Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[crazymom]

Sunfreak Let' s start the thread tomorrow.  I am full of cold meds and seeing double, lol.

CRAZYMOM,
That is just dreadful.  Have you brought this to Red's attention.  I am sorry I haven't checked the other threads in a few days.  There are so many sad and violent things happening and I will tell you that it is not always but last time I looked at the Detp of Justice stats it was something like 400 to one men being violent to women, not even counting the child like in this instance.  No wonder we have a violence against women's act and sure think we need to add children to that.  Many states are really cracking down on those who harm children while other states seem to look the other way so maybe it needs federal enforcement behind it.

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I have been given permission from the family to start a thread here regarding this case.  It is another sad case.  Basically the stepdad started abusing her when she was 9 months old.  The coroners report is stating blunt force trauma to the abdomin resulting in 3 tears in her small intestine then basically watched her die and then called 911.  The BIG problem is the 4 year old sister stated she witnessed the stepdad kick the baby in the stomache.  It is truly a good ole boy system we are talking about and the GAL states the girls are not in danger.  

Anyway,  the family is trying to get national exposure to get these girls out of harms way.

Thanks for listening.

Good Night.

[blah]

Buckeye, according to witnesses, Joran loses money at the casino, but according to Paulus he wins money and gives it to Paulus to deposit.  This is a game Paulus and Joran play at the casino.  Play and lose, play and win, it doesn't matter because Paulus will make his large cash deposits the next day, regardless.

there was a statement by one of the MB students that "they were watching Joran play blackjack because he was gambeling LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY."

what large amounts equals, I do not know.

[blah]

MF at RU just brought up something interresting.  IF there was a phone call from Natalee saying "I don't know these people", where was it made from?

MF wrote:

I also read that they heard waves crashing in the background, no house near the Mariott area is that close to hear those waves that do not crash at that beach.

Regarding Andre, I guess we should wait for PV's if they have this, to read about it. That they do not have it, does not mean that it does not exist, they only have I might guess, about 10% of the pages in the investigation....


I wonder if the Gottenbos home is close enough to the beach to hear the waves crashing?

We have a PV from Andre...what's this about??

Well, if the wave bit is accurate...you could certainly hear them on a boat...

Someone was speculating that the call might have been made from Andre Dos Santos home which is near the Marriott.  MF is saying that there are no homes near the Marriott close enough to hear the waves.

what a load.  In the middle of the night when there is no background/traffic noise, you can hear waves crashing for a long ways.  We have any monkeys that live on or near the beach?

[justinsmama]

So according to this interview Steve gave, Steve is incredibly stupid and Deepak is very smart  

Yeah, like Dumb and Dumber.

[justinsmama]

FROM THE MAIDS STATEMENT:

Amanda Yamileth GRUESO PORTOCARRERO,

born at Narino in Columbia on August 5,1976, of profession living maid (servant) and living Monserat xxxxxxxxx on Aruba. The woman A.Y.GRUESO PORTOCARRERO aforementioned explained:

- that she knows nothing of an illegal Colombian maid (servant) working at the VDS house.

- that nobody told her that a maid said that she saw, in the early morning hours of Monday, May 30, 2005 clothing of Joran Van Der Sloot’s with white sand on/under them.

It is not unusual to see sand on a persons clothing who lives on an island like Aruba.  What this other maid really saw was blood all over Joran pants.  I am convinced there is another maid.  The usual maids hours were like the rest of her hours.  Did the Van der Sloots call a friends maid to come and help them in the morning because they couldn't get in contact with their usual maid.  Paulus wouldn't know her telephone number to get in contact with her and now the clock is running and they need help cleaning up the place.  Which friend volunteered  their maid.

If so, then just how stupid is that? A horrific crime is committed, so involve your maid and/or call up Merry Maids to come help clean up the mess? How much collusion and/or arrogance would it involve to add yet another witness to one's wrongdoing?

[justinsmama]

So is de Vries why Joran is JORAN.ANGRY! and locked his MySpace?  Does he know is exposure is at hand? Seems Peter de Vries is a national icon in this field.  I hope I am not getting my hopes up for nothing.  AGAIN.  

J2K will have a hearing on Nov 1 to be released as suspects.  DeVries show is around our TG. If J2K are dismissed what good will the show do?

It will be the same either way if they are still suspects or if they are released as they can be brought right back if there is new evidence discoverd.  But this program is in no way connected to the official court.  I am just hoping that the popularity of the show, etc. will cause the Dutch or Interpol or both to delve into the corruption and cover up.  Really, the only way we could get more information might be to break the cover.Sunfreak, your earlier theory of what happened that night is a good one and in my opinion entirely possible. Just don't know what to think any more.

Even if it does not bring those authorities to look into it, hopefully it will be the start of making the entire kingdom aware of what the Slootys have done, thus warning their public of them. Pariahs in their own backyard.

[LilPuma]

Do not get me wrong
~  there are people of Aurba that care..and want the TRUTH to come forward.  We need to find a way to help that happen.


Oldfart

You're a smart monkey.  

[LilPuma]

I always wanted to know what Wonder Woman's connection to this case is.  I suspect if we could unravel that mystery, we could unravel a lot.  She was a paid liar's liar, no doubt, but it might solve this whole case if we could figure out who and what she was other than a crooked snake.

WonderWoman lives/lived in Chicago.  Could she have connections to Posner?

Huh?  Wha?

     

[justinsmama]

JULIAR
New name fits

Muhahaha!

I'm reading back. Can y'all tell?  

[blah]

New postcard for Aruba:

maybe we could send a toilet to the ATA.  We could write TOURISM in the bowl, along with a little letter letting them know we are still here.  Think Jossey would cover it?  I'll pitch in.

[Bearlyhere]

Good morning Monkeys!

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[San]

FROM THE MAIDS STATEMENT:

Amanda Yamileth GRUESO PORTOCARRERO,

born at Narino in Columbia on August 5,1976, of profession living maid (servant) and living Monserat xxxxxxxxx on Aruba. The woman A.Y.GRUESO PORTOCARRERO aforementioned explained:

- that she knows nothing of an illegal Colombian maid (servant) working at the VDS house.

- that nobody told her that a maid said that she saw, in the early morning hours of Monday, May 30, 2005 clothing of Joran Van Der Sloot’s with white sand on/under them.

It is not unusual to see sand on a persons clothing who lives on an island like Aruba.  What this other maid really saw was blood all over Joran pants.  I am convinced there is another maid.  The usual maids hours were like the rest of her hours.  Did the Van der Sloots call a friends maid to come and help them in the morning because they couldn't get in contact with their usual maid.  Paulus wouldn't know her telephone number to get in contact with her and now the clock is running and they need help cleaning up the place.  Which friend volunteered  their maid.

If so, then just how stupid is that? A horrific crime is committed, so involve your maid and/or call up Merry Maids to come help clean up the mess? How much collusion and/or arrogance would it involve to add yet another witness to one's wrongdoing?

No I didn't say call up Merri Maids.  They either had another maid or someone they know very well had their maid come over thinking it was just another job.  She did her usual cleaning (wash clothes, sheets, etc) and found Joran pants with blood on them.  At the time she probably thought nothing of it because Joran is a boy and she probably figured he got into a fight or something else.  When news got out about who was involved she but two and two together and figured that Joran did something bad to Natalee.  This is not unusual.  On that POS island it is pretty easy to make someone shut up we have been watching them do it for more than a year and a half now.

SO I'M STICKING WITH THERE WAS BLOOD ON JORAN'S PANTS.

[klaasend]

Posted by Viet Vet on the front page:

I would guess the van der Sloots and Kalpoes are not safe in Aruba. If I were a native Aruban, I would want to void our island of the guys who are bringing us down. There are nearly 100,000 people down there, and eventually some of them are going to look very hard on the PJ2K gang. Sleep well PJ2K, someone in your neighborhood may be watching and waiting. In the mean time, we in the USA will continue to boycott,block, and do whatever we can to bring down the corrupt govenment in Aruba.

[Chicago_510]

Remember Ernie Rizzo?  The PI from Chicago that was supposedly looking into things in Aruba.  I just heard that he died.  I'll try to see if I can get more info.  I think it was natural causes.

[klaasend]

Remember Ernie Rizzo?  The PI from Chicago that was supposedly looking into things in Aruba.  I just heard that he died.  I'll try to see if I can get more info.  I think it was natural causes.

http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=5578600

Famed private investigator Ernie Rizzo dead at 64
CHICAGO Larger than life private investigator Ernie Rizzo is dead.

The 64-year-old Rizzo died yesterday of a torn aorta at Chicago's Northwestern Memorial Hospital.

Rizzo was known for his ingenious investigations and flamboyant style. He had been described by the media as "America's Number One Private Eye."

Rizzo is perhaps best remembered for his work on the Michael Jackson and O-J Simpson cases.

Rizzo is survived by his wife, Geraldine, a son and a daughter

[Chicago_510]

Here's some more info about Rizzo.  Its a video clip from the news.  They said it was an Aortic Disection (spelling?) and he died at the hospital.  The video covers a few of the cases he worked on.

http://www.nbc5.com/video/10141158/index.html

[klaasend]

Need to get ready for class - see you all this afternoon!

[San]

Need to get ready for class - see you all this afternoon!

Have a good day Klaas.

[Kimmy53]

Here's some more info about Rizzo.  Its a video clip from the news.  They said it was an Aortic Disection (spelling?) and he died at the hospital.  The video covers a few of the cases he worked on.

http://www.nbc5.com/video/10141158/index.html

If I am not mistaken, this is the same thing that happened to John Ritter.. Very Sad

Good Morning Monkeys!

Klaas - have a great day in class!