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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois, 14yr, Last seen 02/13/09 #1 1/20/09 - 1/15/10  (Read 461290 times)
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« Reply #760 on: May 28, 2009, 01:34:55 AM »

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.219159~-117.105331&style=h&lvl=11&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&rtp=pos.33.1510334763306_-117.087938526291_Paradise%20St%2C%20Escondido%2C%20CA%2092026__~pos.33.2382959731667_-117.254472198634_Guajome%20Lake%20Rd%2C%20Vista%2C%20CA%2092084__&rtop=0~0~0&trfc=1&sp=Point.pj6xbx56t50w_PARK____~Point.pj5t2w56v81k_PARK____~Point.pj7xqx573dbf_GOPHER%20CANYON____~Point.pjn1wm5735kp_PALA%20ROAD____~Point.phycs55777n6_JESMOND%20PARK____~Point.phrmgm578dsn_AMBERS%20HOME____~Point.phrfg6577ysk_ANIMAL%20AREA%20OF%20SCHOOL____~Polyline.phsvzv5784p8_phyykd578s6g_pj302t577ygw_pj5vcm579vns_pj8b9s579vns_pj8dx7578b2h_pj7r725774jg_pj8b9s576kjn_pj7w3f574znv_pj7mbv573dj5_pj7w3f572ts6_pj87r856zbgn_pj6yzc56xy03_pj2gkg56y12s_pj31ck56wfz4_pj5xz356w5g7_pj5rsz56w8jy_pj5qh756w8jy_away%20from%20school%20rural____%23FF0000_%23008000_2pt_Single_Solid_pj7r72574631_&encType=1

When you click on the link..
If the white box is open listing all the push pin markers, do not hit the X use the arrows pointed upward to close the box .. you can control and zoom in and out and move around..

I like this link the best because it shows major roads in green as well as a alternate back roads route marked in red as well as the original path marked in blue, distance is about the same..
 The alternate takes them away from the school and to rural area roads but the same end location except that you enter the park from the opposite end, all of that OFF the main road system where he would fear of LE , He hopes he got away with her.. he does not that for sure..
so he takes a back road

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There are 2 kinds of Acquaintances..
1...somebody who is crafty and has gotten the info as to where she lives. A con artist and a manipulator. Could be the train ride he meets her and could be the Internet never the less he is sociopath, He finds a way to make his approach on her.

2. A friend from the area ... A friend from her neighborhood or somebody she walks by every day going to or from school, or somebody she walks by once a week like a gardener.
Or, a perceived friend from school.


Also, The Indian reservations, what jurisdiction does ELE have in these areas ? Do they follow tribal laws and have there own police ?

 
Our volunteers are told to stay away from the reservations on land seaches.  Several report seeing shot guns if they got too close. 
I posted in a trailer park in Vista.  One of the residents works at the reservation.  Have talked to him several times.  He got permission to
put up Amber's posters  there and keeps listening for tips. None to date. GM
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« Reply #761 on: May 28, 2009, 01:41:25 AM »

This is excellent.  I am hoping to set up another drone flight.  Clearly need overview of Jesmond Dene and Guajome Lake Rd.  Would be great if we could set up a priority list of suspected areas in similar format to this (and concurrent rationale).for overview photos.

Does anyone know a way to print Google Earth to show the terraine? It would sure help.

I hope you all take a look at the video.  Carrie has worked on it for the last month--pardon a Grandmom's bragging but a large segment of them I took.  Suspect that you  monkeys can figure out "my touch" on film.  Keen observation does that to you. Need all your skills ..keep them coming.

Crimes have a patterns...but, this is so hard because it does not seem to match with other abductions.  Too clean.  I am really afraid it was someone she knew...starting to rain...got in the car for ride to school. Lock mechanism to keep her inside. Discounts the eye witnesses, but makes sense to me that it happened before she got to school. What do you think?  Too many neighbors in past years murdered children nearby...even just now it's happened again.

And yes,  I so worry about a locked basement in a house that is right in view.  How do you find out if there is a basement in a house on a hill?  Ideas?

Thanks for being there. Ambers Grandmom



found this link to the Escondido Assessor's Office, it does NOT give detailed info on each address, but it gives some. You might try calling their office and ask them, there maybe a way for them to search for this.  It all should be public info.

http://www.escondido.org/parcels/s3223.html

Thanks. I think I'll need to have a contractor walk the area and eye-ball if there is space for a basement on the hill houses.  Then have the blueprints checked out at Building and Safety, Planning (or whatever they may call it there.) Will be tedious.  Anyone else in that area to help, let me know.  GM
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« Reply #762 on: May 28, 2009, 01:45:05 AM »

and found this

http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/depts/cd/building/guidelines/6.pdf

basically tells you it is public info and anyone can search the records looks like IN the office.

Like I said earlier, any monkeys in that area who can read blueprints, let me know and we can divide and conquer the housing suspects.  Thanks. GM
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« Reply #763 on: May 28, 2009, 01:56:29 AM »

Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

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Amber's class was first period. It was in the far back corner of the school, as far from the farm as possible, geographically. She did not have a place to go in the farm for her lamb or anything else until she paid the check to the teacher that morning.  So, the suggestion that she went to look for "her" lamb makes no sense.  She didn't have it yet. No 4H. Was Future Farmers.  She went to meetings.  There was one just before this that she attended with her Mom to learn about the cost, responsibilities, etc. of an animal.  The lamb is raised on the school farm ( 6 acres I think).  It is quite a place.  Kids start with a lamb or pig. Go to larger animal if they can afford it ...usually from the sale of the first one at the Fair.  Good kids.  Very into ag.  I have gone to the farm with Carrie, seen the lamb, shopped for the lamb, etc.
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« Reply #764 on: May 28, 2009, 01:57:25 AM »

It must be a page or 2 back as we were able to view a security video.
I do not have the ability or knowledge to save still images off video. I did stop the video at various points and viewed his face... and we are looking at a web video..
If it was the original video, I am sure they have a picture of his face,,


wasnt the description of the person walking near or with Amber kind of like this description?
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« Reply #765 on: May 28, 2009, 02:02:46 AM »

I do believe the F.B.I. could make it very clear with some very impressive software and people with know how on images..

But from the still alone his momma, brothers, sisters, wife, kids would know him

Don't believe everything you hear on TV about the software the FBI has.  Private enterprise has better. GN
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« Reply #766 on: May 28, 2009, 02:17:13 AM »

100 miles at 120mph is only, umm.. 45 minutes ..

Nolo contendere.  My car is spotted everywhere...whatever the speed...big Amber poster on door. Today someone saw it in restaurant parking lot at lunch
and came in to find me to say how her family was praying for us.  She went table to table. to find me.  That...was special. 
But, as to speed. At 120 mph a car would be going 2 miles a minute so it would take 50 minutes to make a 100 mile trip...wouldn't it??? Well, a bit longer to chat with CHP along the way.
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« Reply #767 on: May 28, 2009, 02:17:39 AM »

Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
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« Reply #768 on: May 28, 2009, 02:22:49 AM »

Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
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Thanks, Edward.  Quoting my dearest Amber: "nitey nite".
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« Reply #769 on: May 28, 2009, 12:01:51 PM »

Quote GM..
Our volunteers are told to stay away from the reservations on land seaches.  Several report seeing shot guns if they got too close. 
I posted in a trailer park in Vista.  One of the residents works at the reservation.  Have talked to him several times.  He got permission to
put up Amber's posters  there and keeps listening for tips. None to date. GM
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This is not good.. I count 5 Indian reservations in north Escondido..!!!!
If the perp is Indian, then he owns the perfect spot..
Is this the United States ?
This is what happens when our leaders give away America..But that is another story
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« Reply #770 on: May 28, 2009, 12:12:36 PM »

Be safe on your trip tomarrow.
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Thanks, Edward.  Quoting my dearest Amber: "nitey nite".

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« Reply #771 on: May 28, 2009, 12:14:09 PM »

Edward, you are exactly right on the aquaintances, that is what I am referring to. A better word might be someone who was not a stranger to Amber, and that she may have been familiar with.

GM and Ampersand- Can you give as much detail as possible as to Amber's Ag classes and 4H activities. Was this taking place at a farm? Where was her lamb, Annette, going to be raised?

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Amber's class was first period. It was in the far back corner of the school, as far from the farm as possible, geographically. She did not have a place to go in the farm for her lamb or anything else until she paid the check to the teacher that morning.  So, the suggestion that she went to look for "her" lamb makes no sense.  She didn't have it yet. No 4H. Was Future Farmers.  She went to meetings.  There was one just before this that she attended with her Mom to learn about the cost, responsibilities, etc. of an animal.  The lamb is raised on the school farm ( 6 acres I think).  It is quite a place.  Kids start with a lamb or pig. Go to larger animal if they can afford it ...usually from the sale of the first one at the Fair.  Good kids.  Very into ag.  I have gone to the farm with Carrie, seen the lamb, shopped for the lamb, etc.
Understood.
Where were the Future Farmers meeting held, and where is the school farm located?
Who staffs it, any migrant community?
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« Reply #772 on: May 28, 2009, 01:50:10 PM »

rez's can be very tricky to get on or to get info from the people there.  I will see what I can do to get some info to them and some info from them.  I have a few contacts.  It takes an act of God and a fed marshall to do anything if they decide they do not want you there.
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« Reply #773 on: May 28, 2009, 02:56:43 PM »

Thank you doubledecker..I was just checking into this..
I am happy to see you have some knowlege on it.
Federal marshall.. Good idea.
A friend of mine said the F.B.I. also has the ability to go any place.
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« Reply #774 on: May 28, 2009, 03:13:45 PM »

Thank you doubledecker..I was just checking into this..
I am happy to see you have some knowlege on it.
Federal marshall.. Good idea.
A friend of mine said the F.B.I. also has the ability to go any place.

rez's are Nations within themself, technically/legally they are not a part of the United states.  they are their own NATION.  federal marshalls are allowed on them
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« Reply #775 on: May 28, 2009, 03:23:01 PM »

actually, I guess I better clarify that a bit more. 

Nations have a right to self-govern, but if they have nothing set up to the effect, then there are times the state or local can issue warrants if they are going on to the rez to arrest someone.  However, if it interferes with the self-governing of the Nation, then they can't.  It all depends really on if there is a warrant issued for a specific crime, and if the Nations government has things in place to NOT allow someone other than themself to govern their Nation.

you will find different jurisdiction restrictions on different rez's depending on how their self-government is set up. But for police to just go on the rez and start snooping without warrants and without any specific reason, they do not have to allow them on there.  If the state or local jurisdictions are interfering with the Nation's self-government, they can't go on there..
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« Reply #776 on: May 28, 2009, 03:25:02 PM »

the best way to find out anything that might be happing on the rez etc, is for someone who knows someone to get ahold of Natives and just ask them if they have heard anything.  Will they tell you?  probably not
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« Reply #777 on: May 28, 2009, 03:34:15 PM »

Exactley.. 
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« Reply #778 on: May 28, 2009, 03:35:32 PM »

So the Culprit may reside there, and unless we have Proof positive no warrant to search his home at all will be issued. ?
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« Reply #779 on: May 28, 2009, 03:45:47 PM »

So the Culprit may reside there, and unless we have Proof positive no warrant to search his home at all will be issued. ?


not going to be easy at all. 

I think posting all over the area about the large reward would be the way to go. 

now one thing I am wondering.  "IF" there really was a dark-skinned boy walking with amber, and "IF" he is Native, is he also missing?  I think asking around to see if any Native boys are missing is a good idea. 
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