me the eeby geebies. Isn't it true that a predator usually strikes within a 5 mile radius of his home?
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« Reply #1577 on: December 18, 2009, 09:48:03 PM »

I can't get over the fact that it was the day before Valentine's day either.  Some people have sick dillusions.  I think this was sexually motivated.  JMO.

Here is the other biggie for me. Amber is a beautiful girl up close. From afar, she is not petite, 5'3'' 130 pounds. She has short dark hair and was wearing black jeans, a black sweat jacket. From any sort of distance she would look like a boy. Someone may have thought she was a boy and took her or they had seen her up close in the past?
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« Reply #1578 on: December 18, 2009, 09:49:06 PM »

Nobody has found one thing that belonged to Amber.
Like no struggle took place.

The only thing I can think is coming down vista going by the other school and that large play field that a vehicle like the white van pulls up and grabs her right off the street !!
It has happened many times with no witness.
It happened in Oakland California this year while a woman was jogging with people everywhere in a very populated area and nobody payed attention because the van blocks the view of what is going on when the side doors open.
It is just that simple and Amber could have been yanked inside in just a few seconds without any kind of witness.
 
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« Reply #1579 on: December 18, 2009, 09:52:05 PM »

Nobody has found one thing that belonged to Amber.
Like no struggle took place.

The only thing I can think is coming down vista going by the other school and that large play field that a vehicle like the white van pulls up and grabs her right off the street !!
It has happened many times with no witness.
It happened in Oakland California this year while a woman was jogging with people everywhere in a very populated area and nobody payed attention because the van blocks the view of what is going on when the side doors open.
It is just that simple and Amber could have been yanked inside in just a few seconds without any kind of witness.
 
Everyone keeps bringing up a white van. There is an SO in Escondido that drives a white van. I mentioned him before. He has an in-home computer business.
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