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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 460183 times)
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« Reply #1720 on: December 30, 2009, 10:16:01 PM »

Edward I do not believe that this is related to the skull found in Landers.  Essex is 111 miles and 3 hours 5 mins travel time.  As the crow flies it would still be over 90 miles.  I can not see a dog carrying a skull for that distance. 
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« Reply #1721 on: December 30, 2009, 10:17:51 PM »

Human remains found in desert near Needles
By Stacia Glenn
Posted: 12/30/2009 04:48:13 PM PST


A passerby on Tuesday found human remains in a rural desert area west of Needles.
The remains were discovered south of the 40 Freeway, north of Essex. A motorist stopped and got out of his vehicle to let his dog out of the car when he saw the bones.

Coroner's officials said the remains are that of a male, but they have not identified the victim. An autopsy is expected to be conducted this week to determine the cause of death.

Anyone with information is asked to call sheriff's Sgt. Frank Montanez at 909-387-3589 or the Coroner Division at 909-387-2978.

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« Reply #1722 on: December 31, 2009, 12:59:08 AM »

Carrie had the password reset so she could listen to messages on the cell phone. In hopes of finding info on who was chatting with amber last and where amber may be.

I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.

Hi Edward,
This cellphone thing has driven me crazy from the get go. I have asked several random people what they would do if they had kidnapped a child and found out that the child had a cellphone. The first thing they say is "throw it out the window". I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that a perp would hang on to a cellphone for a full day and then try to check it for messages? The only way that would make sense to me is if the perp was someone close to Amber and or her family. As you said, they would be trying to see if they got away with it. Perhaps a random perp would keep it for a trophy but Amber was wearing jewelry and such so that seems unlikely as well. Whoever it is, they took a chance by turning it on at all. Another interesting thing to me is that the ping came from North Broadway. That would mean that the person was still in the area 24 hours later. Why not leave immediately while they had the chance?

The 38 year old woman who was kinnapped and to this day has not been found ..She was talking with her boyfriend on the phone when the perp showed up to abduct her ..All herd by the boyfriend who was in another state..LE found her cell phone thrown from a vehicle on a lawn not far from where she was abducted..
Perps know to throw that phone !! It is a tracking device.!!



okay, here is my theroy.  First of all, everytime I type a letter, the whole quotes above jump up and down.  Completely annoying!  At any rate, perhaps the person who abducted her knew her.  Left her a message, perhaps luring her somewhere that morning.  Or meet me by the whatever...then after the kidnapping, turns on phone to delete message or the txt? idk...
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« Reply #1723 on: December 31, 2009, 01:02:27 AM »

does anyone have the ability to post an aerial photo like the one above outlining her home, the school, and where the tower was that pinged the next day?
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« Reply #1724 on: December 31, 2009, 04:05:15 AM »

Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.
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« Reply #1725 on: December 31, 2009, 01:23:56 PM »

Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.

I had posted a cell tower map early on in the case with my best guess as to which tower it was that would have picked up and showing the distance that tower has.  Here is it.  The middle is the tower and the other pins are the max distance.  Tower signals are in the pattern as shown on the map, not a big circle.  As I have no idea which way the tower is pointing the placement of the pattern may not be correct (it may need to be rotated which means areas areas that are currently shown in range may fall into the not covered areas where the circles overlap and visa versa).   If this is the correct tower let me know.  I will then add the school and Amber's house.  I am not certain I have her residence address so would need that to map her house.
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« Reply #1726 on: December 31, 2009, 01:45:01 PM »

School to the tower
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« Reply #1727 on: December 31, 2009, 01:52:57 PM »

Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.


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« Reply #1728 on: December 31, 2009, 02:11:16 PM »

Hi Chi,
I am not sure how to load things or I would. I can tell you that the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower. With regards to the cellphone, someone never got through to do anything on Amber's phone. They attempted to check the messages but the password had already been changed at that point by Amber's parents. Does anyone know if every cell carrier uses the same code to check messages? Such as star 82 or 83?  If not, it would be curious to know how the person would know what the correct way to check the messages were.

This is interesting. I don't think I have ever read where the ping came from or the area. Not too many houses or businesses seem to be around there.
I have had so many phones and usually all I have to do is press and hold down the 1 and it goes to voice mail.

Quoting Edward:
I have always felt that the attempt to get to the messages was by a perp and not by amber herself. The perp wanted to make sure he was not going to get caught.
That is just my opinion..

Others believe that this was Amber herself.

As time passes I really think I was correct.


I completely agree with this Edward and feel you are correct. If it was Amber and she was in trouble, I don't think she would call her voicemail but would rather call 911 or her mom or some person. My theory is the phone had been ringing and ringing, maybe people were leaving messages and the person that took her got curious. Amber may have been told to give him the password or he could have simply pressed the 1 as I stated above to see who was calling her. 
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« Reply #1729 on: December 31, 2009, 02:13:44 PM »

Two possible routes directly to cell tower from school.  Depending on where in the coverage area the cell is, the distance and travel time would change but this gives you an idea.

First route that goes south then onto 15 is 7.4 miles 10 mins

Second route that goes north on N Broadway is 5.2 miles 12 mins.




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« Reply #1730 on: December 31, 2009, 02:40:00 PM »

Sebastian said:

the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower.


Is that where you are putting the tower northern rose ?

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« Reply #1731 on: December 31, 2009, 02:55:17 PM »

Sebastian said:

the cell tower ping came from the area of Center City Parkway and Deer Springs Road on the right hand side. I think that there may be a water tower next to the cell tower.


Is that where you are putting the tower northern rose ?



My tower is where it is actually located per AT&T.  It it is north of Deer Springs Road on Mesa Rock Road.   

2691 Mesa Rock Road (Lat: 33.199167 Lon: -117.128333), Type: Pole, Structure height: 16.1 m, Overall height: 16.1 m
Registrant: At&t Wireless Services, Inc.,

I have a list of the longs and lats of all the towers if this is not the correct one. 


 
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« Reply #1732 on: December 31, 2009, 03:21:05 PM »

You know I wonder if the person that took Amber lives or works right around there. He/she may have taken her things back to their place, that is why nothing has been located. Are there any interesting folks that live around that area? Doesn't seem to be that many houses.
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« Reply #1733 on: December 31, 2009, 03:36:19 PM »

Off North Center City Parkway there is a nursery and before that a Uhaul rental...Did LE check the records of the Uhauls rented on the 13th, 14th and possibly 15th?

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« Reply #1734 on: December 31, 2009, 03:51:17 PM »

There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?
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« Reply #1735 on: December 31, 2009, 03:56:16 PM »

There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?

Tracy I had looked at all the garden centres in that area when we were stuck on the red truck.  There were a few garden centres up there.  I don't think I kept the list and am sorry about that.  I remember one to the east of the interstate that seemed it was out of a guys house. That one struck me odd.  Not sure why, but it did.

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« Reply #1736 on: December 31, 2009, 03:57:36 PM »

Warrant issued for child porn

Published: Wednesday, December 30, 2009

YUCCA VALLEY — A $500,000 felony arrest warrant has been issued for Peter Graffin Ault, 50, who is facing numerous counts of possession and distribution of child pornography.

Authorities believe he may be attempting to avoid arrest, according to sheriff’s department spokeswoman Arden Wiltshire.

Ault’s last known address is 55524 Yucca Trail No. 75 in Yucca Valley. However, he is also known to frequent the Joshua Tree area.

A white male, Ault stands 6 feet, 1 inch tall and weighs 170 pounds. His hair is grey and his eyes are hazel.


Anyone who has information on his location is asked to contact Det. Roxanne Logan at (909) 387-3615 or Sgt. James Porter at (760) 366-4175.

Callers wishing to remain anonymous may leave information on the We-Tip Hotline by calling 1-800-78-CRIME or visiting www.wetip.com.

Tipsters may be eligible for a reward up to $1,000 for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the suspect.



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« Reply #1737 on: December 31, 2009, 04:09:44 PM »

There is a patio furniture place on the corner of n. center and deer spring. Does it strick anyone else odd RV's would be parked there? On google maps you can see a large class A camper with the antenia up indicated to me it is parked there. Also they have delivery trucks, very easy to move a person around in a delivery truck. Of course I am accusing these people, I am just saying such a vehical could have asked Amber for directions or something then yanked her into the truck.

How heavily did LE check out the businesses and homes in that area?

Tracy I had looked at all the garden centres in that area when we were stuck on the red truck.  There were a few garden centres up there.  I don't think I kept the list and am sorry about that.  I remember one to the east of the interstate that seemed it was out of a guys house. That one struck me odd.  Not sure why, but it did.



hmmm there is a house along Ambers route that seems to have a lot of plants and things. I wonder if they got anything delivered that day or if there where any landscaping projects going on in that local area? I suppose the same can be said for anyone getting any type of delivery to their home that day.
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« Reply #1738 on: December 31, 2009, 04:31:07 PM »

That fellow In Yucca Valley lives very close to where the skull was found..
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« Reply #1739 on: December 31, 2009, 05:24:59 PM »

That fellow In Yucca Valley lives very close to where the skull was found..

Yup he sure does.  The lady who found the skull said that it smelled really bad.  That would indicate it had not skeletonized yet. 
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