Natalee Case Discussion #803 2/25/09 - 3/1/09

[caesu]

Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?

And wth...why is he bringing up China?

he thinks the Dutch are mistreating Aruba.
so he picks the country with the largest population of the world and says the Dutch would treat China better than Aruba. 

[jen3560]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

[Keepthefaith]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

And these were the people looking for Natalee Holloway! How hard would it have been to buy these chumps off if you were Aruba?

[AZLady]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

Oh, Lifesong, I'd bet my seriously diminished retirement account that offshore accounts in Silvetti and Schaeffer's names were established in Aruba with hefty, multi-million dollar deposits, probably around the end of 2007, beginning of 2008.  They had business there at that time, doncha know.

[Lifesong]

Thanks ceasu!

Interesting that Aruba claims to be a part of the Dutch kingdom when it suits them.

And when it does not - they throw a fit about "interference".

And isn't Rudy Dutch himself?

And wth...why is he bringing up China?

he thinks the Dutch are mistreating Aruba.
so he picks the country with the largest population of the world and says the Dutch would treat China better than Aruba. 

ceasu,

I want to add my thanks to you for adding all of this information.  It helps so much with the bigger picture!

I haven't even had a chance to start looking at the VNO report...is the implication of his "early departure" from Aruba that Hans Mos was working with the Dutch, giving them information on Croes' corrupt government?

I've kind of assumed that, but I really don't know.

[Keepthefaith]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

[AZLady]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

And these were the people looking for Natalee Holloway! How hard would it have been to buy these chumps off if you were Aruba?

Aruba probably didn't even have to offer cash.  They could have offered exclusive rights to drill for the minerals, oil and gas found under the oceans around Aruba.  Aruba would waive all requirements for permits, licenses and other rubbish that they make up to refuse access to other parties.  And, remember, Aruba has an empty and abandoned refinery that they would love to see up and working again.  They could have offered that.  Not to mention the Aruban ability to hide and launder money, big amounts of money.  Oh, yes.  Aruba has a lot to offer the enterprising businessman, and it's not just cash.

[hotping]

KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 

Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box....

2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Found an article from 2006 that quotes Mermis (sp?) & Charles Zamora both with Superior Offshore.  At least it confirms he was employed by Schaefer for a while.  It also has pictures of the boats we've discussed that had been sold & contracted back.

http://www.offshoresource.com/pdf/os_aug_06.pdf

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Caps - Witness - Shango - Simian - Shango - Detective - Detective's Brother - Eduardo

Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


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CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.  The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.

I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.  On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.  It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1348 on: May 06, 2008, 03:06:59 AM »

Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379248#msg379248

[Lifesong]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Just my opinion, it's all about protection.  The key is in the Limited Liability.  Mortgage your assets up to more than their value if you can.  Insure them for the minimum required by the Bid Request. If a lawsuit does penetrate your LLC, there's nothing to be won because the creditor has first right to the asset.  You're protected.

 

Can you believe we are the same species that used to believe it was immoral to even charge interest?

[jen3560]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Oh, you mean this one with the same address as Legacy?


Greenhead Rentals, L L C
1042 Petroleum Pkwy, Broussard, LA 70518-8020
Contact Phone: (337) 367-3668 
URL (web address): 
Business Category: Heavy Construction Equipment Rental in Broussard, LA
Industry (SIC): Heavy Construction Equipment Rental and Leasing

Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $500,000 
Est. # of Employees: 10 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 10 
Year Started: 2007 
State of Incorp: 
SIC #Code: 7353 
Contact's Name: Graham Schaefer 
Contact's Title: 
NAICS: Construction, Mining, and Forestry Machinery and Equipment Rental and Leasing
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_6kv4ff

[wreck]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Just my opinion, it's all about protection.  The key is in the Limited Liability.  Mortgage your assets up to more than their value if you can.  Insure them for the minimum required by the Bid Request. If a lawsuit does penetrate your LLC, there's nothing to be won because the creditor has first right to the asset.  You're protected.

 

Can you believe we are the same species that used to believe it was immoral to even charge interest?

10% interest rates were considered "loan sharking"!

[Keepthefaith]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Oh, you mean this one with the same address as Legacy?


Greenhead Rentals, L L C
1042 Petroleum Pkwy, Broussard, LA 70518-8020
Contact Phone: (337) 367-3668 
URL (web address): 
Business Category: Heavy Construction Equipment Rental in Broussard, LA
Industry (SIC): Heavy Construction Equipment Rental and Leasing

Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $500,000 
Est. # of Employees: 10 
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 10 
Year Started: 2007 
State of Incorp: 
SIC #Code: 7353 
Contact's Name: Graham Schaefer 
Contact's Title: 
NAICS: Construction, Mining, and Forestry Machinery and Equipment Rental and Leasing
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_6kv4ff

I believe that would be it!

[2NJSons_Mom]

KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 

Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box....

2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.

You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit will be pleased.  The pond is no longer frozen over and the pathway leading to it is no longer covered with snow.  I will get Veggie to check the small bulbs in the Japanese laterns that outline that small body of water.  In a couple of months Kermit can swim with some large Goldfish that will take up residence.
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4574.700


fond memories of Ms. Janet and Veggies pond

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Kermit.

After the skating session ... remember how you, Miss Piggy, Veggie and I drank hot chocolate while warming ourselves in front of the livingroom fireplace.   The four of us talked and taked and taked.  The four of us laughed and laughed and laughed.

I am wishing for yesterday again.  I must be getting old.

 

Janet

[jen3560]

KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 

Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box....

2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.

 

[Lifesong]

Registered Legacy offshore right before they go to Aruba??

KTF:  Not only that, it was 5 days after that Q3 Earnings Conference Call.  They already had the papers back from the attorney, imo.

 

I tell ya, the human ego is something to be afraid of.

I'm interested in all the company name changes

Superior Diving/Superior Offshore
Legacy Diging & Construction/Legacy Offshore

Not to mention his holding companies

Schaefer Holdings (x 2)
Schaefer Realty Holdings (or whatever that other one was I found yesterday)

Why the need for all of that, if everything is on the up and up?

And those are just the ones we know about

Dont forget Greenhead Rentals which is under his son's name i believe.In the court documents in the class-action it state's that he was paying his son's for doing nothing.Learning about Greenhead rentals and it's relationship with the other's owned by Scheafer!

Yeah, I've been seeing these Rental companies with both Schaefer and with Silvetti.  I think that may be a way they get revenue from some of their equipment when the ship its assigned to is in drydock (I'm making this up, just so you know, haven't researched it at all.) 

It's a way to at least recoup some revenue for the costs of maintenance and repair on the ship. 

Example:  Legacy owns a fancy thingamabob it won't be using for the next 6 months.
              Greenhead rents it from Legacy for $100/day
              AAA Offshore, doing a project in the Gulf had an ok thingamabob, but it just broke - so they call Greenhead and rent one the fancy one for $200/day so they don't get behind schedule.

Again - I'm making all of this up.  Just makes sense to me.

[AZLady]

Janet, the phrasing of Kyle's requests bothers me.  He NEEDS to know.  Why?  Is there someone inside the ALE who is still honest and can't be bought?  Is there someone who would betray them should they find Natalee's remains and destroy these remains without giving them to her family?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Caps - Witness - Shango - Simian - Shango - Detective - Detective's Brother - Eduardo

Kyle: We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

Kyle: This is what I'm trying to figure out now. I need to know the leak! I believe Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand

Kyle: I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.

Kyle: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle:  IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange. None of us pressed the two for more information because they clearly were VERY uncomfortable.

The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.

His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Personally, I think the detective was Simian. The guy kept his mouth shut for the most part but was obviously intelligent and knew a lot more than he led on. It didn't seem he immediately trusted us but gradually became more comfortable, enough to talk.

I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap. Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later. I think the whole game was bogus and he knew almost everything but was helping how he was able and felt comfortable. I don't understand why he had to use his brother and claim a "vision".

The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up. Not wanting to be implicated but still wanting to help, he could shift the information to a vision of his brothers, perhaps still help a bit and claim no-involvement. However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion. Perhaps I should find out his name. I never got it. We may never have.

Kyle: Based on the little I know of Simian, there are striking similarities that stood out after I laid down on the evening I met with the detective and his brother.Perhaps Simian is the detective and Shango is the brother.

Kyle:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk. The brother did all the talking at first. It seemed to me the brother was acting out the "vision" scenario to protect the detective brother. It didn't feel like the brother was in any way corrupt or connected. Also, he wasn't that bright compared to the detective brother. After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him.

Kyle:  The reason I think the detective is Simian is that:
- he is intimately connected to the case
- forced into silence
- both he and the brother seemed to want the case solved but the whole encounter was so cryptic
- he is condemned if his identity and knowledge were coth exposed. One or the other, he's still safe
- he was intelligent and had a good enough command over the english language (not common over the rest of the bunch)
- IF his brother was acting on his behalf with the whole 'I had a vision' act, then the detective's character supports pulling something like Simian off.
- the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.
- It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.
- his character was very cryptic; the way he moved, spoke, and asked questions was just not normal.

Kyle:  Caps is not Simian. He has indicated he knows who was either Shango or Simian. The person he thinks it is, is a cop.

Kyle:  It was Clyde Burke that went to the meeting with Helen Lejuz

Kyle:  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.


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CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.  The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.

I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.  On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.  It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2000


CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1348 on: May 06, 2008, 03:06:59 AM »

Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379248#msg379248

[hotping]

KTF,

Just wanted to post for Hotping and her PO Box research that I looked for a connection between Lisa A Anderson and William J Anderson (attorney for Superior Offshore mentioned in one of your posts last thread).  I came up short and had to give it up for a while.  There may be no connection, whatsoever, but the surname (which is common) stood out for me at the time. 

Thanks 2NJ.....Could anyone tell me the name of the law firm that William Anderson is associated with and where it is located...TIA...I have multiple things going on today...and I will let You all know later what I have come up with in regards to the PO Box....

2NJ.... Are You sure that the name was William J Anderson or Could it have been William S Anderson see last of article below....

http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=38442772


Key developments for undefined (undefined)
Superior Offshore International, Inc. signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million.
10/18/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (NasdaqNM: DEEP) signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC from Karl Winter for $15.21 million in stock on October 18, 2007. As per the terms of the agreement Superior Offshore will issue 0.96 million shares at the time of closing and keep 0.32 million shares shall be deposited in escrow for a period of two years following the closing which will be delivered to Karl Winter on the second anniversary of the closing. Karl Winter, Ocean Flow's founder will join Superior as Senior Vice President of Engineering and Subsea Development and continue his responsibilities as President of Ocean Flow, which will become a wholly owned subsidiary of Superior Offshore. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, execution of escrow agreement, execution of employment agreement and requiring that no law shall have been enacted, entered, promulgated or enforced by any governmental authority that prohibits or materially or adversely restricts the consummation of the transactions contemplated hereby or the operation of the business following closing. Superior Offshore or Karl may terminate the agreement if the closing shall not have occurred on or before November 30, 2007. Superior Offshore entered into an amendment agreement with Ocean Flow on November 29, 2007, pursuant to which date after which the parties may terminate the agreement if the closing of the merger has not occurred was extended from November 30, 2007 to December 28, 2007. William S. Anderson of Bracewell & Giuliani LLP acted as a legal advisor to Superior Offshore International, Inc.

You're right, my typo.   Was just about to post.

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/home.home/home.cfm

http://www.bracewellgiuliani.com/index.cfm/fa/lawyer.profile/attorney/83d25416-4b90-4726-a9dd-788eb4a1847b/William_S_Anderson.cfm

Thanks 2NJ......Back to researching I go....BBL