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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 455687 times)
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« Reply #720 on: May 26, 2009, 09:33:38 PM »

Any stops along the way ?

When we took our boyscout troop on a train ride to sacramento there were atleast 6 moment stops to load and unload passengers..
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« Reply #721 on: May 26, 2009, 09:40:51 PM »

Fullerton, CA (FUL) 
Station Building (with waiting room)
120 East Santa Fe Avenue
Fullerton Transportation Center
Fullerton, CA 92832 



Oceanside, CA (OSD) 
Station Building (with waiting room)
235 South Tremont Street
Oceanside Transit Center
Oceanside, CA 92054 


It is only 1 hour and 20 minutes.. Short ride

http://tickets.amtrak.com/itd/amtrak/FareFinder?_tripType=OneWay&_origin=fullerton&_depmonthyear=2009-05&_depday=28&_dephourmin=&_destination=oceanside&_retmonthyear=&_retday=&_rethourmin=&_adults=1&_children=0&_infants=0&_searchBy=schedule&x=29&y=17
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« Reply #722 on: May 26, 2009, 09:42:44 PM »

Thank You ampersand for posting that video.
It is a heartbreaker.

I hope the authorities find Amber soon.
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« Reply #723 on: May 26, 2009, 11:04:48 PM »

This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom

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« Reply #724 on: May 26, 2009, 11:44:47 PM »

I agree Blink, there could be a connection.
We have seen coincidences in other cases..
Maybe that is all this is too. But it needs to be checked out. Where exactly in that park was the body found ?
 It appeared to be a robbery, but possible she was murdered for other reasons.. she was wearing her same clothes, so they did not think there was a sex attack.. But there could have been and he used a condom and then made her put her clothes back on..
He may have attacked her elsewhere and made her walk to her death spot. If he did do that he can make a victim walk a long way before the murder..



More time needs to be spent following the footsteps of the victim. 
There appears to be a pattern with the Park murder suspect.
We would normally look 100 yards from parking areas..  But if it is the same guy maybe he decides to make his victim walk much further.. That worries me..


This other character "williams" who attacked the 16 year old girl in ElCajon is not the same guy..  BUT and grand-mom is checking into this Williams may have been on that train !! and if he was and made idol contact with Amber he may have gotten enough information to know where Amber lives.. The only thing I question on Williams is the cell phone message call the next day NORTH.. Williams is from the south of Escondido
 
I think we have 2 completely different suspects at this point.
Both may be the wrong suspect.

The molester with the red truck has his face clear as a bell on video and his truck license plate number should have been identified by now I would think..
It does not appear to be the same truck, but with surveillance video who knows. It would be good to arrest him for his crimes.. BUT I do no think he is our culprit because he is a chicken little boy touching innocent children and what we are looking for is a Violent personality who is willing to kidnap and possibly murder.


I naivete forget Amber could be alive.. She could be victim and held.. Sooner or later she will fall into the stockholm syndrome and then she will not try to escape.

If anyone can fight against the effect of the stockholm syndrome, it will be Amber.  We have watched tv shows reflecting what happens and discussed it in detail.  She really likes CSI, Without a Trace and similar (where ever did that come from...hmmm) She WILL fight to escape if she is captive.  Her gray cells work fine.  Unless, she is being drugged--a huge fear of mine. She has such spirit and it could cause her harm, but, I think she would fight rather than give up--I don't mean fist fight, I mean think of alternatives to escape.  I pray for her strength to remain.  After a Without a Trace show she asked me how long would I look for her if something happened to her and I said I would look until the day I died.  So...she knows we are NOT giving up!  GM
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« Reply #725 on: May 27, 2009, 12:02:32 AM »

New video/collage of Amber - posted today by her Mom - my sister Carrie. 

http://vimeo.com/4848395

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(((((((hugs)))))))))) to you and your family. My prayers  are sent to bring this beautiful girl home to you where she belongs.

It stuck me when I saw her birth day, She is just 2 years older then one of my children.....
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« Reply #726 on: May 27, 2009, 12:08:47 AM »

Hard to get a good google earth showing enough area that is ok to post.  This is just the Escondido and surrounding areas:

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« Reply #727 on: May 27, 2009, 12:13:02 AM »


Hi Ambers Grandmom,  very sweet video. I understand how much you all want her home. Carrie helped us all see the little girl that is loved and missed.

I'm thinking about the house on a hill.  Tract home or custom?  New or old?  Family or single resident?
I know absolutely nothing about code, law etc., but if it's a tract home, the builder would more than likely be the same for all, a basement would probably require extra engineering, more support. If the builder was known, an" inquiry "from a neighbor interested if a basement is feasible, possible, have they ever built any in the area certainly wouldn't be a suspicious question. Without comprimising any actual house plans for any owner, the builder would probably at least be anxious to tell of this construction.

Same question could be posed to a custom builder if anyone might recall who it was.

The resident, if a single person, is the house close enough to get an idea of usual behavior? More groceries being brought in regularly than seems appropriate or than before?

Maybe all the clever monkeys will show up with more feasible ideas but until then here's mine.
 
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« Reply #728 on: May 27, 2009, 12:27:03 AM »

This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



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I posted earlier. I feel Amber was aquainted with this individual. I do not believe, most especially as you noted her interest in shows that reflect case files like this, that she got into a vehicle with a stranger. Not without a struggle. What I saw from your stunningly gorgeous grandaughter, is that she is confident and wicked strong.
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« Reply #729 on: May 27, 2009, 03:08:21 AM »

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.219159~-117.105331&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&trfc=1&sp=Point.pj6xbx56t50w_PARK____~Point.pj5t2w56v81k_PARK____~Point.pj7xqx573dbf_GOPHER%20CANYON____~Point.pjn1wm5735kp_PALA%20ROAD____~Point.phycs55777n6_JESMOND%20PARK____~Point.phrmgm578dsn_AMBERS%20HOME____~Point.phrfg6577ysk_ANIMAL%20AREA%20OF%20SCHOOL____~Polyline.phsvzv5784p8_phyykd578s6g_pj302t577ygw_pj5vcm579vns_pj8b9s579vns_pj8dx7578b2h_pj7r725774jg_pj8b9s576kjn_pj7w3f574znv_pj7mbv573dj5_pj7w3f572ts6_pj87r856zbgn_pj6yzc56xy03_pj2gkg56y12s_pj31ck56wfz4_pj5xz356w5g7_pj5rsz56w8jy_pj5qh756w8jy_away%20from%20school%20rural____%23FF0000_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pj7r72574631_&encType=1

When you click on the link..
If the white box is open listing all the push pin markers, do not hit the X use the arrows pointed upward to close the box .. you can control and zoom in and out and move around..

I like this link the best because it shows major roads in green as well as a alternate back roads route marked in red as well as the original path marked in blue, distance is about the same..
 The alternate takes them away from the school and to rural area roads but the same end location except that you enter the park from the opposite end, all of that OFF the main road system where he would fear of LE , He hopes he got away with her.. he does not that for sure..
so he takes a back road

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There are 2 kinds of Acquaintances..
1...somebody who is crafty and has gotten the info as to where she lives. A con artist and a manipulator. Could be the train ride he meets her and could be the Internet never the less he is sociopath, He finds a way to make his approach on her.

2. A friend from the area ... A friend from her neighborhood or somebody she walks by every day going to or from school, or somebody she walks by once a week like a gardener.
Or, a perceived friend from school.


Also, The Indian reservations, what jurisdiction does ELE have in these areas ? Do they follow tribal laws and have there own police ?

 
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« Reply #730 on: May 27, 2009, 03:08:24 AM »

This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



found this link to the Escondido Assessor's Office, it does NOT give detailed info on each address, but it gives some. You might try calling their office and ask them, there maybe a way for them to search for this.  It all should be public info.

http://www.escondido.org/parcels/s3223.html
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« Reply #731 on: May 27, 2009, 03:19:11 AM »

and found this

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/depts/cd/building/guidelines/6.pdf

basically tells you it is public info and anyone can search the records looks like IN the office.
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« Reply #732 on: May 27, 2009, 03:23:53 AM »

also, property that is for sale, could be searched through a local real estate search company.   Like here we use Metro Listing and can narrow the search to so many different aspects.  But, that's if it's for sale. Lovely video, I don't think any monkeys watched with a dry eye.  My heart goes out to you all, I cannot imagine.  Prayers go out to you and your family and of course Amber.
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« Reply #733 on: May 27, 2009, 07:14:18 AM »

Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

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« Reply #734 on: May 27, 2009, 09:38:59 AM »

Law enforcement problems on California’s reservations, as in other states, stem in part
from limited resources and jurisdictional confusion. Many reservations are geographically
remote and involve enormous tracts of sometimes non-contiguous land. Because Indians
generally do not pay taxes, local law enforcement must provide additional law enforcement
services without the benefit of additional tax revenue. Local authorities are thus limited in their
ability to effectively patrol reservations and are sometimes unable to quickly respond to
emergency situations. Confusion over jurisdiction compounds these problems.

http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files/indiancountry.pdf

There are 5 Indian reservations wrapping the north east sector of north Escondido..
While seeking alternate routes by road I keep running through one of them..
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« Reply #735 on: May 27, 2009, 09:42:06 AM »

One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?
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« Reply #736 on: May 27, 2009, 11:38:44 AM »

One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.
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« Reply #737 on: May 27, 2009, 12:01:01 PM »

One local resident claimed the moroon pick up was common to local Gardners.
Is there a landscape maintenence company that has a fleet of Maroon pick ups ?


Edward when I was doing the cell tower maps there was a odd looking complex on one of the satellite laps .  When I zoomed in it was a nursery.  Straight up the highway close to the At&T tower.  I will see if I can dig it out again.

 NR  were you ever able to figure out which tower the ping came from or are you still having to use the general data from the zip codes?
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« Reply #738 on: May 27, 2009, 02:04:40 PM »

In 2007, there were 657 violent crimes and 4,329 property crimes in Escondido. [21] There were 4 murders, 28 rapes, 280 robberies, 345 aggravated assaults, 808 burglaries, 2,428 larceny thefts, 1,093 vehicle thefts, and 23 arsons.

The city ranked #65 by violent crimes per capita and #58 by property crimes per capita among 165 cities in California with populations greater than 50,000. Compared with 12 largest cities in San Diego County, it ranked 6th in both categories. Its crime rate was lower in both categories than in San Diego, El Cajon, and National City; higher in both categories than in San Marcos, Carlsbad, Encinitas, and Santee. Escondido had higher violent crime rates but lower property crime rate than La Mesa and Chula Vista, lower violent crime rates but higher property crime rates than Vista and Oceanside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escondido,_California
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« Reply #739 on: May 27, 2009, 02:19:25 PM »

Back on march 3 2009

the Escondido police and the San Diego Sheriff's Department search-and-rescue unit have been searching for Amber on the Rincon Indian reservation, at the end of Rincon Road, where teenagers often hang out and party.

So obviously it is ok to search on indian reservation land ? Local police have jurisdiction ?


There appears to be some articles that indicate high Meth usage on indian reservations..
Mexican cartels target them .. Ihave no idea if that is true or not.
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