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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 440667 times)
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« Reply #1660 on: December 29, 2009, 01:18:15 AM »

In that video it shows cloth going into a bag..
So they do not have Only a Skull to go by.

They find bodies up there all the time according to the detective on the interview.
It will take quite awhile to identify if at all.


I missed that when I first watched it.  Here are two screen captures.  In the second one it almost looks like whatever they are putting in the bag has a strap.



Its dark clothing of somesort. I suppose given it was in a fire, it could be burnt? I would think fabric would turn to ash but if it is covered with dirt I suppose you never know. Anyway, to me it looks like a small shirt or jacket or something.

I know this area, I think there is a shooting range around there somewhere. Or I think that is where I went once. Remember I am from So Cal.

Could the strap be a belt then?  like a fabric belt you find on a womans blazer for example?

Well lets see, how could this fabric survive a forest fire? Could it have been buried deep enough? And if it was deep enough would the fabric stay intact or would it fray and separate? To me it looks like a hole or the fabric was deteriorating. Can you do a close up shot of that fabric? 

Best I can do without it being really grainy
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« Reply #1661 on: December 29, 2009, 01:20:19 AM »

I am trying to pin point this location on Google maps and cannot find it. There is an area above Altadena, I think off Hill street that is filled with occult activity. I just can't recall if this area is close to Altadena. I think it is, just over to the left. 
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« Reply #1662 on: December 29, 2009, 01:23:10 AM »

Landers skull

To Big Bear 57.7 miles 1 hour 38 min travel time

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« Reply #1663 on: December 29, 2009, 01:25:38 AM »

Lander skull to San Bernardino

Northern route 83.2 miles 1 hour 44 mins

Southern route 99.2 miles 2 hours 15 mins

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« Reply #1664 on: December 29, 2009, 01:30:37 AM »

Thank you Northern Rose! I did some reading and it looks like the Angeles fire was arson. I am going to keep reading.
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« Reply #1665 on: December 29, 2009, 01:32:14 AM »

Angeles National Forest (2 skulls) Lucas Creek, that feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the Big Tujunga Dam to San Bernardino

75 miles 1 hour 30 mins


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« Reply #1666 on: December 29, 2009, 01:34:17 AM »

Angeles National Forest (2 skulls) Lucas Creek, that feeds Big Tujunga Canyon above the Big Tujunga Dam to Big Bear

110 miles 2 hours 22 mins
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« Reply #1667 on: December 29, 2009, 01:39:23 AM »

KTLA just had the video on of the Lucas Creek skulls and I grabbed a sequence of screen shots.  It will be easier to blow them up.  It looks like whatever the clothe was, it is in shreds and what I thought was a strap is actually just one of the shredded pieces of fabric. 
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« Reply #1668 on: December 29, 2009, 01:39:51 AM »

In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410
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« Reply #1669 on: December 29, 2009, 01:41:25 AM »

Angeles crest hwy connects to big tujuanga canyon one way and then in the other direction connects to the 138 or to the 15 or to the 215. I am not sure why someone would lets say god forbid take Amber to the Angeles national forest when there are plenty of open area's in San Diego county, but stranger things have happened.

I was looking at the pic again and asked my husband what he thought the black fabric was, he came up with maybe a napsak a fabric bag of some kind? It is definately a strap or a belt, the edges seem too straight.
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« Reply #1670 on: December 29, 2009, 01:44:14 AM »

Well geez Nor rose now I dont know...I first thought the material shredded then it looked like a strap. I am at odds with myself!
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« Reply #1671 on: December 29, 2009, 01:47:39 AM »

Well geez Nor rose now I dont know...I first thought the material shredded then it looked like a strap. I am at odds with myself!

Me too. I first thought a book bag or back pack but after just watching it larger on the news not sure now.   Maybe if we put both our odds together we can come up with a whole?   

Here is a close up of the series I just posted.

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« Reply #1672 on: December 29, 2009, 01:49:51 AM »

You two have great eyes. It looks like a little monkey to me.
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« Reply #1673 on: December 29, 2009, 01:51:24 AM »

In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

I had not seen this article or video before.  Posting it here.

Human Remains Found in Landers

LANDERS - The San Bernardino County Coroner is working to identify human remains found in the hi-desert.

A San Bernardino County Sheriff's Homicide Unit, along with search teams and cadaver dogs, spent hours Thursday looking for more human remains in Landers.

An investigation is now underway after a human skull was discovered Wednesday on a nearby property.

Geraldo Cabrera says his dog "Scoobie" found the skull over two weeks ago while out playing. But it took awhile before anyone realized it.

Geraldo's wife, Ariceli, says her kids told her something in the yard smelled very bad. But she didn't do anything, because she'd had surgery and couldn't walk or leave the house.

Meanwhile, Geraldo, a truck driver, was out on the road.

When Ariceli was finally able to go outside, she didn't know what the skull was when she first saw it.

"I called my cousin and her husband. They came over and he said 'that's a person' and then we called police."

The family says investigators told them the remains appear to be from a child eight to 14 years old.

Some neighbors say they're not surprised by the find.

"I think people kill somebody, then drag them out here to the desert. Nobody pays attention to them," said Marlin Shaffer, a Landers resident.

Investigators say they have not had time to determine how fresh the remains are or if foul play was involved.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410
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« Reply #1674 on: December 29, 2009, 01:57:50 AM »

Tracy this part looks like the padding/rubber pad you find on shoulder straps for book bags.  Now I am back to it is a strap.   
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« Reply #1675 on: December 29, 2009, 01:58:12 AM »

Thanks for the up close shots. If you look at the first one the strap think must be on the top and as she is tipping it forward into the bag and falls. To me and I reserve the right to change my mind, that last one looks like a rectangle you would place an identification tag in.
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« Reply #1676 on: December 29, 2009, 02:00:42 AM »

Tracy this part looks like the padding/rubber pad you find on shoulder straps for book bags.  Now I am back to it is a strap.  

Yes, we both see something that is similar. whew!
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« Reply #1677 on: December 29, 2009, 02:01:00 AM »

Could it be a backpack?
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« Reply #1678 on: December 29, 2009, 02:01:10 AM »

In this article, it was stated that the Landers skull appears to be from a child 8-14 years old. http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=11659410

How many 8 - 14 year olds missing in that area?  and why does police not have the time to determine how long the skull was there?  If there was a bag smell it would not have been completely skeletonized yet. 
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« Reply #1679 on: December 29, 2009, 02:01:58 AM »

Who are the missing persons in that area of california in the age range to have a book bag or back pack? Maybe in the last year? I will check it out
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