Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[robots]

The Sound of Waves ?!?

Those aren't "waves" you're hearing, kids.

That's the sound of a coverup beginning it's inevitable, groaning crash to the ground.

I thought there was "no" call.  Gerben said that even if there was a call it was "inconclusive" in terms of id-ing the female voice.  So I guess now there "was" a call.  Because after all we all know there was a call because it has been attested to and beth and greta both discussed this call --on air -- and beth stated she "believed" it was from Natalee.  We have the words of Spencer Bachus, who upon hearing the words of the call and being told of their meaning, said "...this was NOT a teen who simply wandered off..."

The call, if verified (via BHT affadavit) as being Natalee is slam-dunk, see you in 20 years, evidence of KIDNAPPING.  Exactly the charge FAT BOY VAN DER STRAATEN said didn't happen.  Oh, you mean she was abducted, assualted and murdered because she WANTED THAT?

WAVES ?!?

I don't hear waves.  I hear a young girl crying for help.

Kidnapping, anyone?

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the HAMMER STRIKES AGAIN  

[Ono]

The Sound of Waves ?!?

Those aren't "waves" you're hearing, kids.

That's the sound of a coverup beginning it's inevitable, groaning crash to the ground.

I thought there was "no" call.  Gerben said that even if there was a call it was "inconclusive" in terms of id-ing the female voice.  So I guess now there "was" a call.  Because after all we all know there was a call because it has been attested to and beth and greta both discussed this call --on air -- and beth stated she "believed" it was from Natalee.  We have the words of Spencer Bachus, who upon hearing the words of the call and being told of their meaning, said "...this was NOT a teen who simply wandered off..."

The call, if verified (via BHT affadavit) as being Natalee is slam-dunk, see you in 20 years, evidence of KIDNAPPING.  Exactly the charge FAT BOY VAN DER STRAATEN said didn't happen.  Oh, you mean she was abducted, assualted and murdered because she WANTED THAT?

WAVES ?!?

I don't hear waves.  I hear a young girl crying for help.

Kidnapping, anyone?

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the HAMMER STRIKES AGAIN  

One of the best ones yet !!!!!!!!!!!!  Semper Fi ~

[robots]

so maybe PAULUS goes to work, leaves at 10 to go to the BANK  

but he really goes to talk with someone on the phone, you really cant be talking about a murder cover up in your office, well in TOILET
you can

For your information i do not refer to ARUBA as ARUBA anymore, i only refer to it as TOILET, not the TOILET only TOILET


PAULUS was making arrangements that morning from his cell phone  

[mrs. red]

Ok monkeys I hate to just drive by but it's been a busy night at the red's ... lots of chores...

I do want to say good night and keep the faith!!

[robots]

Ok monkeys I hate to just drive by but it's been a busy night at the red's ... lots of chores...

I do want to say good night and keep the faith!!

gnite mate

[Mere]

robots.....you made me log in.....    

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

[San]

robots.....you made me log in.....    

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

Hi Mere

[klaasend]

robots.....you made me log in.....    

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

  Sometimes Robots is easier to understand like this!  

[Mere]

Hi San and Klaasend.....

I try to keep up by reading a few times a day....mostly do not have anything to add....lots of thinking monkeys on this site.....watching from the trees...!  

[robots]

robots.....you made me log in.....    

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

  Sometimes Robots is easier to understand like this!  

       

[Lala'sMom]

So I guess we are back to the "there was NO call" theory again? Which is it? Call or no call?  I think a call happened...

[robots]

robots.....you made me log in.....    

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

im glad you are here to see a ROBOT TRANSLATION    

[igsigs]

PAULUS was making arrangements that morning from his cell phone

MOJ Rudy Croes has openly accussed VDStraten of having inappropriate phone contacts during the first week of the investigation. Paulus now says he talked to VDStraten almost every day. If they talked on monday that would look bad, very bad for ALE.

[robots]

PAULUS was making arrangements that morning from his cell phone

MOJ Rudy Croes has openly accussed VDStraten of having inappropriate phone contacts during the first week of the investigation. Paulus now says he talked to VDStraten almost every day. If they talked on monday that would look bad, very bad for ALE.

yep

[San]

PAULUS was making arrangements that morning from his cell phone

MOJ Rudy Croes has openly accussed VDStraten of having inappropriate phone contacts during the first week of the investigation. Paulus now says he talked to VDStraten almost every day. If they talked on monday that would look bad, very bad for ALE.

VDStraten should be in jail.

[Kat_Gram]

Didn't Charlie crazy as a sh*t house rat Croes listen to the call ?

[Grande]

Agreed Big Hammer, at some point she was abducted.   My belief is that she likely knew she was not in good hands shortly after leaving the bar.   Deepak clearly remembers the exchange between Natalee and the other MB'ers after leaving.  He even went as far as saying he suggested that Natalee get out and 'go with her friends' after being summoned by the male MB student.  To me this suggests guilt, and also suggests Deepak knew of the impending crimes that would be committed.  

Secondly, the porn video?  This is a glimpse into the mind of predators in my opinion.  Only predators would display pornographic materials to a complete stranger that they had met only hours before and in K2's case, only a half hour before, yet they had the notion to play a porn video for their overseas GUEST?  I think not!  A more likely scenario is that they KNEW Natalee would not be in a position to pass judgement on them or they simply did not care.  This clearly is a contradiction to Deepak's previous 'go with your friends' gesture.  At what point in the ride did the Natalee's freedom become compromised?  BEFORE DEEPAK URINATED?  Perhaps shortly after showing the porno, and likely around the same time Natalee became concerned about her security and well being?  

On more than one occasion Deepak stated he stopped at the end of the asphalt at Arashi Beach and urinated.  Pretty detailed description of a piss break, huh?  Charles Croes went to ARASHI to locate one of Joran's associates.  WHY ARASHI?  Did Joran frequent Arashi Beach?  Was there a Soul Beach Music Festival after hours party there?  If Natalee was aware of the imminent danger before they arrived at Arashi Beach then wouldn't this be the likely location of her attempted escape if that occurred?

[klaasend]

So I guess we are back to the "there was NO call" theory again? Which is it? Call or no call?  I think a call happened...

I don't think we know anything for sure.  I am inclined to believe that there was a call recieved on Williams cellphone, a message left, that some people think was Natalee.

[Grande]

Didn't Charlie crazy as a sh*t house rat Croes listen to the call ?

Yes he did.

[Grande]

Didn't Charlie crazy as a sh*t house rat Croes listen to the call ?

Yes he did.

It was reported there was a male sinister voice overheard saying "ARE YOU CALLING HOME?"