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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 456731 times)
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« Reply #260 on: May 15, 2009, 02:21:33 PM »

Is it that I do not know how to spell or is it that my big fingers keep hitting the wrong keys..
I will let you decide ...

Why can't I have a edit button for my posts on this forum ? 

Information provided is far more important than the spelling/typos!! 
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« Reply #261 on: May 15, 2009, 02:22:04 PM »

Thank You Ampersand I did not want to offend you or the family at all..

If you see anything posted that you do not want posted please ask a moderator to delete it. I will take no offense to that if you do.
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« Reply #262 on: May 15, 2009, 02:35:51 PM »

Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in thsi case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459
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« Reply #263 on: May 15, 2009, 03:05:38 PM »

Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in this case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459

Edward...
Thanks for the maps.  I have been wondering about any shortcuts to school Amber might take.  Just thinking that walking all the way around the block is not the way I (back in the olden days) would have gone.  We always took the main street a block, then an alley, then the back and side yard of a couple who would shout at us.  So I wondered if there was some impediment to cutting through the block?   

Also, I was wondering if there is a realtors' map of vacant houses in a say 5 mile radius. 
each one should be entered and searched.   It seems possible that the school witnesses may be remembering another day, or missing the identification.   Probably the family has this covered, but better to ask.   Perhaps some local Realtors could be of assistance. 



To Amber's family:
   You are doing a fantastic job.  Wish I could be there in person to search. 



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« Reply #264 on: May 15, 2009, 03:32:08 PM »

In the abve photo on the right side is actually a school parking lot .. What is the name of that school ?
There should have been plenty of people at that school ?


I don't recall the exact name of the school on Vista - I know it's an elementary school that did not have any video surveillance equipment - we will reconfirm with LE the extent of their investigation for any possible witnesses at that location the morning of Amber's disappearance.
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« Reply #265 on: May 15, 2009, 03:36:21 PM »

Anyone who thinks this does not happen..It does.. It may not have happened in this case.. But it does happen..
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10249459

Edward...
Thanks for the maps.  I have been wondering about any shortcuts to school Amber might take.  Just thinking that walking all the way around the block is not the way I (back in the olden days) would have gone.  We always took the main street a block, then an alley, then the back and side yard of a couple who would shout at us.  So I wondered if there was some impediment to cutting through the block?   

Also, I was wondering if there is a realtors' map of vacant houses in a say 5 mile radius. 
each one should be entered and searched.   It seems possible that the school witnesses may be remembering another day, or missing the identification.   Probably the family has this covered, but better to ask.   Perhaps some local Realtors could be of assistance. 



To Amber's family:
   You are doing a fantastic job.  Wish I could be there in person to search. 


Thanks Chi -

As far as shortcuts - I'm with you - as a kid I never took a direct and obvious route - shortcuts were much better!  This is Amber's first year at this school - and it's not the neighborhood she grew up in - so I would suspect that she did not take shortcuts to the school - but there's always a chance that I'm wrong.
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« Reply #266 on: May 15, 2009, 03:39:34 PM »

Some good ideas chi-monkey .. I have looked for short cuts..
Like if she cut across the parking lot on the south corner of Vista and Broadway..Maybe the perp was Parked in that parking lot.?
 The perp may not know that area well and drove into the bus parking area by mistake..? He may have parked for the moment in the bus lot to get her under control.. Then he leaves..

Convenience store and Gas station video and traffic light surveillance videos from that date 20 miles in every direction.. I know that is a big task..But that should have happened 3 months ago.. Many of those videos do not exist today.


Here is something very interesting..From San Diego..A crime report site..Go to the bottom of the page and use the INTERACTIVE mapping application..
You have to play with it but you can get a map with just about any kind of crime committed in the area of San Diego and surrounding like El Cajon and Escondido.

http://www.sandiego.gov/police/stats/
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« Reply #267 on: May 15, 2009, 03:57:30 PM »

This parking lot short cut..
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« Reply #268 on: May 15, 2009, 03:58:51 PM »

The black line represents the vaunerable zones. Where it COULD have happened. Showing the short cut across the parking lot.
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« Reply #269 on: May 15, 2009, 04:06:00 PM »

I mean POSSIBLE shortcut as I have not stood there yet, to see if that is possible..
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« Reply #270 on: May 15, 2009, 04:19:44 PM »

I mean POSSIBLE shortcut as I have not stood there yet, to see if that is possible..

I came up with a similar (or the same) shortcut possiblity - using google map street view to rule out visibly fenced in areas.  It appears that there is access thru the church parking lot. 
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« Reply #271 on: May 15, 2009, 04:21:24 PM »

And my route marks did not show up in the pic I posted - swell - sorry about that.
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« Reply #272 on: May 15, 2009, 04:28:07 PM »

I see, if she cuts through the parking lot and crosses with no intersection she still has a few hundred yards to walk before arriving at the Bus parking lot driveway. Walking along on the west side of Broadway, which appears to be a very busy street.
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« Reply #273 on: May 15, 2009, 04:32:04 PM »

I was having a heck of a time with those markers myself..
Google is not all it was Googled up to be.. 
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« Reply #274 on: May 15, 2009, 04:35:46 PM »

This parking lot short cut..


I made a huge mistake in mapping out the route - it's much longer - the area I marked as EHS is actually a residential area.  Here is a corrected map.  That's what I get for trying to multitask at work!
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« Reply #275 on: May 15, 2009, 04:36:24 PM »

If she was walking in the middle of the church parking lot early A.M.
It is very possible this is where the actual abduction occurs with no witness.
The perp could have noticed students walking to school and just sat there and waited for an opportunity like a predator would do.



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« Reply #276 on: May 15, 2009, 04:36:54 PM »

Blue indicates Amber's route - the red is a possible shortcut.
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« Reply #277 on: May 15, 2009, 04:41:24 PM »

When I first found it on Google I thought that line leading to the animal area of the school was a road or a path, but it appears to be more of a creek, water control zone..
Is that true ?
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« Reply #278 on: May 15, 2009, 05:26:02 PM »

When I first found it on Google I thought that line leading to the animal area of the school was a road or a path, but it appears to be more of a creek, water control zone..
Is that true ?

I believe that is correct - because I've heard reports that the "creek" area by the school was thoroughly searched.
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« Reply #279 on: May 15, 2009, 06:12:31 PM »

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Amber did not take shortcuts because the ONLY safe place to cross Broadway to get to school was at the light at Vista.  She crossed there and then walked on the school side of Broadway.  She was not fond of running. To cross in the middle of the street would require one to run, or, get run over.

We continue to look for aerial photos for that day.  Eye witness testimony is questionable (although these are 2  good people) given the weather, the construction and the number of students walking to school. Her family has both walked and driven the street at the relevant time.  I drove it before the Vigil on Wed.   Traffic was light.  Could I have identified any of the teens I saw walking along Broadway, absolutely not?  I can say they were girls with long brown hair.  They were not wearing hoodies and it was NOT raining .

The EPD stated directly to my question as to how strongly they believed in the 2 eye witness testimoney that they were 90% positive that Amber got as far as the driveway to her school based on their testimony. NO facts support this.  Police state that they checked when the children of these 2 witnesses entered the school and the time frame "matched."  When I pointed out that the time frame would match WHETHER OR NOT they actually saw Amber because those two students DID arrive safely, the EPD concluded that was not significant.  That conclusion fails in reason in my opinion.

Amber's Mom and I continue to be of the belief that she could have been taken anywhere on Fire Mountain or down the  street to Broadway.  There are FEW people out and about at that hour.  If Amber was set up to be grabbed, as we believe she was, the perps would know he/they had a better shot at her before she neared the school.

It was raining.  If she KNEW a person, or a neighbor, who said jump in and I will give you a ride, she might have done that to keep dry...but, then, he (they) would not let her go.  All they would need to do is drive to the right on Broadway to avoid the school area.

On the other hand, the perps could stop on Paradise and have her in a vehicle in 17 seconds.

My daughter, Lisa, has been answering some of your queres and we will certainly try to stay current.

Do I believe you can help us?  YES.  As Agatha might say, please keep your little grey cells working for Amber.

FYI:  I do keep notebooks and comprehensive files on everything that I can get my hands on re: Amber.  I am a trial attorney and very detailed oriented.  But, this is too big for one lawyer, one family, one city and certainly, one police department.  PLEASE continue to help us. We are paying attention to you.

As ever,

AMBERS GRANDMOM


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