Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[Buckeye]

To Refugees

If you read the Joe Taco papers, Watson turned her pictures over to the FBI.  Please get off the Marcia conspiracy and MB coverup.  If you put half the effort into research as you do into trashing, you might get somewhere.

[Carnut]

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

Yes, that was suspicious precisely for the reason you mention, but she claims it was a scheduled family affair/reunion thing that apparently PVDS didn't need to attend.

[Leslie]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

[justinsmama]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeah, isn't that one just a real treat?  

[Tylergal]

MF at RU just brought up something interresting.  IF there was a phone call from Natalee saying "I don't know these people", where was it made from?

MF wrote:

I also read that they heard waves crashing in the background, no house near the Mariott area is that close to hear those waves that do not crash at that beach.

Regarding Andre, I guess we should wait for PV's if they have this, to read about it. That they do not have it, does not mean that it does not exist, they only have I might guess, about 10% of the pages in the investigation....


I wonder if the Gottenbos home is close enough to the beach to hear the waves crashing?

We have a PV from Andre...what's this about??

Well, if the wave bit is accurate...you could certainly hear them on a boat...

Someone was speculating that the call might have been made from Andre Dos Santos home which is near the Marriott.  MF is saying that there are no homes near the Marriott close enough to hear the waves.

I am not finsihed reading and I probably should but Melody lives near the Marriott.

[Tylergal]

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

Yes, that was suspicious precisely for the reason you mention, but she claims it was a scheduled family affair/reunion thing that apparently PVDS didn't need to attend.

To answer Kat_Gram, I guess the ones with the see-through blouses and as to your question, Carnut, perhaps no one in her family liked Paulus or her kids.

[Buckeye]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeh..I really think they must be getting paid...there just can't be that many mean/hateful people feeding on each other without some type of renumeration...They are so illogical...it makes my head hurt...at times, one has a spark of critical thinking and then BAM, the thought gets twisted and placed in the stupid bucket.

[klaasend]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeh..I really think they must be getting paid...there just can't be that many mean/hateful people feeding on each other without some type of renumeration...They are so illogical...it makes my head hurt...at times, one has a spark of critical thinking and then BAM, the thought gets twisted and placed in the stupid bucket.

I think the main players are paid, Glenda, MF, Scubajap and a few others.  The rest are lost soles that need to feel special and part of a group.

[Buckeye]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeh..I really think they must be getting paid...there just can't be that many mean/hateful people feeding on each other without some type of renumeration...They are so illogical...it makes my head hurt...at times, one has a spark of critical thinking and then BAM, the thought gets twisted and placed in the stupid bucket.

I think the main players are paid, Glenda, MF, Scubajap and a few others.  The rest are lost soles that need to feel special and part of a group.

You're probably right...but they wouldn't be so lost if they picked their groups better.  There are so many needs in the world.  They should attempt some good with their time.  They would feel better in the long wrong.  If it's a job with money, then you do what you need to do.  Better choice might be to find a different job.  I wouldn't be able to sleep.

[Leslie]

Actually, it is comforting to think that most of the RU are in it for the money.  It proves that they are just money whores and not raving lunatics.  Wang Chung must be just raking in the guilders/florins/dollars.

[Ono]

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeh..I really think they must be getting paid...there just can't be that many mean/hateful people feeding on each other without some type of renumeration...They are so illogical...it makes my head hurt...at times, one has a spark of critical thinking and then BAM, the thought gets twisted and placed in the stupid bucket.

I think the main players are paid, Glenda, MF, Scubajap and a few others.  The rest are lost soles that need to feel special and part of a group.

Paid or needy -- they're all schmucks. Detestable to the core.

[SunFreak2]

Are the Refugees giving legitimacy now to the "I don't know these people" phone call with these comments? What do y'all think? It sounds like they are treating the call as a FACT and discussing it on technical grounds (sounds in background etc.)

I have never been convinced that it was Mico the Monkey screching in the background, I feel that it was noise from a party or perhaps like they are saying, the sound of waves... or a boat.

NO

All I'm saying is that IF there was a call, and IF the sound of waves crashing was heard in the background, it would likely be in an area closer to Malmuk or Arashi Beach.

We know the tide was out, but coming back to a high tide that occurred at around 6:00 AM.

Arashi is described as shallow peaceful waters. Malmuk is also shallow waters and so is Hadicurari (FH).  The would have more lapping water than crashing waves.  Beaches that have the crashing waves are on the northern side of the island.  

If they were still up by the lighthouse could the sounds of the beach from Andicuri be heard?  Or could they have been near where the fabric and shallow grave were found near Dos Playa?

Andicuri- extreme NE tip up by the lighthouse has waves for surfing and body surfing.

Dos Playa – Surrounded by a rocky coastline, Dos Playa is a white beach with great waves. Advanced surfers go for an extreme surfing experience here, as the strong winds can be overwhelming for novice enthusiast.  

[Kat_Gram]

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

Yes, that was suspicious precisely for the reason you mention, but she claims it was a scheduled family affair/reunion thing that apparently PVDS didn't need to attend.

A scheduled family re union. Usually, when we do these " family ' things, the family goes ! !

[Ono]

Another reason to think Paulus did not go to the so-called family reunion in Holland re:

From Paulus' statement :

1) " To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day. "

2) " To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus,
I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch. "

1) Alright...he is saying " in the period that Anita is away"..he doesn't say in the period that WE were away...

2)  Here is states that he watches them get on the bus....SO he has been there during the entire period that Anita was away, and he has been there to see them on the bus for THE ENTIRE PERIOD.

He wasn't in Holland at all, IMO.

[San]

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

Yes, that was suspicious precisely for the reason you mention, but she claims it was a scheduled family affair/reunion thing that apparently PVDS didn't need to attend.

A scheduled family re union. Usually, when we do these " family ' things, the family goes ! !

The Sloots aren't normal family.

[oldfart]

Hi gang..
Just peeking in ... for a bit..
Need to pack for a dull 3 day trip  

After reading the FP and Aruba's loans (?) from Holland

Aruba now wants to borrow 50 million dollars from the Deutsche Bank, but this bank doesn’t want to complete the transaction as long as the Federal Government does not approve the loan.

( I assume that that this is Hollands Federal Govt. and not our     )

I seem    to remember something a about a provision in their
"Semi - Independent Status" being Dependent on Payments to Holland???
Some one help me out here please...

Could  Holland  "Revoke"  Aruba's semi independent status ??[/quote]

[klaasend]

Another reason to think Paulus did not go to the so-called family reunion in Holland re:

From Paulus' statement :

1) " To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day. "

2) " To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus,
I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch. "

1) Alright...he is saying " in the period that Anita is away"..he doesn't say in the period that WE were away...

2)  Here is states that he watches them get on the bus....SO he has been there during the entire period that Anita was away, and he has been there to see them on the bus for THE ENTIRE PERIOD.

He wasn't in Holland at all, IMO.

Plus according to Andre's statement, Paulus was already gambling with his date by 4:30 on 5/29.

From Andre dos Santos, June 20, 2005 statement:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold'm poker Tournament". Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "black-Jack" and I continued play poker

[SunFreak2]

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

A teacher like Anita!    
She's an art teacher or whatever it is she describes herself as.

And if it was a family reunion, what type of family reunion starts in the middle of the week and ends in the middle of the following week?  Why didn't she just go for the weekend?  If her kids were having finals in school, what kind of mother would leave her children for a whole week during all of that?  Most would stay home to make sure the kids ate right, got their sleep and studied.  But I guess when you Mom is the school teacher and your Daddy is the judge you don't have to do any of those things to pass to the next grade.

[robots]

To Refugees

If you read the Joe Taco papers, Watson turned her pictures over to the FBI.  Please get off the Marcia conspiracy and MB coverup.  If you put half the effort into research as you do into trashing, you might get somewhere.

that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  PLAYED


       

[robots]

paulus went to the BANK for real the second time in the day to get money from his SAFE DEPOSIT BOX

untraceable

he had to pay people off