Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[the big hammer]

PVDS: Desperate to make a "Deposit" at CMB

This banking activity is highly suspicious.  According to pvds June 23 statement:

1.  05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.

So far seems like a normal morning in the sloot slum.  pvds wakes up to alarm at 05:45.

2.  ...if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work. The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours.
OK.  So now, after rousing the kiddies from their beds and making them some breakfast, etc and trundling the lads off to school, pvds arrives at work at 8:00am.  So by this we assume, he is in his office, presumabaly in Orangstead at this time.

3.  I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work.

After two hours at the desk, pvds decides it's time to make a bank visit.  So Paulus arrives at the CMB Bank at 10:00am to find the lines too long and not worth the wait.  During this visit, we must assume that Paulus is visiting the CMB branch in Orangstead, because, after all he is at work nearby and he claims to return to work:

http://www.cmbnv.com/main_branch.php

Addressing some previous posts, I would say it's highly likely that Paulus was in bank at this stated time.  Banks have the latest in surveillance equipment and technology and it's constantly deployed and in use -- especially during banking hours.  Hence, it's more than likely that Paulus appears on the bank security tapes.

4.  I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

So now Paulus does some work and at 3:00pm (12.00 hours -- military time is noon) he decides it's time to retry banking so he leaves the office (early) and heads to the Noord CMB branch and arrives there at 3:30pm.  Note, Paulus has not gone to bank during lunch hour, as is customary and usual, and he leaves work very early.  Note too, that Paulus elects to travel 1/2 hour all the way back to Noord to make a $285 bank deposit.

CMB Noord branch: http://www.cmbnv.com/noord.php

5. To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank.

OK.  So Paulus goes directly to bank.  It takes about 1/2 hour to drive from Orangstead to Noord, according to him at this time of day.

6.  After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According to me both Rita and Joran where at home.

So, about 4:15pm, Paulus arrives home and both Rita and Joran are there.  Looks like he cut his work day short, and knew he was doing so ahead of time, as he drove to Noord to do the banking.  And then went straight home.

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All in all, this is an awful lot of effort to make a $285 deposit.  

And it's also odd that Rita the maid is at the sloot house when she testifies that she left that day at noon:

"On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following: I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00. "

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[bleachedblack]

I am not a person who follows any organized, or recognized religion. I pray, and I believe in a God. I am sure many here have seen Beth's Hour of power video........but I would wager to say there is no person that can watch this video and feel Beth is lying about anything. IMO.

http://www.hourofpower.org/video/video.cfm

[Anna]

Anna thank-you for the explanation. I thought I was missing something in my understanding of what was being said.

By-the way Anna on a personal note Bestbuddy sends her regards. She also wants me to tell you that the little white dog in your signature is the absolute cutest thing!

My best right back at her and thanks for the compliment on the dogs.  The little girl in the red dress is not mine and I don't have that breed but wish she were.  Might be too much of a princess for around here, however!

And I do remember Natalee had that banded $50 in $1 for tips that I believe Jug said he got for her as well.  Guess she was not one of the big tippers, lol.  Kids are usually embarrassed to tip I have found or they don't understand how or why.  I thought I was the only one who got those $1 for that and mine have every time brought them back home undistributed.  I don't know why for they are not stingy at all but think they felt awkward tipping.  

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[SunFreak2]

4:30 PM = On 6-20 ANDRE MONTIVAL AOKI DOS SANTOS (a.k.a. “Dre”) stated to the ARUBAN Police:

<QUOTE>

On your question if I on Sunday, May 29 2005, met Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold'm poker Tournament". Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "black-Jack" and I continued play poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the black-jack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students who were on holiday in Aruba talking. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play black-jack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with black-jack because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group girls who were playing black-Jack with Joran walk by and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening hours because they would like to meet him there. Joran answered for them not to worry, he would go. On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys” and we all got into my fathers pick up and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pick-up of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in the hamlet Noord. I don’t know their address but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife at their home my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home. I studied first and afterwards slept because I had a "physics" examination to take on Monday, May 30, 2005, from 07.30 till 10.00. I do recall that Joran asked me if I wanted to accompany him to Carlos & Charlies but I answered him that I could not go because I had an examination the next day.


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Interesting that Andre doesn't mention Joran taking Paulus's place when Paulus had to leave or that Joran won money in that tournament. But he does mention that Joran was the first to lose out of the tourny.  Then when Andre lost he found Joran at the BlackJack table with the MB girls.  

Bunch of hooey and ALE doesn't bother to follow-up with more questions.

[Anna]

O/T

Klaas,
The baby panda is perfectly posed and smiling in her sleep.  Any way you could get me a quick screen shot?  Sorry. .  . . .

[Anna]

Be back later. . . .

[klaasend]

O/T

Klaas,
The baby panda is perfectly posed and smiling in her sleep.  Any way you could get me a quick screen shot?  Sorry. .  . . .

Trying, I'm getting a blank screen right now.  Will keep trying.

[Anna]

2 years

O/T

Klaas,
The baby panda is perfectly posed and smiling in her sleep.  Any way you could get me a quick screen shot?  Sorry. .  . . .

Trying, I'm getting a blank screen right now.  Will keep trying.

Mine went out too!  If you can get it fine but know you are too busy to keep trying.  Just if you think about it, no biggie.  She will be there for a while.   2years I think.

[klaasend]

O/T

Klaas,
The baby panda is perfectly posed and smiling in her sleep.  Any way you could get me a quick screen shot?  Sorry. .  . . .

Trying, I'm getting a blank screen right now.  Will keep trying.

Still nothing.  Are you still getting the cam ok?

[Carnut]

I know you all seem to be focusing on PVDS statement about that bank as some sort or suspicous activity at the bank itself, but I think the bank is just being used as a ruse to excuse PVDS absence from the office.

When I think of banking and queues I only think of 'Drive Thru' and yes frequently there can be daunting queues there. So PVDS can say he had gone to the bank thinking no one could verify if he was actually there or not because he didn't stop because of the long 'Drive Thru' queues. I know drive thru is never mentioned, but still, going to the bank for me, only means drive thru.

Later when he says he left again for the bank it could have been 'Drive Thru' or outside ATM, again to cover for other activities that may have also taken place that day.

[AZLady]

Well over a year ago I posted about my suspicions that Paulus was involved in the money laundering business on Aruba, using the casinos to move the cash.  Now we have Paulus' own statement that he made two visits to the Bank of Aruba on one day--once at 10 am and again at 3:30 pm.  This is just my own suspicion, and I have no evidence, but I would bet a big bill that this was a regular run for Paulus.  I wonder if PVDS regularly made morning and afternoon bank drops, and at different branches, too.  It's just all too convenient.

[bleachedblack]

Well over a year ago I posted about my suspicions that Paulus was involved in the money laundering business on Aruba, using the casinos to move the cash.  Now we have Paulus' own statement that he made two visits to the Bank of Aruba on one day--once at 10 am and again at 3:30 pm.  This is just my own suspicion, and I have no evidence, but I would bet a big bill that this was a regular run for Paulus.  I wonder if PVDS regularly made morning and afternoon bank drops, and at different branches, too.  It's just all too convenient.

I think that too is the likely case. Paulus had to find a ligit reason for explaining why he had to go to the bank twice in one day. His explaination would not seem justified considering the time it would take to drive there and back 2X. the logical thing would have been to wait in line in the drive through, or go inside?

[robots]

i wish we coudl find out something like the BANK was closed that day


due to construction, or decontamination  

[AZLady]

I get the impression from his statement that he went to see a particular teller to handle his transaction.  After all, if you are frequently depositing large amounts of money, twice a day, into different accounts, banks get very, very suspicious.  Unless, of course, you are using a teller who knows how to handle the cash deposits and what accounts to put them in.  

PVDS is so involved in the money-laundering on that island that its practically a glowing neon sign on his forhead!  Frequent gambling in the casinos--on a civil servant's salary?  Not unless you are gambling with the casinos money.  Frequent travel to Holland, the US and other countries--not on a civil servant's salary.  An attorney who can handle the accounting is a valuable team player.  He was compensated well.  He also knows who does what and to whom.  Valuable information for a man in his middle-management position.  PVDS is so guilty of money-laundering that even the Arubans are having trouble looking the other way.

[robots]

humph, i wonder if the SWEAT HOG is sweating today  

[robots]

PAULUS leaves work to go to the BANK at 10 am ??????????

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paulus the squalus, that is a TERRIBLE LIE  

[robots]

Pualus SECRET MISSION was to pick up the "LOST SNEAKERS"


 

[AZLady]

And, the next obvious question is why doesn't the Aruban Prosecutor subpoena the bank records of Joran and PVDS?  We all know the answer to that one.  She's in this up to her neck and beginning to choke on it.

Gee, do you think the de Vries people will get the banking records on PVDS and gambling son, JVDS?  I hope so.  I hope the Bank of Aruba decides to investigate PVDS's banking.  That won't happen, but at least the Dutch have decided they will not loan these Aruban banks any more money.  Think they have a clue?  hmmmm....

[Leslie]

I remember being a naive 18 year old living on my own in Toronto and steady dating a guy named Tom.  Tom lived about a mile away from me and would pass by my place most mornings to drive me to work as we both worked downtown.   One Thursday morning, I saw a parking ticket on the dashboard and looked at it while my boyfriend was in the coffee shop - it was from the night before and named a street just off Yonge St.
which is the main drag in Toronto.  My boyfriend had finished telling me about his evening of watching the hockey game on TV with the "boys" in the west end.    When he returned to the car and I asked him if he had gone straight home after and he said "of course, why?" I asked him "how did you get a parking ticket, last night, downtown?"  A simple explanation: he loaned his car to a friend named Roy and he had parked in an alley behind the bar and got the ticket.  So the next time I saw Roy, I asked him if he had paid Tom back.  Roy didn't know what I was talking about and Tom admitted that all the "boys" had gone downtown for one drink but that he couldn't tell me the truth because I might think he was cheating on me!!  I replied that I hadn't thought of that but now that you mention it...did you?  He would NEVER do that.     That happened in the first month I knew him and it only got worse.  He could never remember all his lies and I used to have an excellent memory and would catch him every time.  He would even change his story as he was telling it.  " You did do that ?  I thought you said you didn't do that?  I used to wonder how anyone could lie so easily until one morning when Tom did not show up at the usual time for the drive to work and I called his house and asked his father if Tom had left.  His father told me he would ask Tom and came back on the phone to say that Tom was in bed and he was sick and not going to work.  I had to rush to get to the subway and ran out my front door and there was Tom sitting in his car asking me why wasn't I ready to leave.  
The point of this trip down memory lane is that one learns about honesty from the parents and if they are liars the kids will have a problem with the truth also.  I see it in Paul, Anita and Joran.

[AZLady]

Wouldn't you think that since Paulus brought up his two visits to the bank the day after Natalee disappeared, that the Prosecutor would subpoena those records?  Just to verify his statements, you know.  Actually, wouldn't you think the Prosecutor might want to take a look at PVDS's records and the bank video from the entire month before and after the crime?  Our authorities would do that.  So, what's Aruba waiting for?