Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[Kat_Gram]

Does anyone have the Jerry Strawberry / Beach assailant comparison photo readily accessible?

Thanks in advance,
Grande

Grande - If no one else has responded (and I know it's Klaas Class time    ), a comparison is here:
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy

Future reference, it's included in the Murder & Crime thread summary, as part of the Tracey Allen incident.

Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

[Grande]

Does anyone have the Jerry Strawberry / Beach assailant comparison photo readily accessible?

Thanks in advance,
Grande

Grande - If no one else has responded (and I know it's Klaas Class time    ), a comparison is here:
http://tinyurl.com/r84vy

Future reference, it's included in the Murder & Crime thread summary, as part of the Tracey Allen incident.

Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

my pleasure.

[sharon]

Grande, Hammer, et al -- more proof (imo) of the 'damage control' to prevent a kidnapping charge.


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=213

One of the boys responded and walked towards us. I hear the boy say: " What are you doing there. Are you crazy, get out of the car."(loosely translated: What are you doing. Are you nuts/crazy. Get out of that car).

She didn't want to get out. I hadn't responded to it. I kept on driving at walking pace and stopped my car at the zebra crossing. I had done this because I thought it would be better if she went with her friends. To prevent problems because her friends clearly didn't want her coming with us. To your question as to what I mean by problems, I can state the following. The kind of problem that I have now gotten into. People would think that she would have gone with us against her will.

[Leslie]

Mrs Red:  You might use this handy online parcel tracking site:
http://www.track-trace.com/

[Anna]

[Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

Well I don't see many of the attributes of Down's Syndrome in his features.  If he is able to function on the level to go to bars and get rip roaring drunk, he is also able to know basic right from wrong.  He would know hurting people and making them scream and cry is WRONG!

IF he truly suffers from Down's Syndrome, he should NOT be allowed to go out and get drunk as Down's Syndrome would lower his self control.  An adult male past puberty is likely to act on those instincts in a combination of Downs and alcohol.

Even with Downs Syndrome he is smarter than the idiots who allow him to do this.  In my opinion as a nurse, no one with Downs should be drinking at all.  Sunfreak, what do you think?  We have a bunch of other nurses on here as well.  Were you not taught Downs have lower control so alcohol could well put him out of control??  

JMO but think others will support this.  AND he knows it is wrong to hurt somebody if he has the ability to drive, etc.  Very high functioning for Downs Syndrome.  I sure hope he does not drive after a big night at Carlos and Charlies.  And I have seen him taking the photographs in another photograph.  

So I may well continue to say things about him for I believe he would know making a woman scream is very wrong just the same as anybody else.

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[2NJSons_Mom]

Grande, Hammer, et al -- more proof (imo) of the 'damage control' to prevent a kidnapping charge.


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=213

One of the boys responded and walked towards us. I hear the boy say: " What are you doing there. Are you crazy, get out of the car."(loosely translated: What are you doing. Are you nuts/crazy. Get out of that car).

She didn't want to get out. I hadn't responded to it. I kept on driving at walking pace and stopped my car at the zebra crossing. I had done this because I thought it would be better if she went with her friends. To prevent problems because her friends clearly didn't want her coming with us. To your question as to what I mean by problems, I can state the following. The kind of problem that I have now gotten into. People would think that she would have gone with us against her will.

Yes, this was from Deepak's 6/9/05 statement, HI drop off story still in place, and following Beth, Jug & company's arrival and the suggestion that Natalee had been kidnapped, taken against her will.

Good find, Sharon.

[Anna]

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Anna, is it confirmed that Joran had black pants on.  Also, if they are black you can still see blood.  Especially if they were washed a few times and were faded a little.  These kids today wear all kinds of black pants especially the ones that are faded a little.[/quote]

San,
Yes, I believe Joran said in one of his statements he was wearing black pants.  You are right for some of the black is so faded especially in all cotton as to be very light in color.  I did not mean she could not tell it was there for the blood would dry stiff as a board if there was a lot of it.  Just thinking out loud more along the lines that Paulus or even Joran might not notice it so much or might think the maid would not on the black pants.

Not feeling the best and too lazy to type!  But I do agree with you on this and also think sand on a sandy island would not be worth mentioning.  We have a great deal of sand in our soil oddly enough here this far inland and it is just taken for granted.  Don't think anybody would say sand on pants as if they are dirty it is more or less to be expected.  But some of the best watermelons in the world are grown here.  The sand Scratches the heck out of hardwood floors, too, BTW.

[LilPuma]

The Words of Joran van der Sloot

And this a case in point: I have always believed that jvds really did say: "SHE'S HAD ENOUGH" -- but I don't think it had anything to do with the porn.

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I couldn't agree more.  Creeps me out.  

[blah]

[Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

Well I don't see many of the attributes of Down's Syndrome in his features.  If he is able to function on the level to go to bars and get rip roaring drunk, he is also able to know basic right from wrong.  He would know hurting people and making them scream and cry is WRONG!

IF he truly suffers from Down's Syndrome, he should NOT be allowed to go out and get drunk as Down's Syndrome would lower his self control.  An adult male past puberty is likely to act on those instincts in a combination of Downs and alcohol.

Even with Downs Syndrome he is smarter than the idiots who allow him to do this.  In my opinion as a nurse, no one with Downs should be drinking at all.  Sunfreak, what do you think?  We have a bunch of other nurses on here as well.  Were you not taught Downs have lower control so alcohol could well put him out of control??  

JMO but think others will support this.  AND he knows it is wrong to hurt somebody if he has the ability to drive, etc.  Very high functioning for Downs Syndrome.  I sure hope he does not drive after a big night at Carlos and Charlies.  And I have seen him taking the photographs in another photograph.  

So I may well continue to say things about him for I believe he would know making a woman scream is very wrong just the same as anybody else.

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In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

[Windsor]

hi everyone --

was it ever confirmed that Paulus owns condo/s near the Racquet Club?  If so, how close to Arashi Beach would this be?  My initial instinct was that they had a "studio" set up there.

[Kat_Gram]

[Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

Well I don't see many of the attributes of Down's Syndrome in his features.  If he is able to function on the level to go to bars and get rip roaring drunk, he is also able to know basic right from wrong.  He would know hurting people and making them scream and cry is WRONG!

IF he truly suffers from Down's Syndrome, he should NOT be allowed to go out and get drunk as Down's Syndrome would lower his self control.  An adult male past puberty is likely to act on those instincts in a combination of Downs and alcohol.

Even with Downs Syndrome he is smarter than the idiots who allow him to do this.  In my opinion as a nurse, no one with Downs should be drinking at all.  Sunfreak, what do you think?  We have a bunch of other nurses on here as well.  Were you not taught Downs have lower control so alcohol could well put him out of control??  

JMO but think others will support this.  AND he knows it is wrong to hurt somebody if he has the ability to drive, etc.  Very high functioning for Downs Syndrome.  I sure hope he does not drive after a big night at Carlos and Charlies.  And I have seen him taking the photographs in another photograph.  

So I may well continue to say things about him for I believe he would know making a woman scream is very wrong just the same as anybody else.

.

In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

[/b]
Cheremy, what did HE do ?
Thought the suspects were Joran Deepak, Satish and Paulus.

[blah]

[Ah thank you Msmarple as always.

Cheremy Croes is no relation to Steve.  They are as you know very good friends.  Cheremy has Downs Syndrome. With regards to the Tracy Allen incident;  Cheremy/Jerry drives a "very very small car" I was told.  Trying to find out what make and model.

TY for that. I did not know and will never make fun of him again.

Well I don't see many of the attributes of Down's Syndrome in his features.  If he is able to function on the level to go to bars and get rip roaring drunk, he is also able to know basic right from wrong.  He would know hurting people and making them scream and cry is WRONG!

IF he truly suffers from Down's Syndrome, he should NOT be allowed to go out and get drunk as Down's Syndrome would lower his self control.  An adult male past puberty is likely to act on those instincts in a combination of Downs and alcohol.

Even with Downs Syndrome he is smarter than the idiots who allow him to do this.  In my opinion as a nurse, no one with Downs should be drinking at all.  Sunfreak, what do you think?  We have a bunch of other nurses on here as well.  Were you not taught Downs have lower control so alcohol could well put him out of control??  

JMO but think others will support this.  AND he knows it is wrong to hurt somebody if he has the ability to drive, etc.  Very high functioning for Downs Syndrome.  I sure hope he does not drive after a big night at Carlos and Charlies.  And I have seen him taking the photographs in another photograph.  

So I may well continue to say things about him for I believe he would know making a woman scream is very wrong just the same as anybody else.

.

In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

[/b]
Cheremy, what did HE do ?
Thought the suspects were Joran Deepak, Satish and Paulus.

he matches the description of a man a woman reported tried to rape her

[Grande]

hi everyone --

was it ever confirmed that Paulus owns condo/s near the Racquet Club?  If so, how close to Arashi Beach would this be?  My initial instinct was that they had a "studio" set up there.

No confirmation, in fact it is likely not to be credible.  I had someone look at the owners list, past and current    That's all I can really say at this point.

[Kat_Gram]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

[Windsor]

hi everyone --

was it ever confirmed that Paulus owns condo/s near the Racquet Club?  If so, how close to Arashi Beach would this be?  My initial instinct was that they had a "studio" set up there.

No confirmation, in fact it is likely not to be credible.  I had someone look at the owners list, past and current    That's all I can really say at this point.

ok; thanks

[sharon]

Yes, this was from Deepak's 6/9/05 statement, HI drop off story still in place, and following Beth, Jug & company's arrival and the suggestion that Natalee had been kidnapped, taken against her will.

Good find, Sharon.

 

There are certain statements that just stick in my mind. This was one of them.

However, I'm ALWAYS thrilled when I can find what I'm looking for. That doesn't happen too often  

[Grande]

Cheremy is Steve Croes' best friend and coincidentally looks very similar to the physical description Tracy Allen provided of her assailant near the fishermen's huts only days prior to Natalee's trip/disappearance > http://i13.tinypic.com/339ub11.jpg

[Grande]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

I don't know that she has seen the comparison of the sketch and Cheremy.  I will attempt to get an id from her, given I can track her down.   Good thought Kat!

[blah]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

not that we are aware of, that is why we are keeping the pressure on, trying to get some response.

[Anna]

The Words of Joran van der Sloot

And this a case in point: I have always believed that jvds really did say: "SHE'S HAD ENOUGH" -- but I don't think it had anything to do with the porn.

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I couldn't agree more.  Creeps me out.  

Those are very odd words to use in reference to porn.  I would think it would be apparent if it were the porn.  However, this does seem to be a sort of place where things go wrong.  Something happened to alter their routine and they had to turn off the porn.  I think Joran was talking about the effects of the drug they had given her.

So if it was the porn about which he was speaking, I would think it meant Natalee started to try to get away from them or fighting Joran in some way.  

I would venture to say she had never seen anything like what they were watching for I had not until I started research for this disappearance.  Sure, I knew it existed and imagined what it would be and pretty accurately.  It's not rocket science.  I know people who watch porn and have heard them discuss it and have even been at a party where people were watching it but I would not as I find it offensive and degrading always to females.  It disgusts me far more than anything and is the biggest turn off I have ever encountered while doing searches for how it works.  Some things are not spectator sports and it makes me literally want to barf.  If she was alert enough to realize what she was seeing I am pretty sure she was just stunned.

She was only 18 and remember Beth telling Dr. Schuller Natalee was the only one to do all the Bible verses.  I think if she encountered it before she would have left the room or just not watched it at all.  It does not have the same effect on females that it does on males, that's for sure.  Make that SOME MALES before I get flamed too badly.

After delving into the BackSeatBangers and such I HATE porn.  It is a form of slavery of women.  I wish it were ALL illegal.  It saddens me to know what a huge industry it is and all the activity in that area.  I was stunned and I am older than dirt.  She was just a kid.