Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006

[Anna]

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In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

Well, Blah, I never encountered this either.  I don't know of one soul who suffers this that is allowed to drink and cavort around like this.  It's like a train with no brakes.  He could do other things as well such as start fights, steal, just anything that runs through his mind and he would not have the resources to control himself drunk.  Most people with Downs lead a very very structured and regimented lifestyle.

This is not right and whomever is responsible for him should be charged with negligence.  Oh, right!  That would require a police force and prosecution, things that seem totally lacking on One Crappy Island.

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[Carnut]

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In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

Well, Blah, I never encountered this either.  I don't know of one soul who suffers this that is allowed to drink and cavort around like this.  It's like a train with no brakes.  He could do other things as well such as start fights, steal, just anything that runs through his mind and he would not have the resources to control himself drunk.  Most people with Downs lead a very very structured and regimented lifestyle.

This is not right and whomever is responsible for him should be charged with negligence.  Oh, right!  That would require a police force and prosecution, things that seem totally lacking on One Crappy Island.

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The guy may be +++++++ or developmentally disabled, but he definitely dosen't exhibit any of the physical characteristics of Downs and from the photo's of his activities he dosen't seem to be exhibiting the behaviors of one with Downs.

[blah]

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In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

Well, Blah, I never encountered this either.  I don't know of one soul who suffers this that is allowed to drink and cavort around like this.  It's like a train with no brakes.  He could do other things as well such as start fights, steal, just anything that runs through his mind and he would not have the resources to control himself drunk.  Most people with Downs lead a very very structured and regimented lifestyle.

This is not right and whomever is responsible for him should be charged with negligence.  Oh, right!  That would require a police force and prosecution, things that seem totally lacking on One Crappy Island.

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I know someone who has a child (late teen) with Downs Syndrome.  Although this case may be a bit more severe than that of the pimp, i cannot fathom the parents every allowing this behavior.

The only possible explanation is that the parents of this Cheremy must also run around that island drunk and high all the time themselves and are just too wasted to have any sort of responsibility for their child.

how sickening.

[Anna]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

not that we are aware of, that is why we are keeping the pressure on, trying to get some response.

For one thing he hangs out in bars with very sleazy people wearing T Shirts with obscenities on them.  He seems to be loosely connected to the PIMP gang or possibly a member.  At least he is in lots of photographs with them.  I don't think anybody said he DID anything but would like for Tracy Allen to at least see his photograph.  We are wondering if ALE has done anything on her case and think probably not because they really don't care if they can't pin Natalee's disappearance on him.  Maybe discussing him, it will get back to them that people are wondering why their inaction and lack of follow up on her case.

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[Florida]

THE BIG STORY   3/12/06
Woman comes forward with story that she was accosted in Aruba just days before Natalee went missing.
 Tracy Allen: Has a timeshare by the Marriott Hotel.

I was walking towards the huts, I noticed a car running, with lights on, and as I was walking, I thought it might he one of the fisherman's cars.
As I walked to wind surfing shop, a man got out of his car and prevented me from going back to the beach. Wearing just a shirt. He said I am not going to hurt you, and then he started to back me towards his car, and tried to get me in his car. The fisherman were about 30 ft away. It was about 6:30 am in the moring. I knew they could see us, there would have had to been a struggle for him to get me in his car.

Did your report this?
I did report it to police right away, this happened for about 4 minutes, he got agiated and threatenend me. I ran back to the hotel. They called the police. They sent one detective. So far the police have not contacted me and I got information  from Tim Miller saying this man has been spotted and they turned his name over to the authorities. He is dangerous, still out there and he will probably assault other people.

CHEREMY CROES aka JERRY STRAWBERRY
JERRY's MySpace Details  
Status: Single
Here for: Networking, Friends
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: Aruba
Ethnicity: Pacific Islander
Religion: Catholic
Zodiac Sign: Taurus
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Children: Someday
Occupation: GOT MY OWN ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS
 

Didn't the MB students mention a short, Hawaiian-looking guy talking to Joran at the Excelsior Casino on Sunday?

Latest MySpace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=17914351

TRACY ALLEN'S DESCRIPTION:
About 25 years old
Dark complexion
Round face
Short black hair
5'7" to 5'9" tall
Glasses with metal frame

DRIVING A LATE MODEL CAR
(Didn't she say an older model white, Suzuki?)

Weeks later, Dave is on the beach in that area & sees a guy matching  this description driving off...Dave gives the license plate number to ALE...He never hears a thing!  

I had thought this pic may have been taken as they all left C&C for the night...Steve in the BLACK vehicle & Jerry in the small WHITE one. It just as well could be from the Malmok or Arashi Beach parking area behind the huts/thatch cabanas.......

[Grande]

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In Aruba, it is perfectly normal to have liquored up Downs Syndrome people running around raping and killing.  Why do you think they call it one happy island?

Well, Blah, I never encountered this either.  I don't know of one soul who suffers this that is allowed to drink and cavort around like this.  It's like a train with no brakes.  He could do other things as well such as start fights, steal, just anything that runs through his mind and he would not have the resources to control himself drunk.  Most people with Downs lead a very very structured and regimented lifestyle.

This is not right and whomever is responsible for him should be charged with negligence.  Oh, right!  That would require a police force and prosecution, things that seem totally lacking on One Crappy Island.

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The guy may be +++++++ or developmentally disabled, but he definitely dosen't exhibit any of the physical characteristics of Downs and from the photo's of his activities he dosen't seem to be exhibiting the behaviors of one with Downs.

This is really not up for debate as far as I am concerned.  It has no bearing on this case.  I can tell you that I did not just throw that fact in the discussion without a reasonable explanation and the necessary due diligence to prove that fact.  I will not go any further and no offense intended.

[blah]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

not that we are aware of, that is why we are keeping the pressure on, trying to get some response.

For one thing he hangs out in bars with very sleazy people wearing T Shirts with obscenities on them.  He seems to be loosely connected to the PIMP gang or possibly a member.  At least he is in lots of photographs with them.  I don't think anybody said he DID anything but would like for Tracy Allen to at least see his photograph.  We are wondering if ALE has done anything on her case and think probably not because they really don't care if they can't pin Natalee's disappearance on him.  Maybe discussing him, it will get back to them that people are wondering why their inaction and lack of follow up on her case.

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The ALE will not do anything with this case as they are trying to use it as a "decoy" to draw attention away from Joran.  They are trying to use this case to sort of say "look we investigated this and found out that it has been reported that there is some OTHER criminal in the area Natalee was dropped off by Joran who was giving a woman a hard time, trying to kidnap and or rape her around the same time Natalee went missing"

They are trying to get all the mileage they can out of this, therefore we can hand them this guy on a silver platter and they will not investigate.  Sound familiar?

[msmarple]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

I don't know that she has seen the comparison of the sketch and Cheremy.  I will attempt to get an id from her, given I can track her down.   Good thought Kat!

I can personally guarantee that the FBI has seen our comparison of a photo and the composite sketch. Within the last month or so.

[Anna]

Grande,
Not questioning you or your due diligence.  Just saying he should not be drinking if that's the case.  Dangerous.  Sorry if it sounded like I was doubting you.  I'm not but then again I don't want to vacation where those with this kind of disability are rip roaring drunk all the time.    

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[klaasend]

I knew that he matched a description, but, had the lady who had the contact with him, did she make an id ?

I don't know that she has seen the comparison of the sketch and Cheremy.  I will attempt to get an id from her, given I can track her down.   Good thought Kat!

See my theory is that the sketch is pure BS.  They probably had Cheremy come in and model for the sketch.  It would be nice to find out from that lady if the sketch matches the person who attacked her.

[Anna]

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I believe it was last Friday MF was posting on FOB that tourism figures were UP for the month of September.  He cited a bit of an article in Dairio so I am wondering if anyone knows anything about that and if it is true or not.

That would be disappointing.  

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[Anna]

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Does anyone remember Scubajap used to post about somebody who hung around the fisherman's huts and had been arrested six times for accosting women?  I thought she meant Leon von Loon at the time but now wonder if it could be Jerry Strawberry instead.  She said they were arrested two weeks before Natalee disappeared.  Then she got mad when we asked why so many arrests and no convictions, etc. so don't know who it was or if this is the same incident anything else.

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[msmarple]

I don't mean to keep reiterating this, but Klaas (and others) - from the sound of this interview, it is the FBI that did the composite, in December 2005. (Of course I could be reading it wrong.)

I would be shocked    beyond recognition if ALE went to the trouble of getting a composite sketch from her when she initially reported it. (After all, she was "only assaulted" ... )

http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l --

Rita: You go to the aruban authorities and you don't get any calls back from ALE?

Tracy: No, first time I was contacted the FBI took my statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 when I did the sketch

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

Tracy: I believe he was local, he had an older car, not like a newer rental car that a tourist would have.

AND - re. Down Syndrome - the effects can be quite mild to quite severe.

[klaasend]

I don't mean to keep reiterating this, but Klaas (and others) - from the sound of this interview, it is the FBI that did the composite, in December 2005. (Of course I could be reading it wrong.)

I would be shocked    beyond recognition if ALE went to the trouble of getting a composite sketch from her when she initially reported it. (After all, she was "only assaulted" ... )

http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l --

Rita: You go to the aruban authorities and you don't get any calls back from ALE?

Tracy: No, first time I was contacted the FBI took my statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 when I did the sketch

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

Tracy: I believe he was local, he had an older car, not like a newer rental car that a tourist would have.

AND - re. Down Syndrome - the effects can be quite mild to quite severe.

Ok, so the sketch may have been done by the FBI and it is a sketch of the person who attacked her.  Gee, wonder why Cheremy hasn't been brought in for questioning?  

[nonesuche]

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

see, I find that clumsy in it's wording but in context it does appear the FBI executed it?

If so I'm with you Klaas, why no interrogation of him?

oh I found you another tool Klaas

oh and this one is for when renfro is on MSM

[Mere]

From Hammer's post:  "SHE'S HAD ENOUGH" -- but I don't think it had anything to do with the porn."

I don't either.....I wonder if it had something to do with additional drugs they administered in the car....perhaps something on a cloth that was held over her face.....or if it had to do with whatever forced sexual activities were occurring....

[klaasend]

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

see, I find that clumsy in it's wording but in context it does appear the FBI executed it?

If so I'm with you Klaas, why no interrogation of him?

oh I found you another tool Klaas

oh and this one is for when renfro is on MSM

That teaching one is cool, thanks!.  Hard to see the other one..is that a gas mask, lol  

[nonesuche]

yep a gas mask  

[nonesuche]

From Hammer's post:  "SHE'S HAD ENOUGH" -- but I don't think it had anything to do with the porn."

I don't either.....I wonder if it had something to do with additional drugs they administered in the car....perhaps something on a cloth that was held over her face.....or if it had to do with whatever forced sexual activities were occurring....

I agree MeMere which makes me wonder sadly, what she endured? Was she in pain?

[SunFreak2]

AND - re. Down Syndrome - the effects can be quite mild to quite severe.

You are so right Ms Marple.  But Jerry doesn't display any of the characteristic facies of a Down's person.  Whether Grande has seen Jerry's medical records confirming Down's, I have no idea.  Anyway, Jerry doesn't seem to play any part in this case except as a peripheral player who frequents CnC's and is friends with Steve Croes.

Is it possible to view the archives on the CoolAruba photos from May 27 & May 29, 2005?

Klaas - I took the liberty of posting the email addresses of the media & authorities in a new thread.

Oh and a good day to all you beautiful monkeys.  Lots of stimulating thoughts the last couple of days.  I've been cleaning house & lurking today.