Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[SunFreak2]

[Why doesn't the NL just dump Aruba as one of their protectorates or whatever they call the Netherlands Antilles?  It seems Aruba is just shaming them and draining money from them.  I doubt if Aruba ever gave them one dime of the profits from tourism. Or perhaps tt's a symbiotic relationship and the NL needs them to tranship their drugs in & out, and launder their dirty money too.

What bothers me the most about Aruba's judicial system is that it is based on the one in the NL's which is also the basis of the world court.  Look at what happened in the Milosevic trial where they dragged their feet so long, the defendent died in prison.  But yet, they are trying to expedite this case for the vd Sloots.

Sunfreak,
The World Court is NOT based on Dutch law at all.  That is merely the location of the physical proceedings of the court the way the United Nations is in our country but we do not control it.

The World Court operates under International Laws and Treaties and those are established as a part of the UN and other international organizations.

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Your right Anna. I defer to you on this issue.  However I would like to add that I knew the world court law itself was based on International Laws, but I thought the framework of how the Word Court works was based more on the Dutch system than our system.

I'm going to bed.  I'm not making myself clear tonight.  I don't want to confuse the issues or make anyone aggravated with me.

Goodnight everyone.  Pleasant dreams to all except those guilty of crimes against Natalee.

[Carnut]

Heh, heh, just caught myself wondering if RWV still existed, too lazy to go check myself.

Anyone remember that there was a 'refugees' site from RWV back in the early days, some lady got on the wrong side of Dan and went and started her own forum. Is that forum still around or did it become part of one of the other sites we discuss?

[Yellow Ribbon]

Yellow Ribbon - I doubt that it's accurate at all.  It's a compilation of articles and internet rumors.  I was just trying to find when the rumor of Paulus was started.  I'd love to see who originally posted the rumor as well.

Sorry to pull you off topic. That error in the timeline was just one of those things that stood out to me.

No problem!  

Back in the very beginning of the case there was alot of bad information.  This time line someone attempted to put together on July 9th, 2005..that's very early in the case.

It's sad how early that seems now. Back then July 9th was about 6 weeks into the case and almost a month after the networks mistakenly announced that Natalee had been found dead. Considering that Beth and her friends had fingered Joran, etc. within hours, 6 weeks seemed like an eternity.

[Yellow Ribbon]

This reporter on Fox's The Lineup can't pronounce Meridian, MS.

[sb]

When July 1st came, it seemed like this case had already dragged on forever. If we had known...

I have saved the 1st page of the 1st thread in this Forum, from June 11th, 2005.  The #3 post on that page, someone said, "It's about time we had answers, this has dragged on too long". Wow. And we are here...

[Carnut]

This reporter on Fox's The Lineup can't pronounce Meridian, MS.

Yeah, but all them FOX gals are real Babes aren't they?

[sb]

And with that I think I will bid all you goodnight. Good seeing everyone in here tonight... been a little empty lately.

[Yellow Ribbon]

When July 1st came, it seemed like this case had already dragged on forever. If we had known...

I have saved the 1st page of the 1st thread in this Forum, from June 11th, 2005.  The #3 post on that page, someone said, "It's about time we had answers, this has dragged on too long". Wow. And we are here...

I know that's how I felt on June 11th.

[Yellow Ribbon]

This reporter on Fox's The Lineup can't pronounce Meridian, MS.

Yeah, but all them FOX gals are real Babes aren't they?

How many blondes does it take to pronounce Meridian?   How many more does it take to spell Mississippi?  

[the big hammer]

PVDS 5:00 pm Airport Pickup on 5/29/05

Are greta interviews available for posting?

Didn't jvds mention this?

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[Carnut]

This reporter on Fox's The Lineup can't pronounce Meridian, MS.

Yeah, but all them FOX gals are real Babes aren't they?

How many blondes does it take to pronounce Meridian?   How many more does it take to spell Mississippi?  

Ah, do old guys like me, 'really' care?

[klaasend]

PVDS 5:00 pm Airport Pickup on 5/29/05

Are greta interviews available for posting?

Didn't jvds mention this?

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Greta interview with Joran is posted at Scrux.  I just read through it and couldn't find any reference to Paulus being in Holland.

Edited to add:  It's posted here as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=56

[Anna]

[Why doesn't the NL just dump Aruba as one of their protectorates or whatever they call the Netherlands Antilles?  It seems Aruba is just shaming them and draining money from them.  I doubt if Aruba ever gave them one dime of the profits from tourism. Or perhaps tt's a symbiotic relationship and the NL needs them to tranship their drugs in & out, and launder their dirty money too.

What bothers me the most about Aruba's judicial system is that it is based on the one in the NL's which is also the basis of the world court.  Look at what happened in the Milosevic trial where they dragged their feet so long, the defendent died in prison.  But yet, they are trying to expedite this case for the vd Sloots.

Sunfreak,
The World Court is NOT based on Dutch law at all.  That is merely the location of the physical proceedings of the court the way the United Nations is in our country but we do not control it.

The World Court operates under International Laws and Treaties and those are established as a part of the UN and other international organizations.

.

Your right Anna. I defer to you on this issue.  However I would like to add that I knew the world court law itself was based on International Laws, but I thought the framework of how the Word Court works was based more on the Dutch system than our system.

I'm going to bed.  I'm not making myself clear tonight.  I don't want to confuse the issues or make anyone aggravated with me.

Goodnight everyone.  Pleasant dreams to all except those guilty of crimes against Natalee.

Sorry if I misunderstand but there is nothing uniquely Dutch and even the language used by the court would be English and French the languages of Business/Diplomacy instead of Dutch.  It operates fully under United nations protocol which is not much better than Aruban IMO, lol.

But the Dutch are only the Landlords of the building just as we are of the UN building.  And I suppose many Dutch are employed there as support personnel but they have no more say about anything than any other member nation.  It is not a part of their national court system and is totally independent.  While it does seem to drag its feet on everything, this is one we can't blame on the Dutch but rather the UN who basically runs the thing.

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[Kat_Gram]

I KNEW I needed to read PVDS statement. There is a lot of new stuff there.

I find it telling, and almost incontrovertible, that Joran WAS NOT IN SCHOOL ON MONDAY. I don't see how we can get anything else from that statement but that Joran MISSED that day. The headmaster was wrong about days and dates. Simple.

And THAT fact, says a great deal. There was a LOT of time to clean up any number of messes.

I also find the fact that Joran "won" $$$ and had his father deposit it VERY suspicious. 2 words: Money Laundering.

Joran came up with $$$ he couldn't account for, on Sunday night/Monday morning. Who says he won it? Is it a PAYOFF of some kind from someone outside?

Dad gave it "legitimacy" by depositing it himself.

Your thoughts?

It is 300.00 $$$$$$ that he won . ??/
Money laundering ? No one launders these palltry amounts.

[Carnut]

PVDS 5:00 pm Airport Pickup on 5/29/05

Are greta interviews available for posting?

Didn't jvds mention this?

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Greta interview with Joran is posted at Scrux.  I just read through it and couldn't find any reference to Paulus being in Holland.

Edited to add:  It's posted here as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=56

Yep, nothing in there about airport pickup, I am mystified.

[Kat_Gram]

They can't just " dump" Aruba.
They have an agreement where Aruba will obtain its full independence from Holland in the future.

[justinsmama]

Good night, all. I've stayed up way too late! Pity my clients tomorrow, as I'm an air head on the best of days...

[justinsmama]

BTW, isn't Natalee lovely?

[Kat_Gram]

PVDS 5:00 pm Airport Pickup on 5/29/05

Are greta interviews available for posting?

Didn't jvds mention this?

/

Greta interview with Joran is posted at Scrux.  I just read through it and couldn't find any reference to Paulus being in Holland.

Edited to add:  It's posted here as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=56

Yep, nothing in there about airport pickup, I am mystified.

Maybe it was in one of the Paulus interviews. There was a great discussion about Paulus coming home from NL and the first thing he does is go to a casino with Joran, just b/c it was a " free tournamant " and he wants to check it out.

[klaasend]

BTW, isn't Natalee lovely?

Yes, she is...

Goodnight!